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I'm more curious about the staff that's coming with him at this point.
That's my concern as well. We need to remember that he won't be the o.c. here, and more than likely not calling the plays. Let's hope we don't get someone with zero to little experience in that department.
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How does Holmgren negotiate a FAIR contract with Shurmur when they have the same agent?
This does feel kind of fishy, honestly. But I'm all aboard. This is what you wanted when you wanted Mangini fired, Browns Fan.
I've said for weeks: be careful what you wish for.
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I'm more curious about the staff that's coming with him at this point.
That's my concern as well. We need to remember that he won't be the o.c. here, and more than likely not calling the plays. Let's hope we don't get someone with zero to little experience in that department.
He'll call the plays.
Almost all head coaches who previously were West Coast Offense offensive coordinators call the plays as head coach.
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Refs, go ahead and move this if you want.
Not to get off track on the Shurmer bashing, but I thought this was worth a watch.
Talks about Morningwheg working with Vick. Mostly fluff, but worth a looky. I've never seen Marty in front of a camera, so it was a little revealing to see him talk.
Woops, forgot the linky... 
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Refs, go ahead and move this if you want.
Not to get off track on the Shurmer bashing, but I thought this was worth a watch.
Talks about Morningwheg working with Vick. Mostly fluff, but worth a looky. I've never seen Marty in front of a camera, so it was a little revealing to see him talk.
Woops, forgot the linky...
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Uh-oh, Pat Shurmur was born in Dearborn Heights, Michigan and went to Michigan State! Okay, who has the crosses for his lawn? 
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This does feel kind of fishy, honestly. But I'm all aboard. This is what you wanted when you wanted Mangini fired, Browns Fan
Holy crap, dude. Seriously. Drop it. No one finds this "character" entertaining, and it isn't working in trying to position yourself as "higher" than others. It's a joke.
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Yeah, I'm hoping that's the case and it just hasn't been made public.
Why make it public? We were told we would be informed after a interview.
If no interview, no disclosure.
At least we aren't like Denver and haven't been turned down by 3 coaches.
The reason is we were up front from the beginning rather than bring guys in and then spell out the constraints.
Let them know before hand the basic parameters of the job, then see who is interested and roll from there.
Denver has a PR nightmare at this point.
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If true I'm not overly upset with the hire at all. We get a young offensive minded coach. I don't like the first time HC route again necessarily but it is what it is. We keep Ryan as DC so we keep the 34....means adding pieces instead of blowing it up. I'm on board with that. The question becomes who does he hire as the offensive coordinator? Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
This means I think we're now a lock to grab AJ Green at #6 in the draft IMO. I still think he gets fired in 2 years though. But in the meantime (again IF true) welcome aboard Pat!
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All I can say is that I really hope that Mularkey, Shurmer and Fewell aren't the only candidates that we reached out to.
i thought we were going to cast a wide net in the search for the new coach. They interview three guys??? hmmmm.
Its the coordinators that will make this thing work- so hopefully Holmgren can come up with some experienced guys here to help the rookie coach.
It will be interesting to see if Ryan stays on as defensive coordinator, and if thats the case- wouldn't it have just made more sense to keep Mangini and can Daboll??
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The only comment I have on this Lamonte thing is - that while I don't like it and it does make me a little unfcomfortable, this guy has been with Holmgren practically since birth and Mike hasn't seemed to struggle a whole heck of a lot because of it.
The guy represents some solid people. I'm trying not to get too caught up in it those 'behind the scenes' details.
I'm more curious about the staff that's coming with him at this point.
Lamonte is Shurmers agent,, Heckert worked with Shurmer for years in Philly.. can some tell me which meant more? and does it even matter.
If this is the guy that Holmgren wants to hang his hat on,, then which reason is he that guy.
1. Lamonte client: if this is the only criteria,, wow, we could be in trouble.. does anyone think that Holmgren would stake his own rep on this guy if that was the ONLY REASON?
2. He's worked with Heckert for years and Heckert knows him well,, he's a student of Andy Reid who is a student of Holmgren and Shurmer runs some type of WCO like Holmgren likes.
3. Maybe, just maybe, he did a good job in the interview and made a believer of Holmgren.,
Probably some of all of those things,, but I highly doubt it's simply because he's a lamonte client..
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Well at least they didn't rush things and made sure they got the right guy.
first off, have they hired him or is it just rumor? Second, maybe they got the right guy?
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We haven't hired him, but it is assumed that he will be named head coach before the end of the week. Quote:
The Cleveland Browns have completed their interview process and are in talks with St. Louis Rams offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur to become their head coach, league sources said Wednesday.
The Browns expect to announce the move Thursday, when Shurmur's agent, Bob LaMonte, comes to Cleveland to finalize the deal. LaMonte's clients also include Browns president Mike Holmgren, general manager Tom Heckert and executive vice president Bryan Wiedmeier.
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All I can say is that I really hope that Mularkey, Shurmer and Fewell aren't the only candidates that we reached out to.
You never know. We may have reached out to several more and were declined.
I'm sure that's the case. As I said, who wants to be in Mike H's shadow? except somebody who won't get that job in any other way.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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This does feel kind of fishy, honestly. But I'm all aboard. This is what you wanted when you wanted Mangini fired, Browns Fan
Holy crap, dude. Seriously. Drop it. No one finds this "character" entertaining, and it isn't working in trying to position yourself as "higher" than others. It's a joke.
He's also right. who is beating down the door to coach here? nobody.
Except for folks who happen to have the same agent as the prez.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I have a serious question. What happened to the wide ranging search that would involved every level of college and professional football in the search for exactly the right man to be the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns? I think he interviewed 3 people.  That's searching high and low for the right guy? I think that Holmgren knew who he was going to hire, and decided before the circus started. Oh well, I hope this guy can do better than the last 10 or so. Yeah, I know that we've had a winning coach in there ..... but no one who could win a Super Bowl. That needs to be the question from now on ..... "Can this guy win the Super Bowl if he has talent that is comparable to other coaches in the league?". Frankly, I have questions, and doubts. I feel extremely let down, and feel that we didn't even look at other candidates who were, at least, deserving of a look.
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Well, if it's Shurmur, it's Shurmur...I'm not excited and rather very skeptic about the choice, this is screaming nepotism all around...but it's still the 1st time a proven NFL guy hires the HC....so, I'll go back to wait and see mode
2 stats I don't like if it's Shurmur....STL's 4.6yds/play and 33% 3rd down conversions were even worse than our numbers...while STL has a worse OL and pretty bad talent all around on Offense it's still not great enough a job to promote him to HC imho...but in Bob LaMonte we trust....I guess
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Really??? What the heck... I don't like this hire at all... I sure as hell hope I'm wrong... but it sure seems Mike is just bringing in a guy he can use as a puppet...
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Really??? What the heck... I don't like this hire at all... I sure as hell hope I'm wrong... but it sure seems Mike is just bringing in a guy he can use as a puppet...
OBEY YOUR MASTER!
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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That may be the first time ever that I can say this .....
Ready? Don't fall over ........
I agree with you.
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All we can do is hope for the best, and hope to hell that Holmgren knows what he's doing.
By the way, this may be MH's first official hire, but in many ways it's his second coach, since he opted to keep Mangini last year around this time.
Obviously he didn't like the result of his his first "coaching decision" as Prez.
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The one thing I definitely do not want to hear is this:
"I'll act as my own offensive coordinator. "
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man, what happened to all that trust we were putting in MH?
all i know is, maybe it's a good thing fans aren't that excited about shurmur. when we were excited about the choice, it never worked out.
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man, what happened to all that trust we were putting in MH?
all i know is, maybe it's a good thing fans aren't that excited about shurmur. when we were excited about the choice, it never worked out.
well to be honest NOTHING has worked out over the past couple of years... so excited or not it doesn't matter... I said I was going to trust MH... but this really just seems like (as others have said) he just hired someone he wanted from the begining without really looking at all his options... we'll see...
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man, what happened to all that trust we were putting in MH?
all i know is, maybe it's a good thing fans aren't that excited about shurmur. when we were excited about the choice, it never worked out.
It's really similar to all the hope stirred up by the hiring of Savage. I'll support the new coach (not blindly), what I really don't look forward to tanking the next two years.
All puppet jokes aside, I don't think Mike H had a huge net out. Truth is, there wasn't a lot of fish in the sea who would come here.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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That may be the first time ever that I can say this .....
Ready? Don't fall over ........
I agree with you.
A memorable moment.... 
Let's hope our skepticism is unwarranted and he turns out to be a decent HC, IF it's him....I was 100% sure Mangini was a fail because I saw him work in NY AND Lerner hired him so quickly....Shurmur otoh I know little about and it was MH not Lerner...I guess what I'm trying to say is: there's some hope
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I just realised after all this time I didn't even know what the Shurminator (you love it) looks like... *Googles*Hmmm... Is it weird that my first thought was along the lines of "Well he looks like he could be a good Head Coach"
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I sure hope so. I have this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach though. I mean ... the 26th ranked offense ... and fans complaining about him being predictable and having poor sideline management skills ....... that sounds really, really familiar. Of course, the Rams had some talent that was comparable to our own, so that could have something to do with it. However, I haven't heard anyone screaming for Brian Daboll to be the next head coach either ........ I gotta tell you though ..... averaging 37 pass attempts per game really worries me. I don't see that as a way to win in the AFC North. We averaged 5 yards/play last year, and the Rams averaged 4.6. We converted 37% of our 3rd downs, and they converted 33%. They did score 1.2 more points/game than us though, so that's something. Man this pick fills my very soul with dread.
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He has a lot of press conferences on the Rams website if you want to see him in "action".
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Just clicking
Emotion tells me Holmgren is running his own retirement program for his friends with Lerner's money.
Logic tells me to wait and see.
Emotion tells me I have been waiting way to damn long as it is.
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Pat Shurmur is a long way from retirement age. He's in his 40s.
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I can retire on the money he's going to make for just sitting at home after he gets fired in 2 years. Will we be done paying Mangini or Crennel by that time?
And yes, I know we only pay the difference in the new contract Crennel signed as defensive coordinator.
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FTR, I am with Django and YTown.. I am very uneasy with Shurmer
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I compared the offensive stats of the Browns/Rams/Patriots
Total First Downs
Browns: 265 Rams: 292 Pats: 335
First Downs Rushing/Passing/By Penalty
Browns: 87/154/24 Rams: 84/179/29 Pats: 119/196/20
Third Down Conversions
Browns: 75/202 Rams: 78/235 Pats: 95/197
Fourth Down Conversions
Browns: 5/7 Rams: 8/15 Pats: 7/14
Total Offensive Yards
Browns: 4635 Rams: 4846 Pats: 5820
Offensive Plays/Average Yards Per Play
Browns: 927/5 Rams: 1053/4.6 Pats: 986/5.9
Total Rushing Yards
Browns: 1646 Rams: 1578 Pats: 1973
Rushing Plays/Average Yards Per Play
Browns: 413/4 Rams: 429/3,7 Pats: 454/4.3
Total Passing Yards
Browns: 2989 Rams: 3268 Pats:3847
Passing Plays Completions/Attempts/Interceptions/Average Yards Per Play
Browns: 296/487/18/6.7 Rams: 354/590/15/6 Pats: 331/507/5/7.9
Sacks
Browns: 29 Rams: 43 Pats: 36
Touchdowns Rushing/Passing/Returns/Defensive
Browns: 13/13/0/3 Rams: 9/18/0/0 Pats: 19/37/3/6
Time of Posssession
Browns: 28:21 Rams:31:01 Pats: 29:24
Turn Over Ratio
Browns: -1 Rams: +5 Pats: +28
Passing Rating
McCoy: 74.5 Bradford: 76.5 Brady: 111.0
Leading Rusher Attempts/Average Yards Per Rush
Peyton Hillis: 270/1177
Steven Jackson: 330/1241
BenJavus Green-Ellis: 229/1008
Leading Receivers Rec/Yards
Ben Watson: 68/763
Danny Amendola: 85/689
Wes Walker: 86/848
You can take what you want from these stats, It tells me that we have a long way to go to compare to a team like the Patriots and that we are already about equal to the Rams. Maybe we should go after the Pats OC.
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I just realised after all this time I didn't even know what the Shurminator (you love it) looks like...
You beat me to it.
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And he'll probably do well there.
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Man this pick fills my very soul with dread.
 Dear Lord, exaggerate much?
The Mangini crowd really, really needs to climb down off the ledge on this one.
How about we actually let them sign the guy, watch his presser and watch,oh, say 1 or 2 games before we bring out the hyperbole and the noose?
If a person didn't know better he'd have to assume you guys would prefer to go back to the days of Dwight Clark and Carmen Policy running the team. I hope that isn't true.
I'm a season ticket holder and have been for a while. I've seen my share (as have all of you) of crappy football here in Cleveland. But I was willing to let Mangini run the team last year when Holmgren gave him a second life because I trust the guys running the team. Something I have not been able to say with conviction since '99.
I'm hoping the naysayers that I've seen here this week can afford the FO the same courtesy for a short time while the new regime gets it's "sea-legs". Hell, for all we know this guy could end up being the answer to our prayers. I sure hope so.
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Pat Shurmur is a long way from retirement age. He's in his 40s.
I think Holmgren was about the same age when he got his first head Coaching job in GB.
Pat Shurmur's stats as an OC are not as important as what type of leader he is.
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