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I have been ignoring it, but I hear it on the radio now, right now it's because of andy dalton TCU's qb.
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Why is hearing it from some boneheads on the radio make it any different? I hear things on the radio, television, out of ball player's mouths, out of the computers of people on this board. What's the big deal about that? There are dumbasses everywhere, and a lot of them have a microphone to spew it from.
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I must live under a rock. I have yet to hear this "ginger" epidemic that you speak of. And for you to equate this term with an ethnic slur really softens the harshness of what really constitutes an ethnic slur.
You really need to be a bit more stoic than this. Don't allow others to control how you feel and how you conduct yourself. Being called a ginger isn't the worse thing you can be called.
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It is an interesting topic though ...
Without being ignorant or naive ... allow me to ask:
Is there really a difference between calling someone any name that singles them out because of one feature and another? You could say anything (whether a slur that makes fun of race, religion, sexual preference, political class, team fandom, etc.) ... and only some have more powerful meaning because we choose to allow certain ones power and certain ones are instantly dismissed.
But, if the intent is in jest and I saw one of those words (even the worst) to my best friend, shouldn't it be treated as though it isn't a big deal?
And if the intent is to put someone down, then shouldn't the least of those slurs (whether or not you decide it is ginger) still be considered rude and inexcusable?
I get the feeling I will take some flak for this ... but if the intent is the same and aimed at degrading someone because of a characterist about them, then no one on here (or anywhere) should be able to dismiss "ginger" as a slur if they get upset by the slurs uttered at homosexuals, at blacks, asians, mexicans, and latinos, at women, at the mentally retarded, or etc.
If you pick and choose which ones are offensive while disregarding intent, then you are just a bigot.
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but if the intent is the same and aimed at degrading someone because of a characterist about them, then no one on here (or anywhere) should be able to dismiss "ginger" as a slur if they get upset by the slurs uttered at homosexuals, at blacks, asians, mexicans, and latinos, at women, at the mentally retarded, or etc.
Which is my point. It says far more about the people who use these slurs than the people they are aiming them at. Why waste energy crying about them and becoming upset or offended?
People give way too much power to the ignorant or just plain mean people.
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I am a "ginger" and I have started to take offense to this term.
Ginger is a very common term in places like England and Australia. It is not always used in a derogatory manner.
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I was talking about ginger.
I like ginger snaps and ginger ale.
I like ginger brandy
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I like my ex-stepsister. Her name is Ginger.
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I have to agree with your wife. I MUCH prefer being called "ginger" over "carrot top". I used to respond to "carrot top" with "carrot tops are green, I am not" Childish I know, but I was a child when I said it. LOL! Though, in more recent years, I've heard both terms less and less as my hair is dark red, almost brown.
OMG, that episode of South Park with the Ginger Kids freakin' cracked me up!!!!!! 
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but if the intent is the same and aimed at degrading someone because of a characterist about them, then no one on here (or anywhere) should be able to dismiss "ginger" as a slur if they get upset by the slurs uttered at homosexuals, at blacks, asians, mexicans, and latinos, at women, at the mentally retarded, or etc.
Which is my point. It says far more about the people who use these slurs than the people they are aiming them at. Why waste energy crying about them and becoming upset or offended?
People give way too much power to the ignorant or just plain mean people.
I agree that it's stupid to get offended over it, but he does bring up an interesting point.
Who decides which slurs are acceptable?
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YOU do,...I have never ever heard this term before, and I am supposing it is a takeoff from the Gilligan character,...
But, now that I know it could be offensive to Frenchy, I would never dare use it on him,....like I might "turban head" or "rice thrasher" in jest.
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Dave, there is a bald guy at my workplace. I call him 'Chromey!" Really, I do. Come to think of it, he's married to a redhead (she also works there). Maybe I should call her 'Ginger'.
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Ginger is a very common term in places like England and Australia. It is not always used in a derogatory manner.
But calling someone a 'ranga' is always derogatory.
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Ginger is a very common term in places like England and Australia. It is not always used in a derogatory manner.
But calling someone a 'ranga' is always derogatory.
That I know. The problem is if I wanted to insult a redhead here they wouldn't know what I was talking about.
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Your so bald, I can see what your thinking.
Your so bald that when you where a turtleneck you look like a roll on deodorant
Actually, I'm not that bald yet. I have a receding hairline and a yommie-spot (hope that doesn't offend anyone) in back that are in a race to the middle of my dome. It doesn't really matter though, because - imo - I'm still a gosh-damn good-looking man. At least thats what my wife tells me. So I got that going for me, which is nice ...
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I call my bro in law "Island boy" or "island head". He's got a receding hairline - but it only recedes from basically his temples. He has a tuft of hair in the front middle - looks like an island. He's punched me for calling him that - so I know it bugs him. So, I keep saying it. 
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After reading this thread, I had to re-rent Gran Torino which I just watched....a great movie....slurs aplenty.
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I watched that about a year ago. Loved it.
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Never heard the term before. I will say it's not as bad as being called a breed/ halfbreed and the tone used is a nasty. That is one slur that I've heard and been referred to that will get someones teeth knocked down their throat. I am not a breed, I am a Native American multinational and proud of my heritage.
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Having some Polish blood in me, I've had my share of ethnic teasing. If people only knew how brave the Poles were in WWII....running right up to the German foxholes and throwing sticks of dynamite at them. Even though the Germans lit them and threw them back doesn't take away from their bravery. 
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I personally am sick of all the race BS. I'm a white man. I hear all the slurs. I also notice nobody gets mad when somebody refers to me as white boy. If I called a group of men "Black Boys", "Red Boys", "Yellow Boys" or "Brown Boys"... then I'd be a racist. Let's face it, there will always be racial slurs. Hatred, fear, ignorance... these things will never go away and as long as they exist, so will racial slurs. The only hope we have is being invaded by Martians. We need those "Little Green Bastards" to come so mankind can all have someone to hate and fear in common.
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I had not heard the word before watching the Southpark episode, I thought they were making it up.
It is obviously not acceptable
If we weren't born under Adam and Eve and the curse of the fruit of the tree of knowlege of good and evil, then we wouldn't have to worry about what other people say and do. But now we have to
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Never heard the term "ginger" applied to a redhead. Try not to let it bother you, frenchy - although I suppose that's easy for me to say.
I'm on record here as a fan of redheads (the wife is a brunette haha), and I work with a redhead who is about 25 and extremely easy on the eyes. I mean seriously gorgeous.
Do I like Nicole Kidman & Juliann Moore? Oh yeah, baby.
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Never heard the term "ginger" applied to a redhead. Try not to let it bother you, frenchy - although I suppose that's easy for me to say.
I'm on record here as a fan of redheads (the wife is a brunette haha), and I work with a redhead who is about 25 and extremely easy on the eyes. I mean seriously gorgeous.
Do I like Nicole Kidman & Juliann Moore? Oh yeah, baby.
Isn't Frenchy considered an insult? I remember Georges St-Pierre getting pissed at Matt Serra when he used that term. GSP is a French Canadian UFC fighter.
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I don't think Frenchy is an insult like "Frog" is, unless it' said with obvious vitriol. French guys are sometimes nick-named "Frenchy" by their English buddies in they live in a predominantly Anglophone region.
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Okay. I just remember that incident on the run up to their fight.
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While I don't know about the incident you're referring to, in the case of GPS in that scenario (being called that by an opponent), I can understand why it might insult him.
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My last name is french, over the years people have just called me frenchy. By the way I'm not french.
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I think people's skin is way to thin these days. Call me a cracker, hillbilly, redneck, midget, or whatever else.... no big deal they are just words and not worth worrying about IMO
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My last name is french, over the years people have just called me frenchy. By the way I'm not french.
I will still picture you wearing a red beret and ascot and having a thin little mustache. 
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Just a question, when you are talking amongst your red-headed friends, do you constantly and repeatedly use the term "ginger" to refer to those around you?
If you did, would you be surprised that others would not consider the term to be so negative?
If the use of the word was totally eliminated and you still suffered discrimination because of your hair color, would you consider that a victory, and what would be your attitude towards those who did?
Also, I must join the others who have mentioned that they have never heard of this word being directed toward redheads, in a negative fashion or otherwise.
This would be a good place to remember the advice I heard a grandmother give to her very tall daughter. She complained that people would ask "How's the weather up there?" Grandma suggested she spit and tell them "it's raining".
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I actually have heard ginger used in exactly 2 different situations ... both on TV.
Dr Who always wants to be a ginger when he regenerates.
Conan O'Brien sometimes refers to himself as a ginger.
That's it.
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...I'm still trying to determine whether or not this is a joke...
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By the way I'm not french.
You're sure acting like it.
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You're sure acting like it.
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Now they're using the term "ginger" on Glee tonight. How timely for this group! 
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Okay it really pains me to post this here, but it touches on this topic and is making me rethink my original post. Granted there is more at work here than the color of one of the girls' hair, and true enough it is an extreme but I saw this and wanted to cry. Two cute kids . . . Two Minnesotan Teens Commit Suicide From the article "She was made fun of for being overweight, her red hair," Settle said. "She posted on my [Facebook] wall that she really wanted to come back...that the people were mean and cruel and she didn't fit in." My apologies if this doesn't belong here--it is more about bullying than hair color, though hair color played a part.
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I think people's skin is way to thin these days. Call me a cracker, hillbilly, redneck, midget, or whatever else.... no big deal they are just words and not worth worrying about IMO
Hi, GM.
Yep- it's me again. (Feel free to issue a resigned sigh at this point... I don't blame you, Dawg....)
You're of course entitled to your opinion, which I would never presume to say is "wrong," but I will however, offer another way of looking at it- for your consideration.
I won't call you any of the names you offered, my friend- even if you invite them from me in your post.... and here's why:
During my "wonder years," I was subjected to a buttload of slurs because of my appearance. Being born in 1956 of a 'biracial hookup,' I grew up in a time that was much less ethnically homogenous than we see now. Truth be told, my entrance into this world was inconvenient enough that I was immediately abandoned by both families associated with that 'hookup,' and placed in The System... as a candidate for adoption.
As luck would have it, I was adopted by a family that was about as ethnically diverse as the United Nations... and as such, they were a bit more tuned in to how callous their fellow citizens could be. As family, none of us ever really cared about how different we looked, one from the other... and as Family, we bonded together to support each other when the slings and slurs got hurled our way. I relied upon my family to give me a sense of "social compass" during those years, because I was coming of age in a world that didn't seem prepared to accept the likes of me. In short, they were God's gift to me- one of "the discarded ones"... and without them all, there's no telling how awful my life might have been.
From the "European American" side of society, I was called: "Half-Breed," "Brillohead," and the unbiquitous "N-Bomb" to my face on a weekly basis... for years and years. From the "African American" side of society, I was called: "High Yellow", "Hightoned," "Fair" and "Whiteboy." For years and years. Dating in High School (a right of passage enjoyed and even expected by most) was simply out of the question- I was too light-skinned for some daughters' fathers... and too dark for the rest. (But don't feel sorry for me- I more than made up for my HS years when I finally got to college...hehe)
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Each of these labels were like well-honed scalpels- slicing my teenaged soul to ribbons. At the time, alI I really wanted from life was to find my place in society- and to begin creating whom I might become... but at every turn, there was someone using my appearance (something I had absolutely no control over) to dehumanize me to the level of personal appearance... and use it as an excuse to justify their basest nature(s). When I was 16, and on the brink of self-destruction, I fell off the fence- to the side of My Family's influence- and made a conscious decision to stop listening to all those names others were calling me- and make a name for myself. If I'd fallen the other way, I might not have lived to see graduation day. I owe My Family-bigtime- for all the years that I've experienced since that day.... because I came really, really close to checking myself out
This is the main reason why I adhere to the "PC Code" to this day- not because I'm a flaming Liberal, or wish to impose my beliefs upon anyone else... but because I know that words aren't just benign elements in a dictionary- they can be fashioned together to be used as weapons... to injure, harm and devalue another fellow Human Being- and I'd be disrespecting the way I was brought up and trained by My Family, if I were to allow from myself anything less. Words are meaning... and words are the only means we have to connect ourselves... or to disconnect ourselves.
If the "N-Bomb" is unacceptable to me, then I should hold myself to the same standards when referring to a person who might be called a "Ginger."
Fair is fair- for ALL of us, no?
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