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In the end of the year presser savage talked about 5 areas that need work...now when he did this i don't think he was talking specific positions as much as general parts of the team.... the reason i say this is look at last year with wimbley or ngata.....the choice was "stop the run" or "rush the passer" so with that type of thinking in mind what do you think those 5 areas of need are...and then whats the best way to fix them... 1. Blocking - to me this is the biggest void....with shaf (and now hank) as the only sure things coming back we've got an open highway to the qb....i think we push hard to get a guard in fa...and one in the draft...not guys that are called guards...good ones.... then of course i want thomas...this will go a long way in solidifying our blocking... 2. pass defense -- normally i would put stop the run first but with us being down 2 starters this one has to go first....clements seems to be the target...i hope we get this guy so we don't have to use a high draft pick on another corner.... 3. Stop the run - all i can say is......old.....i think we sign a fa to fill the void left by mckinnley and go NT in the draft...we def need another de in the draft too...... 4. rush the passer - need someone to replace willie soon....another olb wouldn't be a bad thing.... draft...as i don't see how we will get thomas...not if were targeting clements and stien... 5. run the ball - i think we are ok with droughns, but we need another back to make the cream rise to the top....draft a rb.... so in essence with the 5 areas that i see as needing improvement we can most likely fix 2 of them in free agency.....3 would be huge... then we go into the draft with 2-3 holes...if thomas is available he is a must draft as we can't get that LT any other way....unless savage sees a gem available in the second round i want that LT.... if we get clements then we are able to go guard or dline in the second and third... then finally another olb and rb...don't know if the draft is deep enough for all that but we might have that olb on our roster already in leon, and have some young backs that might mature... what do you guys think....what are your 5 areas from most important to least (well all five are important  ) and how do you fix them....fa or draft? then lastly with who?
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Most of what you say has been bantered about for weeks now,,, but this is something that I'm not exactly sure I understand Quote:
4. rush the passer - need someone to replace willie soon....another olb wouldn't be a bad thing.... draft...as i don't see how we will get thomas...not if were targeting clements and stien...
I'm not sure how you figure that we won't get Thomas? But let's assume your right, there is a guy,, actually two in the draft that I like..
Branch I would use our #3 pick on,, some say he's not worth it,, but this kid is a beast..
Okoye,, he's a guy that may or may not be thought of as someone in the Top 5, but he's 19 years old with a ton of talent already and I think he only gets better and better... reluctantly, I'd use the 3rd pick on him but ideally, I'd like to trade down and pick up a few later picks and grab Okoye.. but only if Savage feels that Branch isn't the answer..
Then there is Peterson... talented guy, but a position we can leave alone this year if we need to,,,
SO,,, where does that leave me,,,,
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Clements and Stienbach or Dielman in FA.. of course we already signed Hank,,,
Then I want Thomas and one of those great guard candidates in the second,,
If Thomas is gone, then I want Branch or trade down to take Okoye in the first and one of those guards in the second...
The mistake I'm probably making is that I'm basing all my wants in the draft on what we get in FA... in the end, that may not be the right thing to do.
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1. Blocking - to me this is the biggest void....with shaf (and now hank) as the only sure things coming back we've got an open highway to the qb....i think we push hard to get a guard in fa...and one in the draft...not guys that are called guards...good ones....
I see three big holes here now. I think that it is very risky to expect Tucker to play a whole season and I don’t want to see Andruzzi again. Realistically I don’t think that we can fill all of holes this year and expecting two players in the draft to start (first day selections) is going to leave some major holes elsewhere. I think that we will get one guard in FA and one Guard in the draft, but that we could be one lineman short in the end.
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then of course i want thomas...this will go a long way in solidifying our blocking...
I agree I would love to see him come in but if we go thomas in round one I think we are going to miss out on a guard in round two because we are going to need a DL man to step in immediately.
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2. pass defense -- normally i would put stop the run first but with us being down 2 starters this one has to go first....clements seems to be the target...i hope we get this guy so we don't have to use a high draft pick on another corner....
It is highly probable that this will happen. Check one concern off our lists.
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3. Stop the run - all i can say is......old.....i think we sign a fa to fill the void left by mckinnley and go NT in the draft...we def need another de in the draft too......
Here is where I think that we are going to run into a problem along both our lines. We need atleast 2 starters here and possibly three. Roye and Ted are great situationally, but they are going to need some people to rotate with.. Ideally we can pick up one player in free agency. After that we are most likely going to need to use a top 3 pick in this area and hope that one of the people on the bench steps up.
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4. rush the passer - need someone to replace willie soon....another olb wouldn't be a bad thing.... draft...as i don't see how we will get thomas...not if were targeting clements and stien...
I agree. I don’t see how we will have enough money to sign a few middle of the road players let alone Thomas if we sign Clements and Stienbach. Another LB would be nice, but I think that this is an area of luxury. We are most likely stuck with what we have, ant that might not be a bad thing, depending on how the sophs this year grow.
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5. run the ball - i think we are ok with droughns, but we need another back to make the cream rise to the top....draft a rb....
I know Drougns is not the greatest, but I think he could work. I am not sure that this not a luxury item as well. Plus the RB class next year should be very good. It would be nice to upgrade but I am not sure that we have the ability to upgrade this many positions.
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so in essence with the 5 areas that i see as needing improvement we can most likely fix 2 of them in free agency.....3 would be huge…
then we go into the draft with 2-3 holes...if thomas is available he is a must draft as we can't get that LT any other way....unless savage sees a gem available in the second round i want that LT....
Here is where I disagree with you a little bit. We might have 5 areas of need but in the two lines alone I can see us needing 6 players alone.
The only areas that might be solidified in FA are CB (clements) and RB (serviceable guy to hold the position for a year). There is no way that we can fix either of the lines in FA. We are going to go into the draft needing at least 3 lineman and most likely 4 between the defense and offensive sides. Then we might need a RB and QB as luxury items as well.
I think that RB, QB, and LB are luxury items, and I do not expect anything to be done in FA, but with the 3 rd pick in the draft, we cannot afford to miss on top tier talent to pick a need. I would love to have Thomas, but I would not have a problem with most of the players at the top of the draft.
If Thomas is gone then I think Quin and Peterson would be okay. Personally I would be ectatic if we were able to drop down and pick up a few more picks to allow us to fill more of our holes with Day 1 talent and pick up Okoye.
Just my 2 cents.
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In the end of the year presser savage talked about 5 areas that need work...now when he did this i don't think he was talking specific positions as much as general parts of the team....
Actually, what you list does reflect position:
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Blocking
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Stop the run
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run the ball
i.e. RB/OL
While I see what you're saying above, you're just restating what has been discussussed for quite a while. In no particular order, this team needs help on the OL, DL, CB, and likely RB areas. I would argue they could basically use an upgrade at QB and WR as well, though they aren't as pressing needs as the others.
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'm not sure how you figure that we won't get Thomas? But let's assume your right, there is a guy,, actually two in the draft that I like..
i'm not saying we couldn't get thomas, as i would love to have him...
i'm simply trying to look at our areas of need in a more general way first, with specific players and ways to fix them second....
i.e. if a LT will help the blocking the most...and imo with tuck being iffy this is huge....we need another tackle...thats gotta be the draft...we aren't gonna get an adequate guy any other way....
we can get a guard in fa...either stien or deil...after them i don't know whats out there....now i also think we need to draft a guard, and i guess that could be anywhere from the 2nd round to the 3rd round for a day one starter and further down if phil thinks a good one slipped...
someone else might rate other needs higher and just get a guard in fa and the draft high, and move to the next issue...others think the qb or rb goes a long way in helping the line....
as far as thomas i think that olb is less of an issue because our lines on both sides of the ball are a shambles....stopping the run is more important that blitzing at this point....same thing with corner....teams have thrown and ran at will on us...no more 10 yard cushion...no more easy 5 yard runs, means we'll get to the qb more....
and i know much of this has been talked about (i wanted to make this thread about 3 weeks ago but didn't have time) i'm throwing this out there because others might think differently, and frankly i'm bored wanna read some good football discussion...
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see three big holes here now. I think that it is very risky to expect Tucker to play a whole season and I don’t want to see Andruzzi again. Realistically I don’t think that we can fill all of holes this year and expecting two players in the draft to start (first day selections) is going to leave some major holes elsewhere. I think that we will get one guard in FA and one Guard in the draft, but that we could be one lineman short in the end.
i agree...we've got way too many holes on the dline and oline...thats why we have to get joe thomas if he's available....i don't want us scrambling for a RT like we were for center last year...if we can't get thomas, then i want branch (or from what daman is saying that oyke dude...) alot of this hinges on signing clements....if we don't get him, then we will have to get a corner high, and it will leave us with major holes elsewhere, and we won't be able fill them...
we get thomas, then we could go dline in round 2...then guard in 3....
if we don't get clements, then we might have to try and trade down for an extra pick....and take branch, then corner, then guard...then dline...depending on the trade good quality might not be available, and we have to go bpa on something else...
rb and qb are further down on my list...like you said....they are needs..but we can possibly get by without them....
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While I see what you're saying above, you're just restating what has been discussussed for quite a while. In no particular order, this team needs help on the OL, DL, CB, and likely RB areas. I would argue they could basically use an upgrade at QB and WR as well, though they aren't as pressing needs as the others.
i'm quite aware that it has been discussed...what i was trying to do was put it all together....you've got oline threads...qb threads, and rb threads....
i'm trying to look at it as a whole package...in other words one choice affects the whole....what package puts us into position to do the most good...
what i posted was my views...someone else might look at qb as the biggest problem...that means a trade for a vet or drafting one at 3....there available choices after that are going to be very different as LT is out of the equation...
and i understand that areas of concern mean players...i'm just trying to look at the big picture...in the draft you can't count on all the players you want to be there so you have to have a plan to fall back on...
in other words....say thomas is gone....my first goal would be trade down for branch...qb is a luxury imo....others might say take the qb...heck you might be forced to take a qb cause he's the bpa...that throws the whole big picture off...cause now i need a RT...
others might just gladly take that qb or rb cause there plan has that rated the highest...
i'm getting at more of a "plan of attack" as apposed to a player specific type thinking....
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