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I know there is a tOSU thread out there....but i feel like this desevers it's own thread since it's kind of huge when x players are coming out!

I'm actually kind of mad reading this...simply because he sound so retarded....SMH
http://www.thelantern.com/campus/ray-sma...56503?pagereq=1

Ray Small saw it all – and did most of it, too – during his four years suiting up in scarlet and gray.

Small told The Lantern on Wednesday he profited off of memorabilia while at Ohio State, adding that some student-athletes "don't even think about (NCAA) rules."

"I had sold my things but it was just for the money," Small said. "At that time in college, you're kind of struggling."

Small, who played receiver at OSU from 2006-2010, capitalized on the Buckeyes' success during his college career.

"We had four Big Ten rings," he said. "There was enough to go around."

Small said he sold the rings to cover typical costs of living.

"We have apartments, car notes," he said. "So you got things like that and you look around and you're like, ‘Well I got (four) of them, I can sell one or two and get some money to pay this rent."

The wheeling and dealing didn't stop with rings. The best deals came from car dealerships, Small said.

"It was definitely the deals on the cars. I don't see why it's a big deal," said Small, who identified Jack Maxton Chevrolet as the players' main resource.

The Columbus Dispatch reported on May 7 that OSU was investigating more than 50 transactions between OSU athletes and their families and Jack Maxton Chevrolet or Auto Direct.

Representatives for Jack Maxton Chevrolet did not return repeated requests for comment.

NCAA rules prohibit student-athletes from benefiting from the sale of their merchandise. Small said he wasn't the only one.

"They have a lot (of dirt) on everybody," Small said, "cause everybody was doing it."

Although he understands how athletes are easy targets for getting deals, Small said anyone can take advantage.

"(People say) ‘Oh you got a deal, it's because you're an athlete,'" Small said. "Playing for Ohio State definitely helps. But I know a lot of people that do nothing and get deals on their cars."

The Lantern obtained a police report from shortly after 2 a.m. on Sept. 18, 2007, when Small was arrested for a misdemeanor charge of driving with a suspended license. According to the report, Small was driving a 2007 Chrysler 300 that he told the officer he had just purchased. The vehicle had a dealer plate on it instead of a temporary tag.

Police then received a call from Aaron Kniffin later that morning, wanting to know why the car had been impounded. Kniffin, a salesman at Jack Maxton Chevrolet, told the officer the dealership "gives a lot of coaches and faculty cars and that Mr. Small's family is purchasing the car," according to the report. Kniffin told the officer that paperwork for the car had not yet been worked out.

On Dec. 23, the NCAA suspended quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Dan Herron, receiver DeVier Posey, offensive lineman Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas for five games for selling memorabilia and receiving discounted tattoos from Eddie Rife, owner of Fine Line Ink tattoo parlor. Linebacker Jordan Whiting earned a one-game ban.

OSU handed coach Jim Tressel a five-game suspension and $250,000 fine for failing to report the players' actions.

Malcolm Jenkins, who played cornerback for OSU from 2005-2008, said the tattoo violation was overblown.

"The tattoo thing is whatever. It's not that big of a deal, but it's one of the dumb rules that the NCAA has," Jenkins told The Lantern on Wednesday. "I don't see what advantage getting free tattoos has to a university to be a violation, but it's whatever. It's in the rules, so it's whatever."

Small said he isn't surprised players couldn't resist the temptation of discounted tattoos.

"If you go in and try to get a tattoo, and somebody is like ‘Do you want 50 percent off this tattoo?' You're going to say, ‘Heck yeah,'" Small said.

The NCAA's notice of allegations sent to university President E. Gordon Gee on April 21 details the infractions that the six aforementioned athletes committed. It also lists a seventh violator, noted under letter "g" in its document. The NCAA accuses that player of having repeated interaction with Rife for a year-and-a-half.

Small said he didn't know much about Rife or Fine Line Ink.

Among the items this mystery player sold to Rife was a 2010 Rose Bowl watch for $250. However, Small, defensive end Rob Rose and running back Bo DeLande were suspended for the 2010 Rose Bowl for a "violation of team rules."

According to athletic department spokesman Dan Wallenberg, that means Small didn't receive a watch.

"Postseason awards are limited to student-athletes who are eligible to participate in such contests under NCAA and Big Ten Conference regulations," Wallenberg said Wednesday in an email to The Lantern.

Rife declined The Lantern's request for an interview.

Small spent much of his four years at OSU in Tressel's doghouse.

"When I was in college, in my opinion, I was the bad guy," Small said. "I mean I knew that I was being the bad guy. I had took on that role."

Small said the allure of deals and discounts overshadows the rules education that the athletic department's compliance office provides.

"They explain the rules to you, but as a kid you're not really listening to all of them rules," Small said. "You go out and you just, people show you so much love, you don't even think about the rules. You're just like ‘Ah man, it's cool.' You take it, and next thing you know the NCAA is down your back."

Jenkins said the athletic department makes a concerted effort to prevent such scenarios, but not all players follow instruction.
"What the players go out and do on their own time and make their own decisions is on them," Jenkins said. "I know (the compliance department) puts things in place to give us knowledge of the rules, give us education on how to deal with those situations, but what the players do with that is another story."

The Lantern reached out to Doug Archie, head of the OSU compliance department, but instead received a comment from Wallenberg.

"We educate as best we can and expect student-athletes and staff to follow our messaging and policies," Wallenberg said in an email.

Jenkins said some players fail to resist the temptation of discounts.

"When I was in school, I never really encountered too many offers and stuff, and the ones I did, it wasn't hard to say no," Jenkins said. "But some guys who have less self-control feel like they can get away with it."

Although six players have been penalized, Small said players mostly kept their wrongdoing under wraps.

"(It) was kind of hush-hush. I mean, you tell … probably your close friend, or a close friend to your close friend," Small said. "As far as everybody just talking about it in the locker room, that wasn't really a big thing. So if somebody is giving them a deal, it was probably a situation where they kept it to themselves."

Small did not provide details on who bought his memorabilia.

In a September interview with The Lantern, athletic director Gene Smith said outside influences are to blame for players' misjudgments of NCAA rules.

"At the end of the day, everyone's trying to do what's right. There's some things you can't control," Smith said. "Do we have some bad people in the business? No doubt. But 99 percent of our people are trying to do it the right way, and outside influences take them to where they are.

"It worries me constantly that our education sessions might not work, might not make it to a particular family member."

But when speaking to the media at the announcement of the players' suspensions on Dec. 23, Smith said the compliance department could have done more.

"We were not explicit with these young men that you cannot resell items that we give you," Smith said. "They stated in their interviews with us and with the NCAA that they felt those items were theirs, that they owned them, that they could sell them to help their families. … We were not explicit, and that's our responsibility to be explicit."

Smith said the compliance department reaches out to those who might interact with athletes to make sure everyone is on the same page.

"We focus more on education, education, education. Our education is marvelous," Smith told The Lantern in September. "We go out and meet with the car dealers, we'll go into the bars and restaurants with cover charges and nightclubs and educate those people so they don't give our athletes freebies."

Former OSU basketball player Mark Titus wrote Tuesday on his blog, Club Trillion, that the perks within the football program are far from a secret.

"Any OSU student in the past five years could tell you that a lot of the football players drive nice cars," Titus wrote. "You'd have to be blind to not notice it."

Titus declined further comment when The Lantern contacted him, but said he has received "all sorts of hate mail. … If people are this upset with me for pointing out the obvious, I can't imagine how mad they must be at all the guys who actually broke the rules and got OSU into this mess in the first place."

In his four years in scarlet and gray, Small – who is back at OSU pursuing a degree in sociology – totaled 61 receptions for 659 yards and three touchdowns. He returned a fourth-quarter punt 69 yards for a touchdown to seal a 26-14 victory against Ohio University on Sept. 6, 2008. Small spent time on the practice squads of the Indianapolis Colts, Minnesota Vikings and Washington Redskins.

OSU has until July 5 to respond to the NCAA's notice of allegations. The university will present its case to the NCAA Committee on Infractions on Aug. 12.

Small said players get deals just based on affiliation with the university.

"Everywhere you go, while you're in the process of playing at Ohio State," Small said, "you're going to get a deal every which way."


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Does this really surprise anyone?

I've had the opportunity to talk to/work with many former college athletes and many of them have either outright told me it happens everywhere or alluded to it.

Ohio State is just the next school du jour. In a couple years it will be someone else, then someone else, and so on until the NCAA wakes up and acknowledges that it is widespread. Frankly, I hope this is the catalyst.

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Ohio State is just the next school du jour. In a couple years it will be someone else, then someone else, and so on until the NCAA wakes up and acknowledges that it is widespread. Frankly, I hope this is the catalyst.



The NCAA knows it is widespread. The NCAA just doesn't have the budget, the manpower, or the DESIRE to investigate 100 schools at a time. They will continue to do what they have been doing, turning a blind eye to milder infractions until such time as something happens at a school to make it public, then the NCAA will ride in like Sheriff Bart pretending to be appalled at the rule breakers, turn over some stones to see if there is anything more insidious lurking and if they don't find anything, they will issue some fines and suspensions and then get back on the horse and ride back out of town. If they DO find something really bad then they will pat themselves on the back, issue really BIG fines and suspensions and ride out of town....


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I'm sorry let me make it more clear...this thread was made to hate on Ray SMALL....whata dumb....well u fill in the blanks...


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I'm sorry let me make it more clear...this thread was made to hate on Ray SMALL....whata dumb....well u fill in the blanks...




Some one needs to...uhhh....tell Mr Small that in this world...snitches get stitches......lol.

But in all seriousness........the ncaa is really smart; I mean, they actually figured out a way to get around the whole business of paying their slaves. They just call them student-athletes and boom--they don't have to worry about wasting money compensating their slaves.

It really is quite brilliant.


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I'm sorry let me make it more clear...this thread was made to hate on Ray SMALL....whata dumb....well u fill in the blanks...




So, just to clarify......Ray Small is dumb because he doesn't have a broom in one hand and a rug in the other?

People want the NCAA to clean things up but only when it doesn't pertain to their school. That's not a shot at OSU, just a general comment when it comes to bending the rules. Areas of gray are much easier for a fan to justify when "everybody is doing it".

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I'm sorry let me make it more clear...this thread was made to hate on Ray SMALL....whata dumb....well u fill in the blanks...



Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. You get to post what Ray Small said and we get to decide whether its worth hating him over.. and I don't think it is. It appears that he speaks the truth (at least as he sees it) so you can't fault him for that. He is speaking mostly from personal experience so you can't fault him for that either...

My thought is that if he had gone to LSU and said these things and if LSU was in the middle of a scandal and the vest still had a squeeky clean reputation, many would be using an article like this as a hammer to beat LSU (and the whole SEC) over the head with...


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While I wouldn't go so far as to call them slaves , I definitely feel they need a little more compensation aside from tuition and housing and the like. There is little if any time for these guys to get jobs. A small stipend, enough to pay for food, gas, etc. and housing allowance for off campus housing would be ok by me. But the amount of money that they net through tuition, etc. is NOTHING compared to they amount of money, publicity, jobs they bring in to their respective schools.

I will agree with you that the NCAA is pretty clever in the way they get away with it though, especially since hardly anyone knows how shady it is.


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I am can see both sides sort of....I tend to think that players should see some compensation though.

My posts is actually just referencing last nights South Park.....they put in their take on the NCAA, EA sports, college athlete's, and...oh yea, the crack baby basketball league.


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Sorry...let me further clarify what i mean by hate on ray small...

I'm more in shock and focusing on the way he is talking about this whole thing....especially when you know he had some major beef with TRESS....if only i can find all the quotes they were reading on the radio of former players pretty much saying Ray Small is a joke.

Are the things he said true? probably...but what causes someone to just go out there and talk about it and throw everone he has played with under the bus like that? smh are we reading the same things? i agree with some of the things he said...but some stuff like "

"It was definitely the deals on the cars. I don't see why it's a big deal," said Small, who identified Jack Maxton Chevrolet as the players' main resource."

WTF what don't you get? it's something a normal student wouldn't get! so you don't either


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You know what maybe...i'm not going to sit here and say no way i would never do that.....right now the light is on OSU i get it....and stuff is out of control....but do we really need a former player to come out like this? especially one that had beef with the head coach....the nightmare won't end

PS- I'm hating on jenkis as well....that is a dumbass quote form him.
"The tattoo thing is whatever. It's not that big of a deal, but it's one of the dumb rules that the NCAA has," Jenkins told The Lantern on Wednesday. "I don't see what advantage getting free tattoos has to a university to be a violation, but it's whatever. It's in the rules, so it's whatever."

Not only does this imply players broke rules...but it implyed they didn't even care about them....this can't possibly help the current situation. when he STILL sounds "whatever" on the subject matter


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FOUND IT! lol

Ray Small, the former Ohio State receiver who blabbed to the Lantern about selling memorabilia and getting hooked up with wheels, is getting blasted by former and current Buckeyes on twitter. Small, who is on twitter, maintains he’s not a snitch. Can we call Carmelo Anthony in to settle this?

Former OSU running back Beanie Wells (now with the Cardinals): “The nerve of some cats!! It’s one thing to bite the hand that feeds, but to go and lie about what u were being fed???? Really?! Smh”
Former OSU receiver Brian Hartline (now with the Dolphins): “Stop crying and lieing… Just bc u didn’t play as much as u wanted to doesn’t mean u can talk now…”

Former OSU cornerback Donte Whitner (now with the Bills): “I TOLD YALL HE WAS A SUCKA….RT ….. HE’S NOT REALLY FROM THE VILLE ANYWAYS.”

Senior OSU center Michael Brewster: “Show me a coward and I will show you ray small.” [Brewster is very fired up about this.]


http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/05/...him-on-twitter/


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Small had so much potential but a ten cent head. What does he have to gain by saying this other than he and his father have a major beef with Tressel?

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All those players are doing is criticizing the guy for "breaking the code of silence" or making excuses for why he might be talking, i.e. "not playing enough". Small simply gave his account of what happened. I don't understand why that makes him a "coward"?

Clarett talked about free cars in his ESPN editorial piece and everyone called him an idiot. Maybe he is an idiot but that doesn't mean he wasn't aware of what was going on. People cut down Clarett's credibility (and he certainly didn't help) and I'm sure they'll try to do the same to Small.

Hell, Antonio Pittman tweeted "This osu tattoo stuff is silly. Cats been gettin hookups on tatts since back in 01". Why didn't all these players publicly slam him? Because he didn't officially go on record?

Ohio State seems to have dug a pretty big hole on their own. Maybe Ray Small is throwing a few more sticks on the fire but he certainly didn't start the blaze. He's not the first OSU player to talk about this stuff and I'm sure he won't be the last.

Not only that but what's the guys motive? Publicity? That seems kind of odd. He was talking to the school paper, not TMZ, so the guy had little to gain. It sounds like he just gave an honest, candid account and now everyone is calling him a liar.

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So according to him EVERY SINGLE player got a car hook up? i refuse to believe that....the players are mad at him for throwing EVERYONE under the bus...there will always be a player who WANTS the hooks ups and gets them.....but i'm sure there are some level headed players as well who don't go out looking for trouble.....


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I think you're getting way too caught up on his quotes.

When I read them, I didn't think "wow, everyone on the roster was getting a free car."

I associated the term "everyone" with "widespread". I would guess most other people do as well.

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ray small is in my dog house.


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A HS friend of mine got a partial scholarship to a fairly small Kentucky school.

He was given a part-time job as the alligator warden for the city parks. There aren't any alligators in Kentucky.

He wasn't even a starter or skill player.

This was 30 years ago. Nothing new here.

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A HS friend of mine got a partial scholarship to a fairly small Kentucky school.

He was given a part-time job as the alligator warden for the city parks. There aren't any alligators in Kentucky.

He wasn't even a starter or skill player.

This was 30 years ago. Nothing new here.




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Ha, my dad and uncle were at OSU in the early 70s and have told me about how all the football players would get "jobs" washing cars at the local dealerships...wash a car, and its yours to drive.

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‘Well I got (four) of them, I can sell one or two and get some money to pay this rent."

So he got his 4th ring then decided that that was more than enough and he would sell them. Don't players get 4 yrs of eligibility? So wouldn't that mean he sold them after his eligibility was completed?


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pretty sure he means hindsight...i dobut he did it his last year...but who knows it's possible....he def didn't complete school


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some now he goes on outside the lines and says he was 'misquoted'.

whatever happens to OSU I'm ready for this crap to be over with.... I'm tired of a story coming out against OSU and then a week later them saying 'opps' we messed up....


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Ray Small is a coward and a punk. I say this not for the fact that he is calling out OSU, but because he is throwing teammates under the bus for no reason other than the fact he is bitter.

This guy does things the wrong way, is punished for it, and in return takes it out on the university and his former teammates.

Pathetic.




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But in all seriousness........the ncaa is really smart; I mean, they actually figured out a way to get around the whole business of paying their slaves. They just call them student-athletes and boom--they don't have to worry about wasting money compensating their slaves.

It really is quite brilliant.




Football player, mens and womens basketball players, and 1 other womens sport get their tuition completely paid for. They get room and board. They get their books. I believe that they get a meal plan as well.

Ohio State's "out of state" tuition, for example, is $22,000 per year. Football players (and the others listed) on scholarship get that for free.

The student athlete can then also take out student loans if they want "walking around money". They also qualify for grants, depending on their grades and their parents income.

I would guess that when tuition, books, room and board, meals, grants and loans are taken into account .... a football player in NCAA Division 1 could about $40,000-50,000 per year while in school. That's not too bad. They have to pay their loans back (if they take loans out) but if they go to the NFL, that's a pittance. If they go into a "normal" job, then they are no further behind than an ordinary student graduating college .... except that they went to a quality school, and didn;t have to take out private loans on top of sponsored loans.


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I was referencing this.....



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lmao...nice


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THIS is what will make him famous? TO wannabe? Imean rules don't apply and throw anyone under the bus.
Had to wait until he could ruin Tressel and OSU to "speak" about the rottenness he participated in there?
Sad for OSU and the GAME. I still will think of Tressel as a mighty good coach who brought a lot of good to campus. program, and players before this happened. I wish him well but do not condone this. "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."


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