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Not a new article, but I've been thinking about what we should be looking for from our young QB to decide whether he was "The Guy", or if we should be looking QB in the next draft.
Dave********** Being a QB isn't easy, but the very best share some common traitsBy Steve Wyche NFL.com Senior Writer Published: Aug. 28, 2009 Updated: Sept. 2, 2009 Six seconds were on the clock, enough time for one play to move the team into field-goal range. And enough time for a rookie quarterback to show whether or not he had "it." Matt Ryan surveyed the line of scrimmage, read the Chicago Bears' defense and diagnosed that the only Atlanta Falcons receiver running a route deep enough and close enough to get out of bounds was Michael Jenkins. Ryan took the snap and, under duress from Bears defensive tackle Tommie Harris and the game clock, threw a 26-yard pass where only Jenkins could catch it. After Jenkins caught it with one second left, Jason Elam booted a game-winning, 48-yard field goal, and Ryan's star was born. On one play, in five seconds, Ryan showcased the traits of a great quarterback: poise, leadership, confidence, intelligence, accuracy and execution. For months, we were told Ryan had "it," the same mystical trait that made Joe Montana, Dan Marino and John Elway so special and helps Peyton Manning and Tom Brady enjoy great success. In that season-turning moment, Ryan confirmed "it." "That 'it' factor is the ability to instill confidence in others for a swagger," New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said. "All the successful ones have the 'it' factor, a certain charisma about them. When it comes to how you play the game, they throw with great accuracy, great anticipation. There's an ability to make clutch plays, an ability to make smart decisions, good decisions in critical situations." There's nothing easy about being an NFL quarterback. Those who take the position for granted -- as Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick recently said he did when he played for the Falcons -- find out their effectiveness wanes, as does their shelf life. Those who eat it, sleep it, work at it and live it tend to be the quarterbacks who make names for themselves and keep their teams in contention year after year. From the moment a quarterback takes his first NFL breath, he is expected to be the first one in the building and the last one out. He must know every offensive player's role and every opposing defense's tendencies and deal with paranoid coaches who realize their job security often hinges on the quarterback's effectiveness, or lack thereof. Expectations always are high. They always have been for quarterbacks. The survivors thrive off the demands and pressures. The could-have-beens, never-lived-up-to-their-potentials and flat-out busts either can't handle the enormity of the position or don't work hard enough to flip the grandeur of playing the position in their favor. "We want to be leaders -- we've been leaders all of our lives," Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said. "We enjoy the ball in our hands. We enjoy the pressure. We enjoy the opportunity with the odds against you at times, when you're playing on the road or with the expectations very high when you're at home. I think you have to have a special personality, a moxie about you to inspire your teammates but also never lose confidence in yourself. That's the most important thing a quarterback can have." Quarterbacks no longer can be game managers. They must make plays. The Baltimore Ravens and Tampa Bay Buccaneers won Super Bowls earlier this decade in spite of their quarterbacks. But the New York Giants, New England Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers won because of them. Tom Brady to Deion Branch; Eli Manning to David Tyree, then Plaxico Burress; Ben Roethlisberger to Santonio Holmes. A delay in their delivery, an inability to escape a rush, cracking under a dwindling play clock -- any minute flaw could have changed the outcome and the legacies for those quarterbacks. "Teams that have won the Super Bowl have franchise-style quarterbacks," Buffalo Bills quarterback Trent Edwards said. "Each year, it's the Ben Roethlisbergers, Eli Mannings, Peyton Mannings -- those guys are taking their teams deep into the playoffs, which seems like every January and February, and that's kind of what an organization needs in order to get to that level and that's an organization's goal. You obviously need to go and find a quarterback that can get you there." That is why the Bears gave up coveted draft picks for Pro Bowl quarterback Jay Cutler and the New York Jets handed the Cleveland Browns similar compensation to move up and take Mark Sanchez fifth overall in the April draft. It's also why the Tennessee Titans and Arizona Cardinals awarded veterans Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner, respectively, two-year, multi-million, free-agent contracts this offseason, despite having former top-10 draft picks Vince Young and Matt Leinart on their rosters. Collins and Warner have shown they can handle everything that comes with the position. Young and Leinart haven't -- on and off the field. They're arguably known more for their off-the-field lifestyles/issues rather than their on-field production -- although Young did flash promise as a rookie. They're prime examples that being a quarterback in the NFL is more than having the big arm and collegiate success. A quarterback must be diligent and aware, on and off the field, because he will be judged at every turn (see Tony Romo, Vick, Brett Favre, Cutler). "There are plenty of guys who have come into this league, their priorities are a little messed up, and not just QBs," former St. Louis Rams and Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Trent Green said. "They get some money and get some fame and then they're out of the league in two or three years. It's much more under the microscope at the QB position because you are the leader of the team, leader of the organization, so how that is handled is crucial for players and crucial for organizations." Maturity is hard to gauge, which is why teams spend so much time doing their due diligence on draft prospects and potential free agents. A big arm can overshadow a bad temper. Leadership can skew perceptions of a quarterback's inability to diagnose a defense. Some coaches also believe they can fix bad habits or put players in proper schemes, red flags aside. Good quarterbacks share common traits, according to several current and former players, coaches and personnel evaluators. Decision-making skills and accuracy rank at the top. Poise, leadership and guile rated highly. Rarely was arm strength or physical size mentioned. "They do have to be accurate," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "They have to be guys who can make solid decisions, week after week, season after season. The ones that you see over a period of time -- the Peyton Mannings, Tom Bradys, Drew Breeses, Philip Riverses, Eli Mannings, Donovan McNabbs -- those guys have had some staying power or the potential to because they're accurate and make good decisions. Some guys, they throw it well, they do it well, but they're a half-second too late constantly, so they struggle." Said Ryan, the 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year: "Accuracy is No. 1 -- accuracy and timing. You've got to be on time and you've got to be in the right spot. So as far as the physical part, I think that's huge. The mental part, you've got to stay poised, you've got to stay relaxed, but at the same time, you've got to be intense enough to lead your guys and take them on the field. So you kind of have to toe the line between those two, and if you can do that, I think you can be pretty successful." Added former NFL coach Dick Vermeil: "First, he's got to be able to throw the ball accurately. Some guys can throw, throw, throw, and they'll miss two or three passes in the ball game that can mean the difference in winning and losing, and if they miss them, they lose. They hit them, they win. Can you throw the ball accurately -- under pressure? Are you distracted by the things that happen in front of you? Are you distracted by coverages?" The slightest flaw can unseat a career. The slightest strength can prolong one. No quarterback is perfect, but as long as he strives to be, he has a chance. "When you get thrown into the fray and stuff is just flying around you at 100 miles per hour, it's your ability to take a deep breath and slow everything down and make sure guys in the huddle see that," Brees said. "In the end, they're going to react the way that you do. If you get flustered, that shows to them. If you show composure, it puts them at ease. The great ones put everyone at ease." http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story/09000d5...e-common-traits
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Would have fit nicely in the existing McCoy thread to discuss the attributes within the article within that thread that is doing just that. Quote:
On one play, in five seconds, Ryan showcased the traits of a great quarterback: poise, leadership, confidence, intelligence, accuracy and execution.
That's a good summary of needed qualifications....covers everything succinctly. Some involved cross-sections of another, but for the most part this is what it boils down to.
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Would have fit nicely in the existing McCoy thread to discuss the attributes within the article within that thread that is doing just that.
I disagree, but I'll leave it to the Refs to decide whether to merge it or delete it.
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Did I miss it, or did they say nothing about Arm strength, hand size or physical height? 
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Most of the comments by experts seem to stress accuracy, accuracy, and accuracy - in that order - as being most important.  After that, execution and poise. Not a lot of talk about mobility and pocket awareness either, which I think are pretty important.
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...the traits of a great quarterback: poise, leadership, confidence, intelligence, accuracy and execution.
I actually have all those traits. Unfortunately, it's only during the time I'm sitting on the commode.
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Quarterbacks no longer can be game managers.
Unfortunately, that's been a hopeful high mark for any QB who's been behind center for the Browns.
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The Baltimore Ravens and Tampa Bay Buccaneers won Super Bowls earlier this decade in spite of their quarterbacks.
Yet Trent Dilfer joins the talking heads and sits on set with an air about him as though he'd actually done something in the NFL other than, well, nothing for the Rats and being a cry baby when he was with Cleveland. I want to punch that pretender, smack in the middle of his arrogant face when I see him on TV.
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Good quarterbacks share common traits, according to several current and former players, coaches and personnel evaluators. Decision-making skills and accuracy rank at the top. Poise, leadership and guile rated highly. Rarely was arm strength or physical size mentioned.
We've pretty much had none of those characteristics in any of our QB's since our return. Each has had one or two, but none has had enough traits to put together a reasonable career. Garcia had the guile. Frye had some guile too but was badly overmatched vs. practically every opponent. DA had the arm strength and physical size.  The closest we've had to those characteristics are from the two veterans we have on the roster now. Unfortunately, Delhomme's days are behind him. Wallace has promise but after eight years he's not pushed for a starting role other than here.
That leaves us with Dan. He seems to have at least some promise on all the traits above. Decision making will come with experience if it ever does at all. Could he be the "exception to the rule" regarding smallish QB's? Maybe. Maybe not. One thing's for sure, he gives us an "excuse" for losing and makes even the losses interesting while we watch to see if he has "it". So we got that going for us.
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"Some guys, they throw it well, they do it well, but they're a half-second too late constantly, so they struggle."
And that's all it takes to define a career. The NFL highways are littered with guys like this laying along side the road. Many teams have wasted several years on guys like this hoping against hope that they'll improve. As said above, decision-making and accuracy rank the highest.
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Said Ryan, the 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year: "Accuracy is No. 1 -- accuracy and timing. You've got to be on time and you've got to be in the right spot.
And even if you have that you still must have a good receiving corp to put with it to be successful. We've always lacked that here. Not to say that receivers have been our main problem with our QBs not being effective, but most of our QBs didn't really have a chance when you look at the lack of necessary QB traits coupled with sub par receivers and inconsistent running game. One would think that in the years since our and solved at least part of this problem.
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"When you get thrown into the fray and stuff is just flying around you at 100 miles per hour, it's your ability to take a deep breath and slow everything down and make sure guys in the huddle see that," Brees said. "In the end, they're going to react the way that you do. If you get flustered, that shows to them. If you show composure, it puts them at ease. The great ones put everyone at ease."
I sure hope that sooner rather than later we can all be put at ease. Honestly, the closest I've come to that was this offseason watching Delhomme in preseason and in the first half of the opener up until he threw the pick-six. At that moment I realized that it ain't gonna be no bed or roses in Browns Town this year.
Wallace shows promise. He's accurate, mobile and makes pretty good decisions most of the time. Still, he lacks receivers. But I think we could win with Wallace while we look for our franchise QB.
Daniel "Colt" McCoy at this moment is the new toy. He's shinny, clean and looks like he could be a lot of fun. But like any new toy we lose interest if the fun is not consistent. Right now I don't expect him to lead us to wins. We're still going to lose. But here's hoping at the very least he doesn't become the reason we lose.
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I actually have all those traits. Unfortunately, it's only during the time I'm sitting on the commode.
After all the thousands upon thousands of words, by far the best post you've ever had.
And honestly, it made me laugh like hell. Almost spit soda all over my monitor.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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That leaves us with Dan. He seems to have at least some promise on all the traits above. Decision making will come with experience if it ever does at all. Could he be the "exception to the rule" regarding smallish QB's? Maybe. Maybe not. One thing's for sure, he gives us an "excuse" for losing and makes even the losses interesting while we watch to see if he has "it". So we got that going for us.
Did you mean Colt? Cause I don't think we have a Dan......
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Most of the comments by experts seem to stress accuracy, accuracy, and accuracy - in that order - as being most important. After that, execution and poise. Not a lot of talk about mobility and pocket awareness either, which I think are pretty important.
I agree about mobility and pocket awareness, although these go together hand-in-hand. Also, quick release. For example, Peyton Manning is great in all these factors, while he won't be running for first downs, he does move within the pocket very well. He can quickly side step to miss getting sacked or buy himself just enough time to throw the ball. And Peyton Manning has one of the fastest releases in football. This is key.
Ben Rothlisberger has great pocket awareness, he seems to be able to throw the ball just before he gets hit. And he moves very well to buy himself time in the pocket (or out of the pocket) to find a receiver. He can even outrun Willie McGinnest (one of my lowest points as a Browns fan)
But yeah, quickness, pocket awareness, and release are all very important because they buy the QB time to find their target. That and discipline, knowing that you're gonna get hit on a play, yet focusing completely on hitting your target
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I thought this article fit better here than in the "why Colt should start" column as it gets to what Holmgren see's in Colt's ability. I also highlighted a few areas I thought were of note, especially towards Holmgrens Vision of the latest re-build of the Cleveland Browns. Personally I am rather hopeful. Quote:
NEW ORLEANS, La. -- During a recent visit to Browns President Mike Holmgren's office, rookie quarterback Colt McCoy couldn't help but notice two photographs on the wall. One had Holmgren with Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana, the other depicted Holmgren with future Hall of Famer Brett Favre.
"He told me, 'I'm going to be on that wall right there, with Favre and Montana,'" Holmgren recalled. "He pointed to the photos and said, 'right there. That's where my picture is going to be.'"
Holmgren chuckled a little before responding: "whoa, slow down. I hope so."
"I said 'that would be wonderful if you could be up there. But let's take it one step at a time.'"
His caution established, Holmgren now says he was "very encouraged" by McCoy's performance last week in Pittsburgh and that maybe -- just maybe -- he could be looking at the Browns' quarterback of the future.
Now, they want to see if he can build on that performance Sunday in New Orleans, where he'll start in place of the injured Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace against the defending Super Bowl champion Saints.
"I was very proud of him Sunday and I told him that," said Holmgren, arguably the top quarterback expert in the NFL. "No one knew what he could do, and the feeling going into that game was 'oh boy.' The truth is, that was a heck of a game for a while. I was very, very pleased with how he played."
McCoy, who completed 23 of 33 attempts for 281 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions, played on the road against one of the NFL's top defenses and didn't flinch.
"That impressed me a lot, because that's a tough thing to be thrust into," said Holmgren. "They're a good team and it's a tough place to play. The game wasn't too big for him and he handled it well . I can't say I'm surprised, but I felt good about it, and he should, too."
Holmgren said one game isn't enough to fully assess McCoy, "but if he were to play four or five games, I'd probably be able to answer. And he gets to start another [Sunday] against a very good football team.
"In fact, I already do [have an idea], I think. But anyone can come in and have a really good game. What's encouraging to me is how he prepares, his work ethic, how he seriously works at his profession, how bright he is. There's all sorts of good stuff that I say, 'that's already in the can.' Now they just have to work with him and prepare him for the game, different throws and things like that."
Holmgren said the silver lining in the high ankle sprains suffered by Delhomme and Wallace is the opportunity to evaluate McCoy. The Browns figure to draft high again and have a shot at one of the many blue-chip quarterbacks coming out, including Washington's Jake Locker, Arkansas' Ryan Mallett and potentially Stanford's Andrew Luck.
"That's how I'm looking at it," he said. "I didn't want him to play, but then we wouldn't know. I mean, really know. He started off fine and I trust that we can continue."
Perhaps the most remarkable thing about McCoy's performance in Pittsburgh, Holmgren said, was that he barely got any reps in training camp or preseason -- and almost none with the starters.
Chuck Crow / The Plain Dealer: Colt McCoy against the Steelers "didn't do anything in the game that made me [shake my head and say] 'oh boy,'" said Mike Holmgren (watching McCoy during training camp). "On the contrary, I said, 'that's good. that's good.'"
"It's not like he had all this wealth of practice experience to rely on," he said. He kind of got thrown into the frying pan."
What's more, McCoy wasn't exactly throwing to an All-Pro cast of receivers. The unit has struggled, and both Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi were knocked out in the first half with concussions. McCoy will have Cribbs back against the Saints, but probably not Massaquoi.
"It's part of the three-year plan," said Holmgren. "If we can answer the quarterback question -- and I haven't said we answered it -- that's a huge deal. The other guys aren't as difficult."
Saints coach Sean Payton was also impressed with McCoy's debut.
"He was a player we liked coming out of Texas," said Payton. "Considering where he was starting that first game against that defense, I thought he handled it well. He showed poise and a great command of the offense. He's accurate and it certainly didn't look too big for him. When you watch the coaches tape, you're impressed because he's got that calmness under fire."
It's not too early, Payton said, for the Browns to be optimistic.
"One game can give you hope and you can get excited and build on that," he said. "It'd be too early to draw any conclusions, but certainly you'd be encouraged after the first outing."
Of course, Holmgren, who stepped in and called for the Browns to draft McCoy in the third round out of Texas, wants to temper the enthusiasm.
"Remember, I came out and said I didn't want him to play this year," he said. "But now it's kind of been taken out of our hands and here we go again. It's something that I didn't want to have happen here. It's gone on in the past with quarterbacks, but having said all of that, yeah, he didn't do anything in the game that made me [shake my head and say] 'oh boy.' On the contrary, I said, 'that's good. that's good.'"
Holmgren said he decided to draft McCoy after talking to people that knew him, including his former assistant Jon Gruden, who spent time with McCoy and the other top quarterbacks for an ESPN special.
"He really liked Colt and I trust Jon, and so that was another good thing," said Holmgren, who confirmed the one question he had was his arm strength.
"In college, he threw a lot of quick passes, so that, I didn't see enough of," said Holmgren. "He did a lot of great things running the ball, things you need to do in this league, but you've got to be able to do other things very well."
Is the arm strength good enough?
"We have to keep working on it and developing it," said Holmgren. "You don't have to have a rocket arm, but I think timing and anticipation and accuracy and all of those things, that has to be his game."
He said McCoy's lack of height -- he's 6-1 -- wasn't an issue.
"You have to see that they're good at throwing in lanes, and they have good vision," said Holmgren. "You don't want to see every other ball batted down, and typically those guys can move better. Then, if you have all the things Colt has in his makeup, his leadership and all the intangibles, now you've got a chance to have a really fine player."
Holmgren said he has no idea why he lasted until the third round, "but I'm glad we got him."
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LOL- Not surprised.
As far as hand size, mobility, pocket awareness, height.....any intangible like those can get looped into one of the major traits in Dave's article.
Pocket awareness, for example....I would place that under the POISE column.
Physical attributes would fall under ACCURACY and EXECUTION (IMO) because the more successful QBs that possess those certain desired traits are able to execute at a higher percentage. You have your exceptions to the rule at times, but we'd have to look at them more in depth to see if some of the other major traits were more deeply ingrained in them which allowed them to succeed in spite of their downfalls in some areas.
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One thing more than anything stands out to me when you're evaluating QB's.
You have got to be accurate. In fact I'm beginning to rank accuracy over anything else, with decision making in a close second.
Brady Quinn seemed ok with his decision making, but his accuracy was too off the mark. Yes he was timid but based on the decisions I saw him make, if they were accurate throws I think he would have been ok as a QB. But he's just too inaccurate.
Accuracy, decision making, leadership, pocket presence, toughness, elusiveness, arm strength, height. In that order.
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In the article they talk about the "It-Factor" ... call it charisma; that intangible quality that makes for good leaders. The fine line between confidence vs false bravado, urgency vs panic, calming influence vs stress-puppy, etc. It can't be faked, and its not of much use if the QB can't execute the physical part of his job. It remains to be seen if McCoy has all the tangibles - accuracy and execution - but it was heartening to read Steinbach's comments regarding his (McCoy's) calm demeanor and leadership ability in the huddle at Pittsburgh.
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Was that a shot?
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Of course. 
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you mean like being able to hit the FB in stride running out in the flats over perfectly while a LB is bearing down on you as you attempted to roll right at the goalline?
(sorry, was just looking for a good spot to put in what I thought was Colt's best throw yesterday even if Vickers did bobble the ball and get tackled)
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Do you think Vickers takes it 97 yards if he catches it?
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Do you think Vickers takes it 97 yards if he catches it?
I was talking about the play right after Wright's return on the NO goalline. Colt play-fakes, starts to roll right, but there's a LB in his face, so he throws a perfect pass to Vickers in the flat, but he bobbles it (still makes the catch).
he doesn't bobble it, he gets upfield and possibly scores (at least gets right near the goalline. instead, he gets tackled at the 5.
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The one that Vickers dropped when we were backed up near the goal-line probably wouldn't have gone the distance, but from the looks of it he might have rumbled for 25 or 30 yards - that whole side of the field appeared to be cleared out. Then there was the one where Vickers didn't look back for the ball ... he had a good day blocking, not so good receiving.
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