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Think back to when you were in high school. I don't care whether you were a good student, or bad student. Think back and remember how you treated, and responded to teachers.
I write from experience because I wasn't the best student in high school. - Too distracted by what was going on at home to focus on schoolwork. I graduated on time, but didn't fulfill my potential as a student in high school. Luckily, I had friends who were positive influences and it was through them that I found the motivation to go to college and do well. Currently, I am enrolled in a graduate program to become a special education teacher.
Anyway, back to my point. Think about how you responded when teachers spoke to you, either in the classroom, or in one-on-one situations.
Once a week, I sit-in a special education class at a high school that is part of the Cleveland Municipal School District. Today marked my fifth week in this experience, so I am starting to get comfortable and interact with students.
The class that I sit with is comprised of 15-17 year olds. They recently finished an African American history project. Their assignment was to choose from a list of famous African Americans, and to write a report and create a picture board.
So I walk in class today, and noticed that a student had done a report on Sugar Ray Leonard. The student's picture board was up, but his written assignment had been removed from the board. When I asked the teacher what happened she told me that the student had to re-write his report. Eager to get some experience with students, I asked the teacher if I could offer my support to the student. She gave me permission.
I wouldn't see the student until fourth period, so I had some time to get a strategy together. I quickly recalled what I knew about Sugar Ray Leonard. - Olympian, World Champ, and of course his loss to Roberto Duran followed by a rematch and victory against Roberto Duran. Then I looked at the student's picture board and noticed that he had a photo of Sugar Leonard punching Marvin Hagler. - This photo was from what was called the "superfight".
I wanted the student to understand that when Sugar Ray was making a name for himself, I was a child. - Heck, I was in third grade when the "superfight" happened. However, growing up as a suburban kid in the eighties, I knew who Sugar Ray Leonard was. - I wanted the student to understand that Sugar Ray fought at a time when boxing was a mainstream sport, and that he was a very, very, prominent figure. - If the student understood this, then he would be motivated to research more, write more, and learn more.
So I was motivated to help this kid, I did a little quick research on my own, and wrote down the dates and venues of Sugar Ray's fights in the Olympics, with Roberto Duran, and with Marvin Hagler. - To me, off the top of my head mind you, these are key moments in Sugar Ray's career. I created a little outline, and planned to go over it with the kid.
The time came during fourth period. The student walked into class. He had his headphones on, and I could hear music coming out of them. I called him over, he didn't bother to turn off his headphones. I said to him "I want to talk to you about your report on Sugar Ray Leonard" His response: "You know I turned that in already" (His headphones are still on his hears, playing music) I asked him if his report discussed Sugar Ray's bouts against Roberto Duran. His response "No" I then asked him if he discussed Leonard's bout with Hagler, his response "No".
I then asked if understood that when Sugar Ray Leonard boxed, it was during a time when boxing was a very popular sport, and that Sugar Ray's fights were watched by millions of people. I then told him that when Roberto Duran beat Sugar Ray during their first fight, that the president of Panama sent a private jet to transport Roberto Duran back to Panama, and that there was a parade held there in his honor. - Music still coming out of those headphones. His response was a subdued "oh really, wow". I continued trying to motivate this kid to sit down and have a meaningful conversation/lesson with me about Sugar Ray Leonard, but he had no interest. Eventually he said he had to go, and with his headphones still playing music, he walked away.
Suggestions for next time? Comments?
Keep in mind that this was a one on one interaction between a student and I about somewhat interesting subject matter. Now imagine having to educate fifteen kids like this within a fifty minute block of time. -The teachers at this school deal with this type of behavior on an hourly basis, and when students fail, parents and politicians blame the teachers.
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tough in a 1on1 where it's tutoring that the student may not want (you were at a major disadvantage in that situation). but, in a classroom, I wouldn't expect any teacher to allow a student to wear headphones, text, etc.
my main suggestion would be to start off level-setting rather than getting straight into the subject if you can. make the student realize that he has to rewrite the paper for whatever specific reason the teacher was having him rewrite it and sell yourself as someone that can help him do it. but, make it clear that you won't provide your help (and make his life easier) if he doesn't give you some respect by removing the headphones and paying attention (doing so politely but firmly).
just my 2 cents but really if the kid doesn't care, then the kid doesn't care. do your best to change it.
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What the devil is the kid doing with head phones on in school , Period ??
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This is the parents fault and in another thread when I said maybe mothers should stay home and raise these kids. You know what response I got to that. Let's just say know one agreed with me.
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it's the parents fault their kid has headphones on in school?
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As a former teacher myself, I think one thing you need to remember is that there's only so much you CAN do. Like moxdawg said, if this kid's mother isn't staying at home, then he's a lost cause and should be deported.  In all seriousness, though, there is only so much you can do. I went to a good school, and I was respectful (mostly) to my teachers. But, there were just kids who weren't. That's just the way it is, and will always be. There will always just be kids you can't reach. That being said, it doesn't mean you shouldn't try. One thing I've found that worked for me A LOT was, I would say to the kid "hey, I'm not listening to music when you talk to me, so don't do it when I'm talking to you", or something to that effect. I used that a lot when a kid would be yelling at me and I would be calm. I'd say "I'm not yelling at you, so why are you yelling at me?" You'd be amazed how effective that can be. Make sure you also remember, though, that you don't want to be this kid's friend. When you engage the kid, you want to be friendly, but you are this kid's "superior", for lack of a better word. He doesn't have to like you, but he does have to listen to you. If you approach too softly, trying to be a friend (and I'm not saying you did that), you will not get any respect from the kid. Also, and, of all people Adolf Hitler knew this, if you start talking in a somewhat quiet voice, people strain to listen to you, and now you've got their attention. However, sometimes that doesn't work. You really have to gauge the situation yourself. IMO, the next time, I'd use the "I don't disrespect you, don't disrespect me" tactic. Also, remember that this kid probably "hates" learning (or thinks he does). As soon as you start getting the least bit educational on him, he's going to tune you out. Maybe what you do is try to engage him in a conversation where HE'S leading it, not you. Ask him who HIS favorite athlete currently is, then relate it back to the subject you want to talk about. I found that a lot of these kids have very little control over a lot of things, and if you give them that sense of empowerment, even over a menial conversation, they will just run with it. And, they'll be more open to it next time. But, you're the one who has to decide. You know the situation better than the rest of us. Good luck, and if you ever need any other tips or war stories, let me know. I taught at a school for expelled students, so I had some pretty rough characters, and I was able to get through to them pretty well.
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This is the parents fault and in another thread when I said maybe mothers should stay home and raise these kids. You know what response I got to that. Let's just say know one agreed with me.
Yes I remember your stance. And I still don't see how having a mother stay at home would make this kid understand to not have headphones on at school and to respect someone that's trying to help him. My mom worked and I knew that stuff. I even knew enough to always say please, thank you, and excuse me. Again, why should a mother stay at home to raise the kids?
A parent can teach the importance of an education, respect for ones elders/teachers, and still deliver a promising adult to society AND work. I don't see why this is hard to understand.
As for the topic, I would have reminded the kid that the teacher wasn't going to accept the report as is, tell the kid I'm trying to help him on my own time, to turn off the music, and confirm he wants my help. If not, I walk away. I would try to act as nice as possible during that too.
...and it's not like this is Geometry or 1600 French History....this is boxing. It's a fun subject. I don't even like it as a sport, but I can talk/debate it for hours. Heck, I just spent a few hours yesterday debating how good Mike Tyson really was (I say he was more "hype" than "good for the game" and while he's on my Mount Rushmore of boxers in my generation, he's not #1 or #2 by FAR).
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Why didnt you ask him to remove the headphones?
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Understanding this one is easy. The kid did the minimum amount of work to get the grade and he's already moved on in his mind.
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Agreed. In what universe is that acceptable in school?
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I would have handled that Completely Different.
" You have failed at your assigned task. I have information that will help you do it better and/or will demonstrate the correct procedure. This will require that you SHUT UP and PAY ATTENTION. Otherwise, I won't waste my time and you may continue to fail, and perhaps next year in the same grade you will do better."
I would have started with "Get those headphones off and turn off the music, do it NOW or I will do it for you, and I will guarantee you will not like the way I get it done."
You approached this kid like you were the freaking maid. Either take charge or give up and quit. No teacher I ever had would have tolerated the headphones.
Edit - Your thread title is wrong. There was no teaching that happened in this exchange. You failed in your assigned task. Do you even know exactly what was wrong with the original paper?
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If I can suggest this.
Don't stop trying to teach and inspire because the first meeting went awkwardly. For all you know he may go home, think about it, go on the internet and read some and surprise you.
Did you ask him why he choose Sugar Ray? Did you try to see what he had in mind? If not, try connecting his interest with your interest. Maybe he just picked him out of a hat and didn't care. You talked about Sugar Rays' career, how about his personal life? Is there perhaps some connection your student can make with Ray in that area?
Also, you said special ed . . . maybe he didn't have the kind of upbringing we would like, maybe he doesn't understand he was being disrespectful.
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Edit - Your thread title is wrong. There was no teaching that happened in this exchange. You failed in your assigned task. Do you even know exactly what was wrong with the original paper?
Dayum! I didn't think it was that bad.
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Get those headphones off and turn off the music, do it NOW or I will do it for you, and I will guarantee you will not like the way I get it done."
Dude, if you want kids to treat you with respect you have to start by doing the same. More like, "can you please remove your headphones so we can go over the assignment"
You sound more like a prison warden
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I'd say "I'm not yelling at you, so why are you yelling at me?" You'd be amazed how effective that can be.
This. It works amazingly well. I use this on pre-med students who are mad because they they got a 90% instead of a 91% and I won't budge because they didn't answer the question correctly.
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When you engage the kid, you want to be friendly, but you are this kid's "superior", for lack of a better word.
Superior is good. I personally like "supervisor" as it still has that flavor of being in charge, yet puts the responsibility on the student. Literally, you're setting a learning goal that you expect your "employees" to complete in a given time period.
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That being said, it doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
This. Keep at it. If you don't reach him, it sucks, but you tried and it's not your fault. If you DO reach him, great!
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I will say this about your approach...
For certain people, being like this works.
In my experience, though, immediately being a harass, especially with teenagers, is wholly counterproductive. And, with the way it seemed this kid was, all he would have done was laugh and walk away.
And, if you try to take the headphones yourself, not only would you be in HUGE trouble for touching the kid (and let's not go into whether that's right or not, the fact is you just can't do it), but there's a distinct possibility the kid just plain punches you. And, what does that accomplish?
Like I said, the tough guy approach works sometimes, but not often.
And, I'm not saying you have to be a wuss about it. I think the original poster did just fine.
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You do realize this is a special education class?
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Special Ed or not, you don't talk to your students like that.
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This is the parents fault and in another thread when I said maybe mothers should stay home and raise these kids. You know what response I got to that. Let's just say know one agreed with me.
it's the parents fault their kid has headphones on in school?
yes. Because it starts at home. Yes the teacher should tell the kid to remove the headphones but a teacher wouldn't have to with my kids. Why is that
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Agreed. In what universe is that acceptable in school?
I am a grad student who sits in this class one day a week. This was my fifth week. It isn't my place to tell him to take off his headphones when his regular teacher was in the room and she didn't say anything to him. My sole purpose there is to observe, nothing else. - His teacher could have refused my request to assist him. I figured I'd make an attempt to motivate this kid. Obviously, it didn't work.
You guys are right - students should not be allowed to wear headphones during school hours.
Before everybody begins slamming this kid's everyday teacher, let me tell you about some other observations about the teacher.
- This woman has been asked to improve the reading, writing, and overall content comprehension for over 60 kids during four separate class sessions during the day.
- She has to deal with chronic absence of students. - No parents to call, no way of finding out where these kids are.
- She has to deal with chronic tardiness of students. - Imagine everyday, being in the middle of a lesson, and a student walks in late, killing the momentum of the lesson. - Now imagine it happening 1-2 times a day during 3 - 4 blocks of classes.
- She has multiple students that are 15-17 years old that read at a 5th grade level. - I know this because I read their IEP reports. I also know this because I have heard them try to read.
- She has students that are in high school, but have children.
- She has several students which are always interrupting her lessons with their unruly behavior. - Throwing candy to classmates, making noises with desks, refusing to sit with the rest of the class. When I told her that these students are consistently disruptive, she told me that she has tried to teach them, she has tried to work with them, she has tried to discipline them, she has asked to have them placed in a more intensive environment, and every administrator tells her that they prefer that she keeps them in her class simply because they like her, and they can't place these kids anywhere else.
- This lady has pounded strategies into these kids heads. - Strategies for reading, writing, etc. She has gone over content with them. - All the while, the same disruptions arise.
- Her and about 15 other faculty members voluntarily cooked breakfast, and held two study sessions on consecutive Saturday mornings to assist their students to get ready for the Ohio Standard Tests. - How did the students respond? Let's put it this way, the student attendance for the OGT test was so poor that her and a several other teachers had to drive around these kids neighborhoods, making phone calls to any contacts they knew, to pick these kids up and bring them to school so that they could at least try to pass the test.
- I've only been there for a couple months and these are my observations. She has been teaching there for years.
She probably lets the kid wear headphones because if she doesn't, then he won't come to school at all - and nothing gets solved this way.
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This is the parents fault and in another thread when I said maybe mothers should stay home and raise these kids. You know what response I got to that. Let's just say know one agreed with me.
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yes. Because it starts at home. Yes the teacher should tell the kid to remove the headphones but a teacher wouldn't have to with my kids. Why is that
It's NOT because your wife was at home with them. It's because you and she taught them basic manners. My three year old uses some great manners that we've taught her and both my husband and I work 45 + hours per week. She says "thank you" when someone compliments her, or gives her something. She says "excuse me" when she burps (without being prompted).
It's not solely mom's responsibility to teach manners either. My husband is an active participant in this - and he needs to be. Step into the new millennium, mox. In today's economy, both parents working is damn near a requirement. More power to the people that are able to afford to have one parent stay home. I wish we were one of those families.
Frankly, your need to repeatedly denigrate working mothers has grown very tiresome and is completely insulting to all of the successful working women that I know (not just including myself here). [/rant]
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Muni~I've been in your position, it's not an enviable task. You gave it your shot, the kid didn't respond. The only other thing you may have tried would be too ask the kid to remove his headphones and add in some of the suggested "I'm not yelling at you, why are you yelling at me" type approach.
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I would have handled that Completely Different.
" You have failed at your assigned task. I have information that will help you do it better and/or will demonstrate the correct procedure. This will require that you SHUT UP and PAY ATTENTION. Otherwise, I won't waste my time and you may continue to fail, and perhaps next year in the same grade you will do better."
I would have started with "Get those headphones off and turn off the music, do it NOW or I will do it for you, and I will guarantee you will not like the way I get it done."
You approached this kid like you were the freaking maid. Either take charge or give up and quit. No teacher I ever had would have tolerated the headphones.
Edit - Your thread title is wrong. There was no teaching that happened in this exchange. You failed in your assigned task. Do you even know exactly what was wrong with the original paper?
Just do the exact opposite of everything in the quotes and you'll be off to a good start 
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Every situation was different, but when I taught at the school for expelled kids, some days, I considered the day successful if the kids were just quiet.
It didn't matter if they didn't learn a damn thing. If they were quiet, listening to me as I told them stories about US History or Government (even if it had nothing to do with the lesson), I considered it a success.
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This is the parents fault and in another thread when I said maybe mothers should stay home and raise these kids. You know what response I got to that. Let's just say know one agreed with me.
it's the parents fault their kid has headphones on in school?
yes. Because it starts at home. Yes the teacher should tell the kid to remove the headphones but a teacher wouldn't have to with my kids. Why is that
It's NOT because your wife was at home with them. It's because you and she taught them basic manners. My three year old uses some great manners that we've taught her and both my husband and I work 45 + hours per week. She says "thank you" when someone compliments her, or gives her something. She says "excuse me" when she burps (without being prompted).
It's not solely mom's responsibility to teach manners either. My husband is an active participant in this - and he needs to be. Step into the new millennium, mox. In today's economy, both parents working is damn near a requirement. More power to the people that are able to afford to have one parent stay home. I wish we were one of those families.
Frankly, your need to repeatedly denigrate working mothers has grown very tiresome and is completely insulting to all of the successful working women that I know (not just including myself here). [/rant]
let me change what I said to one parent needs to stay home with the children. I just used mother because that is who stayed home with my children. Yes my children are the way they are because my wife stayed home. I hope your daughter turns out to be everything you hope. BUT. I'm old fashioned and in the old generations both parents didn't work and I believe children turned out better than.
As for both parents having to work I don't agree with because my wife didn't work outside the home and we did fine and this was on 17 to 20 thousand yr. in the 80s.
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Mox, man, you're barking up the wrong tree with the "one parent needs to stay home with the kids" thing in my opinion.
Ask anyone on here - they'll tell you I'm "old fashioned" as well. Growing up, my dad worked 5 1/2 to 6 days a week, my mom worked 5 days a week. They had 4 kids. One is a successful business owner, another, at age 47, is contemplating retirement due to his success, there's me (good bad or indifferent), and my little sis who is a physical therapist.
All of us have good manners. We all did well in school. Everyone of us is a college grad and 2 of "them" went further than a 4 yr. degree.
My son grew up in a "broken" home. Heck, his mom had more sleep overs than some motels. He is one of the most well mannered kids you'll ever come across - and I still hear that from people, even though he's 22 and on his own - a RN. My daughter is as mild mannered and well behaved as any kid you've come across. Polite, considerate, etc - and that's not just me saying that.
I work full time, and my wife works full time.
It doesn't take a stay at home parent for a kid to grow up "right", or good.
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it's the parents fault their kid has headphones on in school?
It's the parents fault that nobody ever taught this kid an ounce of respect.
I graduated from high school in 1984 and I can pretty much guarantee you that had I done that, every teacher I had (male teachers anyway) would have knocked those headphones right off my head.. then sent me to the office, where I quite likely would have gotten a paddle to the arse.. then the call home would have precipitated the "I'm so disappointed in you" talk from my mom... then that night my dad would have come home and probably yanked me off the basketball team.
This kid walked away thinking his behavior was perfectly acceptable.... and if he's in high school now, it's going to be very hard if not impossible to change that behavior.
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Agreed.
Parent's fault that he didn't have the sense going in, teacher's fault that he didn't have it coming out.
Call it a "missed teaching opportunity".
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My Grandmother (both of her parents worked too) - grew up during the Depression (you know, part of that older generation you're talking about) had to work, as did my Grandfather. They had 8 babies and Grandpa was a private business owner. His business SUCKED since his business partner ran off with the company's money. Any money Grandpa had coming in went back to the business to build it up. Grandma's money paid the bills and bought groceries.
Seven of the children are still around. The one that isn't suffered from scizophrenia. Which is hereditary, but nothing to do with how my grandparents raised their children. Uncle 1: not sure his exact title but he supervises the auditors at the IRS - not glamorous, but... Uncle 2: a CFO in a large corporation...Uncle 3: the one that passed away, but he was a minister before his passing. Mom: a National Sales Manager at a Fortune 500 company...Aunt 1: an RN, Uncle 4: a high school principal...Aunt 2: a child psychologist...Aunt 3: a teacher.
I'd say all the kids turned out darned good, even with both of their parents working. All have college degrees, are successful in their chosen careers and have fantastic families (spouses and kids). They're all polite, well-mannered, intelligent people, as their children are as well.
I was raised in a 2 income household and my sister and I both turned out to be people that are the types of people you're claiming come from stay-at-home parent households. My sister and I each have a college degree, are intelligent, very well-mannered (sometimes to the point of being old fashioned - we still write hand written thank you notes) our friends ask us to be Godparents to their children, we do volunteer work and help out our other friends or family need.
It's not about the number of hours you spend with your child. It's about how you spend the hours with them. It held true back in the day and still does today. I know I'm not going to change your mind, I don't intend to. You just need to stop talking down about the people that need to have both parents working, or even the people where both parents WANT to work. You're completely insulting to all of us that have raised WONDERFUL children even with two of us working.
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You and DC came from a home environment where things like school mattered and your parent or parents made sure that was understood.
In the new U.S., it seems most kids come from the "I'm entitled" era. The "how dare you expect me to work for that" era.
And, sadly, it's only going to get worse. What people don't understand is we could throw $1 trillion at the issue - it's not the money - it's the lack of desire on the kids/parents/parent part. It's the lack of respecting the process, so to speak.
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It's not about the number of hours you spend with your child. It's about how you spend the hours with them. It held true back in the day and still does today. I know I'm not going to change your mind, I don't intend to. You just need to stop talking down about the people that need to have both parents working, or even the people where both parents WANT to work. You're completely insulting to all of us that have raised WONDERFUL children even with two of us working.
Exactly right. It is the quality and not the quantity that matters. As long as there is some time spent with them everyday. To be quite honest, the stay at home moms I know have much more unruly children than the ones whos parents both work.
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Ah - I know many families where both parents work and the kids are great - many where both parents work and the kids are terrible.
I know many families where one parent is a stay at home parent and the kids are great, and many where there is a stay at home parent and the kids are terrible.
It all comes down to discipline (and I don't mean spanking, making threats, etc) and rules - and making sure the kids understand the rules and what is expected of them.
Believe it or not, kids WANT to know what the boundaries are - they want to know what is expected of them.
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I am a grad student who sits in this class one day a week. This was my fifth week. It isn't my place to tell him to take off his headphones when his regular teacher was in the room and she didn't say anything to him.
So if you aren't an authority figure in the classroom, I guess you aren't perceived as one by the students, and him not taking the headphones off suddenly doesnt sound like a big deal.
Do you know the schools policy on headphones/music devices? I assume it is not allowed anytime during school hours.
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1) Get control of the situation. You did not control the situation, the student controlled you. "Have a seat, please remove your headphones, jacket, and have a seat over here, etc. It is also helpful to remove a student like this from his comfort zone, so have them move to a location other than their normal spot in the room, etc. You may want to even walk them to a different room. The more small steps you get them taking from your direction the better control you can establish.
2) Set the agenda. Did you read his report? Did you know where it was lacking, and have specific guidance to offer? Do you have the authority to do anything for the student? Does the student know this?
3) Always use specific examples when going over his/her work. "Tell me what you learned about the subject. Why did you choose to take this route? What if you had structured this part this way instead? etc."
4) Get a few really good books on selling, and read them. You will learn a great deal about how to establish control in an environment where the other person is likely to be on guard, and even hostile/resentful. Seriously .... read a few really good sales books by people like Zig Ziglar, Ken Blanchard, and others. You need to be able to capture your audience's (student's) attention from the start, and these types of authors will give you information that can prove helpful when trying to stay in control of a student/class. You need to be able to make that one on one bridge, which is much harder than working with kids in a larger setting. Reading some of this type of material might help with how to set up your sales environment, disarm your "customer", and make your sale ..... which is a one on one education opportunity. I truly wish that every teacher would read at least a few really good books on selling ...... because that is really what you are doing. You are selling an education ..... and unless the kids are buying, you won't do a bit of good.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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This is just another example of why I would never want to be a teacher. You couldn't pay me enough to try to control an unruly enviroment like that. I feel sorry for the teacher that has to put up with that each day. I'm about as mild mannered as you will see, but it would be frustrating as hell, when you're putting your heart and soul into something, and you have kids & parents that could careless what you're trying to accomplish. Like hell on earth.
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I'm still curious to hear about the policy on headphones. Muni said he stopped the kid as he was walking in to 4th period. Maybe headphones are allowed until the bell rings, and the student just looked at muni as "some dude" in the class.
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That's what I feel like right now. Many people on this post have commented that parents/guardians are responsible. - And they are 100% correct.
As for the people on here who think it is as easy as telling these kids to have some respect and advise me to take a hard line approach towards the issue - this is laughable. Sure I wanted to tell the kid to take off his darn headphones, but what do you think this would have done? Either he would have taken off the headphones and gaffed everything off that came out of my mouth, (like he did anyway) or he would have walked out of the classroom and we wouldn't have seen him for the rest of the day or week. - Not to mention that I have seen his teacher and other teachers take a hardline stance with students - and they have received zero results.
I think what kids like this need is a consistent classroom setting with one teacher. - Similar to what all of us had from k-6. The special ed kids in this school, especially those with behavioral issues, need to be placed in a homeroom setting. Clear rules need to be communicated, along with behavioral and attendance expectations.
However, this isn't going to happen. Under the IDEA, students are to be educated in the least restrictive environment. - Which means separate general education classrooms whenever appropriate. So much due process that gets in the way of necessary reform.
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I'm still curious to hear about the policy on headphones. Muni said he stopped the kid as he was walking in to 4th period. Maybe headphones are allowed until the bell rings, and the student just looked at muni as "some dude" in the class.
No, I wrote this happened after 4th period began.
Did the kid see me as some dude in the class? - Not a chance. His teacher introduced me to the students during my first visit there, and she told the students that I was to be referred to as Mr. "". - The kid knew who I was, he was trying to act like Joe Cool and it pissed me off and that's why I brought it up here. Some people on here think this is as easy as telling these kids to behave or else. - Hilarious because this approach has been tried so many times, and has failed.
Somebody else asked if I had a chance to read the report prior to addressing the student. - Of course not, and this is why I asked the student if his report included anything about Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Roberto Duran... - I mentioned this in the initial post. All I knew is that the report had to be rewritten within the next week.
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