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as we sit on the message boards, we see other teams taking key FA. Do you feel we're doing a favor to ourselves by waiting for the 2nd day, or is the possibility that Cleveland's just not a place FA want to go really becoming real? Even with $$$, it's doubly harder to convince players to come to our city it seems.
I know the FO knows more about the fans--but PERCEPTION is reality in many cases, and it is perceived to the fanbase the FO is being idle. Even if they have a plan...
It's not the Dolan Indians--we have capital to spend. In '94 and '02, we pushed a little, got a few FA and voila! went 11-5 and 9-7 respectively and had a great season.
It's a one-time deal this year and this year only--a lot of FA on the market, a la the USFL supplemental--moreso than most given years.
I'm worried the FO is worried about repeating 2003--we had to dump a lot of core guys and went 5-11 after a 9-7 season.
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fan pressure will never affect a good FO
also, we have to spend $$$ this year based on the new CBA
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who would we trade for?
As per signings, maybe we have our guys and we're still working through the deals. Maybe we're all waiting until Thursday, the first days these guys can sign. Maybe it is more about strategic strikes - afterall we'll all agree we need multiple players, not just a $72m DE (for example).
Patience, we can't even officially do anything yet.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are asking/saying.
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Negatron.... And you should learn social conventions and post more of your relationship woes
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They should realize they had one player who played lights out last year, amoung others, but they had one player who played lights out last year, and it was really a benefit to have the guy on the team, helped the team win.
And there's speculation he's gone, maybe already gone I don't know.
And if they don't want to enlarge the perception that they are just a minor league team, a team where players at the end of their careers , or who are not good enough to make it on a bigger better team ( young guys trying to audition for a call up to the majors)
You know, just like a minor league baseball team.
If you play lights out on the Browns you leave, period.
If you are old and have only a couple years left you join the Browns .
The player this year is Lawrence Vickers, if the FO wants to do anything because of Fan pressure.
They ought to wise up and keep a core of good or decent players who show some initiative and have some incentive to prove something on the field.
Wise up and KNOW that players like Jerome Harrison, Lawrence Vickers, Shaun Jones, Shawn Smith, Braylon Edwards, and others, players who were originally picked or joined the Browns as their first NFL team, You just don't let your own guys go in their prime!
You don't let your own guys go in their prime!
Because if you do you are just like a minor league baseball team.
And if You DO let your own guys go in their prime,
Your supposed to do it because you have somebody better PROVEN!!! who has beaten them out for their spot.
Not another Question mark unknown speculative possible might work out player who you hope in but has no experience.
Because OOPS those guys only work out half the time at best!!!!!!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Should the FO feel fan pressure? I don't know, are fans putting pressure on the FO? If the fans are, then yes, the FO feels pressure to make a blockbuster trade. If the fans arent, then the FO doesnt.
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Wise up and KNOW that players like Jerome Harrison, Lawrence Vickers, Shaun Jones, Shawn Smith, Braylon Edwards, and others, players who were originally picked or joined the Browns as their first NFL team, You just don't let your own guys go in their prime!
All of these guys ended up being so successful in their next stops too (besides Vickers obviously).
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Yes , I like some fans would like to see us be more proactive and not reactive to what others teams do....We have about $ 33M to spend and not being proactive in an environment in which we have had time to prepare make us look unprepared , even IF were not....Teams who act quickly to sign key impact players always come out looking like they are doing more to produce a Winner....Teams who procrastinate not so much...Just saying....However , it isn't like there aren't still players available....
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New HC
New defense
New offense
This season is not the time for blockbuster deals....it's time to see how the group we have adjusts and then evaluate our needs. We don't want to blow big bucks on a position where we have good athletes and be lacking where we don't. I don't think we'll know where our real needs are this year until we've played at least half a season.
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This season is not the time for blockbuster deals....it's time to see how the group we have adjusts and then evaluate our needs. We don't want to blow big bucks on a position where we have good athletes and be lacking where we don't. I don't think we'll know where our real needs are this year until we've played at least half a season.
I see your point, but I would like to see reinforcement on the DL, a Safety and a solid WR added... We don't have to break the bank but if there is one or two good FA's available, I don't see the harm in spending for them.
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Hi Asian. This article saves me a lot of typing, in reponse to your question: __________________________________________________ Cleveland Browns Free Agency 101: How to Build a Winning Team Wednesday, July 27, 2011 Browns.Ohio.com By Samuel Ingro Senior Writer Cleveland fans, like it or not, I do believe you are getting a lesson from the Tom Heckert "School of Team Management." For the past three months, report after report has linked Cleveland to potential free agents. From Terrell Owens to Charles Johnson, and from Sidney Rice to Ray Edwards, one by one the top players in the league were listed as thought to be landing in Cleveland. With the first day of free agency winding down, and some of the top players coming off the market, the discontent in the city affectionately known as "Believeland" has grown. Many fans believe Heckert simply is not trying hard enough, or they are just moving on to the next big name on their wish list, but the Browns general manager is not doing anything he did not promise to do. He has stated on multiple occasions that free agency is not the way to go about building a team, yet fans continue to get excited about these 27-, 28-, 29- and 30-year-old veterans. How many big name free agents have successful teams like the Patriots or Steelers signed over the years? Not many. Now think back to the Phil Savage era, he gave up Leigh Bodden and a third-round pick for nose tackle Shaun Rogers. How did that work out? The move looked good for one or two seasons, but Rogers was hampered by injuries and then released. That is what happens to a lot of older players, it's part of life, and now he has moved on and Cleveland is left to rebuild. What Heckert sees, that most fans do not, is that his franchise is not going to win the Super Bowl this season. Too much chaos has occurred to the foundation, and he knows he is in it for the long haul to restore this team to its former glory. He is not building to 'just be competitive' this year, and he is not building to 'just be competitive' next year—he is building to be a competitive team for the next decade. While attractive options now, 30-year-old veterans are not a part of that, so why break the bank to win two more games next year? Nobody remembers the runner-up, it's all about the ring. As most people know, Heckert spent the majority of his career with the Philadelphia Eagles. And for years the Eagles have been one of the youngest teams in the league, yet still competitive. How do they do that and what did they just do on the first day of 2011 free agency? They let all seven of their UFA's walk. Why pay the big money to keep players an extra three years, when you can just draft their successor for significantly less money? One of those players, 30-year-old Quintin Mikell, signed with St. Louis for $27 million over four years, while the Eagles have very little money invested into 2010 rookie safeties Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen. The Panthers just paid $72 million to keep their prized free agent Charles Johnson, a significant blow to their ability to work with the salary cap, just for a defensive end. When is the last time a defensive end led a game-winning drive? Not too often. Overpriced players are not the way to go, and Heckert knows that. Let your players play out their rookie contracts, and if you have to, franchise tag them a year until their replacement is ready. The Eagles have made a living off that, and it looks like Heckert is bringing that to Cleveland. At the time of writing, reports say the Browns signed 23 undrafted free agents, and they are bound to find a handful of good contributors in there, and maybe even a starter. Think of Peyton Hillis, a seventh-round pick, or Josh Cribbs, Evan Moore and Brian Schaefering who all went undrafted. Not to mention countless valuable players on other teams who went overlooked by scouts. If you still believe the Browns will make a huge splash in free agency, you are going to be sorely let down. When you are a Super Bowl contender, you can get away with paying a little extra to add that missing piece in free agency. For the Cleveland Browns, however, that is simply not the case and thankfully their general manager knows it. The clever phrase "In Holmgren We Trust" has been thrown around Cleveland circles, and if that is the case, is it really so hard to believe that he has picked the right man for the job? Heckert is building a winner, but remember that "Rome wasn't built in a day," because it was built the right way. http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/07/cleveland-browns-free-agency-101-how-to.html
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Great, great article. Heckert has said over and over that he isn't going to go big into free agency.
The toughest thing for Browns fans to deal with is the patience required as he installs his long term plan to bring a winner to Cleveland. We have heard from regime after regime after regime how they had a grand plan only to be left with one mess after another.
So if you believe in the Heckert way of building a team for the long term, you will suck it up and wait. He looks like he know what he's doing. However, if you want a winner NOW at all costs, then Heckert's "build through the draft" model is way too slow. It all depends on your perspective. I'm sticking with Heckert. I'd like to see the Browns turn into a force year after year.
And I believe the FO is paying zero attention to fan pressure. They've been a little too busy the last few days.
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I have no doubt that Heckert will not succumb to fan pressure. But I have a few issues with that article. Quote:
Overpriced players are not the way to go, and Heckert knows that.
The Eagles have made a living off that, and it looks like Heckert is bringing that to Cleveland.
Heckert was with the Eagles from 2001 2009. And the GM from 2006 to 2009.
In 2004 the Eagles signed Jevon Kearse to an eight-year contract worth $65 million, with a $16 million signing bonus.
Also in 2004 the Eagles traded for Terrell Owens and signed him to a contract worth $49 million for seven years, including a $10 million signing bonus.
Then in 2008 the Eagles signed Asante Samuel to a six-year, $56 million contract.
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He has stated on multiple occasions that free agency is not the way to go about building a team, yet fans continue to get excited about these 27-, 28-, 29- and 30-year-old veterans.
Kearse was 28-years-old. Owens was 31-years-old. Samuel was 27-years-old.
Also, if Heckert is building for the future, wouldn't it make sense to sign a 27-year-old as that player should still be around when the team is good? Heckert also signed some older guys last year Scott Fujita (age 31), Tony Pashos (29), and Benjamin Watson (29).
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The Panthers just paid $72 million to keep their prized free agent Charles Johnson, a significant blow to their ability to work with the salary cap, just for a defensive end.
All of that money doesn't go against this year's cap. And the Panthers had a bunch of money that they have to spend.
I like the idea of this article I just don't think the person knows what they are talking about. Heckert may have learned what to do (or what not to do) in free agency from the Eagles. But while with the Eagles they made some giant signings (and that's not even counting Michael Vick). Furthermore, if there is a 27-year-old player on the free agent market you should try and sign that player (if that player fits your team).
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fan pressure will never affect a good FO
also, we have to spend $$$ this year based on the new CBA
Has anyone seen a legit quote from the new cap in the new cba that states exactly WHEN a team needs to be at or above the cap floor???
I believe it is toward the END of the season and not PRIOR to game one...
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In my opinon right now teams are over paying for who thier signing, something there gonna have to live with in years to come, these teams are gonna be tied into XX amount of money going to players not on thier team.
We will make a move as players are cut and this over pay period starts to slow down,
Stop N think, People are getting excited over Kyle ortan, yes good QB, & often injured Reggie Bush, yes on paper a leathal team, but Kyle is average and reggie is injured.....People are getting crazy over Matt Liehart going to Houston...Good for him what has he done in the NFL...Gallary to Seattle..Raiders are excited to get ride of him & his small arms...I dont blame Heckert one bit for not over paying for average talent.
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also, we have to spend $$$ this year based on the new CBA
Has anyone seen a legit quote from the new cap in the new cba that states exactly WHEN a team needs to be at or above the cap floor???
I believe it is toward the END of the season and not PRIOR to game one...
I don't even know if it has to be this year at all. Seems some type of averaging would need to be used over a season or three.
Also, any word on what happens to a team if they don't spend the money??
Can they lose picks?? Can the players void the contract if teams don't pay the money??
What happens? There has to be a mechanism to keep the teams in compliance.
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However, remember that when the Eagles signed those "older" FAs, they were a true contender.
I don't think the author of that article would have any problem with signing a few big priced FAs if the Browns were one or two pieces away.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I like the idea of this article I just don't think the person knows what they are talking about. Heckert may have learned what to do (or what not to do) in free agency from the Eagles. But while with the Eagles they made some giant signings (and that's not even counting Michael Vick). Furthermore, if there is a 27-year-old player on the free agent market you should try and sign that player (if that player fits your team).
This.
While I cannot quarrel with what Heckert is doing until I see the results, to make a blanket statement that signing big name free agents is only for teams on the edge of a Super Bowl is just stupid. And signing no FAs can lead to 5-11 when you have a team like ours.
I hope in 3 years we'll all be planning our trips to see the Browns in the Super Bowl. I'm just not totally sold on this being the way to get there. Yet.
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Why would you want to sign a bunch of FA just to win a couple of games? Id rather go 5-11 with what we have and be able to draft in a better spot than to go 7-9 or maybe 8-8, draft lower and not have the cap room in 2-4 years to get that big name that will get us over the hump when we're contenders.
As much as I hate the Steelers, the proof is there, that we're doing it right. I do not want to be like Washington, which we were under Savage, bc in hindsight his moves looked good (or flashy) at the time, but look where it got us
It sucks not hearing any news about getting a guy we want signed, but I think this is truly the way to go.
I do think we need to resign many of our UFA though, and go after the solid, underrated, 25-27 yo players who won't break the bank, and will provide depth.
Were not going to win this year, so why mortgage the future just for an extra win or 2. Id rather see our young guys play and gain experience themselves, didn't we complain that RAC/EM never did that?
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or is the possibility that Cleveland's just not a place FA want to go really becoming real? Even with $$$, it's doubly harder to convince players to come to our city it seems.
What is it with this kinda thinking? I mean seriously,, hasn't it been made abundantly clear that Money Talks..
I'd guess that most if not all of the FA's out there would come in if we agreed to pay the freight.
As for the FO feeling pressure, sure they do, but not from the fans. The pressure they feel is to put a winner on the field. That's the pressure they should feel... As for bringing in or not making blockbuster trades, I doubt they care what you and I think....
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I know the FO knows more about the fans--but PERCEPTION is reality in many cases, and it is perceived to the fanbase the FO is being idle. Even if they have a plan...
Perception is NOT reality, if the Browns fanbase has the impression the Browns FO has been idle during the free agent period. Just because the Browns FO is not spending like crazy during the early days of the free agent period, should not be interpreted as a front office "doing nothing".
The Browns are beginning year 2 of a rebuilding process that is going to take 3 to 5 seasons. Free agents are fully aware of the Browns situation and it's completely understandable if FAs do not want to be part of "the Browns rebuilding process".
Those who are concerned that the Browns front office is missing out on all the top FA talent, might not understand exactly where the Browns are at "in the process".
Holmgren and Heckert are not feeling any pressure from those fans with "unrealistic expectations".
The Browns are not one or two players away from competing for the playoffs. It simply does not make sense for the Browns to spend big bucks on "say a FA WR", when we have young WRs who are still developing. In two years, if the Browns young WRs fail to develop, then the Browns will need to sign a FA WR.
The fact that the Browns are not participating early during this FA period, does not mean the Browns FO is not working to land some FAs in positions that make sense, based on need.
If you are a Browns fan, a couple of keys to enjoying this season will be
..."realistic expectations" based on a understanding of the Browns rebuilding process.
...and "patience" enough to give the process time to work.
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Heckert was with the Eagles from 2001 2009. And the GM from 2006 to 2009.
In 2004 the Eagles signed Jevon Kearse to an eight-year contract worth $65 million, with a $16 million signing bonus.
Also in 2004 the Eagles traded for Terrell Owens and signed him to a contract worth $49 million for seven years, including a $10 million signing bonus.
Then in 2008 the Eagles signed Asante Samuel to a six-year, $56 million contract.
He wasn't trying to build a team then. He was trying to push a pretty good team over the top.
The Eagles have won 9 or more games in 9 of the last 11 seasons...
If we had a stretch where we won 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 6, 10, 8, 9, 11, 10 games... and hadn't won a championship? Then there would be TREMENDOUS pressure to take the next step and sign the one big name to get you there.. see: Marty Schottenheimer.
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Right, but the article was stating that Heckert wouldn't spend on free agents because that's what he learned with the Eagles. But the Eagles clearly spent money, big money, on free agents while Heckert was there.
I have no issues with the signings or the reason for the signings. I have issue with a writer making up crap.
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Why would you want to sign a bunch of FA just to win a couple of games?
First, I never said a bunch of FAs. 2 or 3 guys that would help the team would be nice. Usama Young may be one of those guys. I hope so.
But to say getting no FAs is the way to go lacks imagination and shows very little knowledge of the current state of the Browns offense and defense, IMO.
But as long as you're happy..... 
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I agree, free agency has it's place and isn't out of the question for us.
But long term it has proven to be mostly fools gold....at least at the top end for teams like us who don't offer solid playoff returns for the player.
I'd like any of the top names just as you, but for this year, I;ll settle for a few younger guys we have scouted and think they can be good players in our system even if they aren't the type of player who makes you stand up and cheer when we sign them.
Who was that OT we signed from the Pack 6-7 years ago....Verba....he pretty much proves the point IMO.
Once the guy got his payday, it was over.
Some of these guys are just looking for what most of us seek.....the lotto win.
I've got my 9 mil....I'm good.
The vast majority aren't seeking to be the best player ever,
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should the FO feel fan pressure to make blockbuster trades?
Trades???? that's a big NO. Keep all draft picks. Now if you are talking FA pick ups, if they are young, good at what they do and in a position of need- i'm all for it. IF they are already on the downswing of there career- then pass on it.
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Trades???? that's a big NO. Keep all draft picks. Now if you are talking FA pick ups, if they are young, good at what they do and in a position of need- i'm all for it. IF they are already on the downswing of there career- then pass on it.
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One other thing ...... didn't the Redskins already pay Haynesworth's huge roster bonuses? (Including $21 million earlier this year)
Man ... that's a lotta cabbage to get a 5th round pick in return.
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I don't think the author of that article would have any problem with signing a few big priced FAs if the Browns were one or two pieces away.
I like to think, at this time of year at least, that the Browns are one or two;
I would Sure HOPE the team would think that the Browns are one or two pieces away. Otherwise just give it up, go play intermurals.
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I would Sure HOPE the team would think that the Browns are one or two pieces away. Otherwise just give it up, go play intermurals.
Holmgren and Heckert are more realistic than that and are not prepared to leverage the future to win 1 or 2 more games this year and for that we should be thankful. Teams that are under .500 are seldom just a couple pieces away.. One way to measure how far away you are is, what happens when you lose a key piece, like when the Patriots lost Brady a few years back and just kept winning... I am, at this point, not even sure who our key pieces are...
But speaking of free agency, I suppose its ironic that Danial Snyder owns the team in Washington because his method of running the team is.. overpay for everything, recycle old ideas rather than build new ones, sacrifice the future for short term appeasement of the fans while milking them for every dollar they have.... sounds like other people we know in Washington. 
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I do not agree perception is reality, only reality is reality yet our front office does pretend that by SOUNDING like they are making sound moves that they are behaving with diligence.
Let me review this years front office moves.
1) we fire the staff( we let Ryan Walk). there is no way i see jauron over Ryan at DC as an upgrade. Ryans defense kept us in many games when the offense was one two three punt.
2) We cut Rogers and created a hole at DT( he was signed in days with teams falling over themselves to sign him)
3) that hole necessitated we jump at Taylor when a fantastic ORT Gabe carimi was there. ( I put that under we coulda had a V8)
4) we have a solid draft( herock is light years better than the past Bozos at GM)
5) WE have holes all over at CB, FS, RB, WR, LB, DE, ORT being the most serious yet we let four year starter Eric Wright walk and sign four starts in 4 years Usama young, GULP.
6) The front Office says Hillis needs RB help yet gets him a tippy toe reciever RB ill suited to the punishing AFC North, GULP.
WE have serious Holes all over this team and have done nothing yet our front office wants you to think Nothing is a Cool Hand. What we Got here is a failure to Communicate.
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Enough with the Young and RB statements. They are false, you know it, yet keep making them.
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Enough with the Young and RB statements. They are false, you know it, yet keep making them.
LOL I see lots of people are catching up to AkronJoe..
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1) we fire the staff( we let Ryan Walk). there is no way i see jauron over Ryan at DC as an upgrade. Ryans defense kept us in many games when the offense was one two three punt.
I agree with you (which makes me think I'm wrong) that Ryan is a better defensive coordinator than Jauron. But it might be better to have everyone in the franchise on the same page than it is to have Ryan back as defensive coordinator.
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2) We cut Rogers and created a hole at DT( he was signed in days with teams falling over themselves to sign him)
Even if we kept Rogers there would be a hole at defensive tackle. A hole created by Rogers, because Rogers was out of shape and injury prone and couldn't stay on the field. Also, it's not like he got a massive contract with the Saints. He got low guaranteed money.
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3) that hole necessitated we jump at Taylor when a fantastic ORT Gabe carimi was there. ( I put that under we coulda had a V8)
Like I said before. Even if we had kept Rogers we might have drafted Taylor.
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we let four year starter Eric Wright walk and sign four starts in 4 years Usama young, GULP.
I don't know the details of Wright's deal. But is it possible Detroit just gave him a better deal? And Young will be playing safety.
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6) The front Office says Hillis needs RB help yet gets him a tippy toe reciever RB ill suited to the punishing AFC North, GULP.
If the doctors are to be believed, Hardesty is healthy. Brandon Jackson is nothing more than a running back to have in the game during passing downs. He knows the system and this role will fit his strengths.
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WE have serious Holes all over this team
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and have done nothing yet
We'll as you have stated we have signed two players. And the key word in the middle of your run-on is "yet". We haven't done anything "yet".
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Enough with the Young and RB statements. They are false, you know it, yet keep making them.
Thanks for clearing that up YOU KNOW they are false so i should pretend both are great pickups. A RB who got beat out because he could not break tackles and had a poor yards per carry average and a DB who has 4 starts in four years. Thanks I just needed your endorsement. Thanks I was not clear how great these signings really are 
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I'm not sure reply to my own post follows board etiquette ....That said , I do have to say that since my original post that my perception has been confirmed....We are Not as determined to have an impact in and improve our team as much as other teams via Free Agency....I know that we are supposed to be following the Pittsburgh Model and build through the Draft and that will take more than 1 Draft and a few years to evaluate....However , with $$ to spend IMHO we should have been able to add a few key Free Agents to upgrade our squad....So far I only see mediocre additions....
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I don't know the details of Wright's deal. But is it possible Detroit just gave him a better deal?
He took fewer years and less money to go to Detroit, because he wanted to start.
As for Brandon Jackson, I have no more faith in him than I did in Mike Bell, James Davis or Chris Jennings.
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