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IIRC the trade deadline is 4 PM tomorrow.
Do we make a move or just ride it out until the offseason?
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we need a receiver or two, but I'm not sure what we'd have to give to get something of value... any thoughts?
I understand that every player on the raiders is avaiable...LOL
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Who are some currently disgruntled WRs on their current teams? We desperately need a #1 WR. We should never give up on a season and in order to win, we NEED a legit WR threat. Mass just hasn't grown into the #1 WR role.
Who could we pry loose?
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I'd be in favor of packaging Sean Rogers and Eric Wright to a team but considering how thin we are at DB and DT I don't think it's a good idea.
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we need a receiver or two, but I'm not sure what we'd have to give to get something of value... any thoughts?
I understand that every player on the raiders is avaiable...LOL
Who could we trade away? Rogers. My buddy has been on this train for awhile and its only been making more and more sense to me. Or hell, a draft pick.... If Minnesota could get Randy Moss back for a third...pleeeez.
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It would not surprise me to see us trade away a guy like Rogers if we could get value in return. He really hasn't made many impact plays this year, and he is getting older and more expensive.
Speaking of impact players, I would love to see us find an impact DE/LB. I don't want a 31 year old guy at the cost of a 3rd or higher pick, because I don't think that would be worth it. I would settle for just a solid WR type if we could get one for a 4th or so. I think a solid WR would help the younger guys, and would bring a huge weapon the our offense. Given that McCoy had no trouble finding the TEs down the field, and even Moore when he lined up as a WR, that tells me that a guy like Robiske just isn't getting it.
Unfortunately, uncertainty over the CBA is going to really cause a lot of uncertainty in the league. The whole "Is he going to be an RFA or UFA?" comes into play ... and without a CBA ... who knows?
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Who are some currently disgruntled WRs on their current teams? We desperately need a #1 WR. We should never give up on a season and in order to win, we NEED a legit WR threat. Mass just hasn't grown into the #1 WR role.
Who could we pry loose?
Vincent Jackson?
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By Bill Williamson
The window for San Diego to trade holdout receiver Vincent Jackson is open again. Well, it’s cracked.
San Diego has until the 4 p.m. ET deadline Tuesday to deal Jackson. The window was closed for nearly three weeks because of a complicated formula that has to do with his holdout and a roster exemption the Chargers put on him.
Jackson had a contract worked out with Minnesota, but the Vikings couldn’t come to trade compensation terms with the Chargers. The Vikings won’t be interested since they have acquired receiver Randy Moss.
It’s unlikely that Jackson is dealt to any team. If not, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported last week that Jackson will report by Oct. 31 to accrue a season toward free agency. When he returns, Jackson will sit out for three week, but he will be able to practice. He’ll be eligible to play in the final six games of the season.
He's out for a while AND has some legal troubles. If he does come back to the team and accrue his time for URFA, they get nothing at the end of the year for him. So, I'd like to think the Chargers make the move now.
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I would try for Smith in Carolina or Lee Evans in Buffalo.
I think that a trade could be worked with a winless team. I would even go to a 3rd for Evans.
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I would absolutely give up a 3rd for Lee Evans... in a heartbeat. I'd even consider a 2nd when you think that you aren't likely to get a WR as good as him with a 2nd.
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We should give up draft picks and grab a cast-off WR, then package Rogers & Wright in a trade for a cast-off edge rusher because then we can win out and make the play-offs. I'm almost sure it would happen. 
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Heard on the radio Rogers was the last one off the field yesterday... walked alone helmet in hand... head down...looking like he did`nt want to be with this team anymore...
could it be maybe he was just ticked cause they lost again ?
Wright...has he become cocky ...Thinks he`s better then what he really is...
We could trade either of them for a WR....As most of us know... Great WR`s are head cases....IMO...give me a head case that can get open ..catch the ball...and freakin make something happen after the catch...
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I would try for Smith in Carolina or Lee Evans in Buffalo.
I think that a trade could be worked with a winless team. I would even go to a 3rd for Evans.
Good money says Lee Evans would want to come here,...
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we should go after Sidney Rice.....they got harvin, and moss.....if we made the right deal Im sure we could get him. Maybe Rodgers, and a 4th for him.
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I would absolutely give up a 3rd for Lee Evans... in a heartbeat. I'd even consider a 2nd when you think that you aren't likely to get a WR as good as him with a 2nd.
Lee Evans is very underrated. His QB's since he's been in the league his QB's have been Bledsoe's last year, Kelly Holcomb, J.P. Losman, Trent Edwards, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. With those QB's he's averaged 892 yards and 6.5 TD's per season (not including this year).
With that said, is he even available? Also, he'll be 30 next season.
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I think It would be rather hard to trade Rogers with his price tag and get much in return.
Not to mention him passing someone elses physical.
I would be elated to hear we made a trade for a veteran WR, but I am not holding my breath either.
I hate to deal draft picks below a 4th round pick unless there is an up side.
Meaning someone in his prime.
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I would be happy with a move for Lee Evans..I have always liked the guy.
another guy I would look into is Merriman..I know he had roid problems in the past..but I think he could really help us...He still posted double digit sacks a year removed from his roids...what messed him up was playing in that AFC title game with a torn knee....I say sign Merriman...let him rest and heal..make it a point he has to be healthy of the contract is void...if he gets healthy and comes back GREAT! next year we got a bona fide pass rusher who has a mean streak...I think Merriman could really help us...we need all the help we can get...
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Fans tend to undervalue players on other teams and nearly always overvalue players on their own team, sometimes by a very large margin.
Case in point, last year I was reading a Packers board back when their left tackle was getting burned over and over again. Naturally, they thought they could get Joe Thomas. The proposed deal? Aaron Kampman for JT, straight up. Someone figured that if they threw a 4th round pick in that it would seal the deal, and a lot of the posters agreed that it would be a fair trade.
Now there's nothing *that* lopsided suggested in this thread, but I still stand by the overriding point that we collectively tend to overestimate how much trade value our players have. For example, if Shaun Rogers was worth a 3rd round pick and change when he was a dominant player 3 years ago, he's worth a whole heck of a lot less now.
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I would litterally run full speed to Holmgrens office, barrel through the door kiss him straight on the mouth if we traded for Lee Evans.
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I wouldnt be surprised to see almost anyone moved ... I mean the young core I feel like is safe .. and any of this years draft picks are stayin put ... so i guess its not like the raiders where ANYONE is available for trade (have they just become a farm system?)
but if you told me that Wright, Cribbs, Rogers, ... even guys like Fujita, Elam, Coleman were sent packing ... I could still see a lot of turnover.
Someone posted it I think it was last year ... and it basically said dont get too fond of anyone during times of personnel changes whether its the GM or the Coach or both ...
Yeah Heckert will like some of the young talent we have like rubin, bernard, Thomas, Mack, Massaquoi maybe? ... but even if they are 'likeable" guys .. like a vickers or a cribbs .. they still could be gone. I mean .. half the board would be going crazy if in February I told you that we traded Jerome Harrison ... for mike bell ... the team is taking shape .. but as Holmgren said at the draft "I feel like we have a lot of holes .. and I only have so many thumbs to plug them all..."
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I wouldnt be surprised to see almost anyone moved ... I mean the young core I feel like is safe .. and any of this years draft picks are stayin put ... so i guess its not like the raiders where ANYONE is available for trade (have they just become a farm system?)
but if you told me that Wright, Cribbs, Rogers, ... even guys like Fujita, Elam, Coleman were sent packing ... I could still see a lot of turnover.
Someone posted it I think it was last year ... and it basically said dont get too fond of anyone during times of personnel changes whether its the GM or the Coach or both ...
Yeah Heckert will like some of the young talent we have like rubin, bernard, Thomas, Mack, Massaquoi maybe? ... but even if they are 'likeable" guys .. like a vickers or a cribbs .. they still could be gone. I mean .. half the board would be going crazy if in February I told you that we traded Jerome Harrison ... for mike bell ... the team is taking shape .. but as Holmgren said at the draft "I feel like we have a lot of holes .. and I only have so many thumbs to plug them all..."
I can see what you're getting at, but I couldn't see Vickers or Cribbs being moved. Even though they're not really "young" by NFL standards anymore, they are still part of the core of this team. We have holes to fill for sure, but that does not mean we can just ship off any talent we might have. By doing that you're trading one hole for another. You trade in areas that you have depth (i.e like we did at RB with harrison) or where there is an upside (i.e. an aging vet who plays very little, but still for whatever reason still has trade value *insert Rodgers here* for a pos. of need). That all being said, if we could move Rodgers + a pick for Lee Evans, or any other solid WR, I would be ecstatic.
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link from Bleacher talks about Lee Evans trade possibility.
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I actually just googled "Lee evans trade" and a few team rumors came up.. St. Louis and Oakland, so he probably won't be in Buffalo after tomorrow.
if we could get production at WR by giving up a backup.. I'm cool with it.
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Well i didnt mean to imply that we are looking to ship everyone out who isnt a heckert guy .. but I think if the price was right *(not 2 firsts ... but maybe if someone DID offer us a second ... or a 3rd and a 5th) even guys like vickers or cribbs could be gone ... heck they might not have enough faith in even guys like bernard or stuckey and could sell them off based on upside if someone said here's a 3rd for one of them ... but at that point I doubt it would happen becuase I am trying not to overvalue anyone on our team ...
that an al davis is running low on picks...
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Trade what ya can for next year draft picks, I.E. players that arnt in our future, save the money for FA this off season, why spend it it's not gonna help our playoff picture this year,
I do think Masiquie & Robiski will be ok but desperatly need a # 1 playing with them.
start Seneca / Delome but let Colt start a few games down the stretch to see if he does have it.
Resign Thomas & Roth to long term contracts.
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link from Bleacher talks about Lee Evans trade possibility.
Rogers for Evans might be the one trade I'd be excited about.
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Rogers for Evans might be the one trade I'd be excited about.
I can't think of anybody who wouldn't be happy for that trade, except for Rogers.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I would love to see Lee Evans here.
That being said, there's no way we're getting him, not for something as cheap as a Shaun Rogers straight up trade.
I think Rogers is done. The guy is either hurt, doesn't care anymore, or both.
Heck, we'd probably get more if we shipped them Rubin than Rogers.
If we're going to land Lee Evans, it's going to be for something substantial. Like draft picks or another of our younger good players.
I just don't see it happening, as much as I'd love to see it.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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The question becomes do the bills view Lee Evans' worth to be comparable or not with just getting an old (talented, but on the downside of his career) d lineman who may in fact be injured...
If evans even has a few years left in the league .. and the bills will need a veteran receiver (assuming) for when they draft a QB.. I dont know that they will be too likely to part with a player that they would like .. especially when they might only be renting rogers for 10 to 26 more games ... tops .. ? (I think its safe to assume rogers has about a 90% chance of being done by next year ... still could play more ... )
Plus ... poor rogers ... if he spent his entire career as a monster playing for the lions, us, then the bills ... wow
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I posted this in the other thread, but I can't see the Bills trading away Lee Evans, who is as good and positive a person as there is in this league for anything short of a bevy of valuable draft picks. He's exactly the type of player any coach not named Tomlin or Rex wants on their team. They certainly won't want a player who is extremely unmotivated after playing on crappy teams for a decade. "Welcome to Buffalo, Shaun!" How do you think that would go over? They know that wouldn't work.
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Hell, I'd send the Bills Robiske, Rogers and a 3rd for Evans. If they wanted me to, I'd re-sign Veikune and send him along too. 
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You guys are nuts, Lee Evans sucks.
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I mean, seriously?
Lee Evans sucks?
The guy consistently puts up good yards, and who have his QBs been? JP Losman? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Trent Edwards?
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* Lee Evans
* #83
* Wide Receiver
* Buffalo Bills
* Height: 5-10
* Weight: 197
* Born: Mar 11, 1981 - Bedford, OH
* College: Wisconsin
* Draft: 2004 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Buffalo Bills
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WR Comparisons
Yds TD
Evans 181
League Average 159
League Leader 663
Yds TD
Evans 1
League Average 1
League Leader 6
Next Game (@BAL) Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles
G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL
Last Game vs BAL 1 5 98 98.0 19.6 54 - - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Career vs BAL 3 12 243 81.0 20.3 54 4.0 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Away 50 176 2962 59.2 16.8 87 4.5 122 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
Turf 71 253 3798 53.5 15.0 85 3.8 166 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 3
Outdoors 93 327 5066 54.5 15.5 85 4.0 221 38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 3
Season Outlook Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles
G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL
Last 4 Games 4 15 181 45.3 12.1 45 - - 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Week 1 (MIA) 1 4 34 34.0 8.5 16 - - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Week 3 (@NWE) 1 5 54 54.0 10.8 17 - - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Week 4 (NYJ) 1 1 6 6.0 6.0 6 - - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Week 5 (JAC) 1 5 87 87.0 17.4 45 - - 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2010 Year to Date 5 15 181 36.2 12.1 45 3.5 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Recent Career Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles
Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL
2008 Buffalo 16 63 1017 63.6 16.1 87 4.0 46 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
2009 Buffalo 16 44 612 38.3 13.9 50 2.2 27 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2010 Buffalo 5 15 181 36.2 12.1 45 3.5 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Career Totals (Full) 101 355 5537 54.8 15.6 87 4.0 238 40 0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 N/A N/A 0 4 3
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So 3 catches a game, and 44 for last yr. YES! Lets trade a starting NT for a very mediocre WR!!!!!! Dont give me the QB cop out either, Calvin Johnson has had much worse QBs throwing to him and still produces, Also not like he'll have much better QB throwing to him here. No thanks on Lee Evans, he is nothing to get excited about.
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At what point this year has Rogers been a starting NT?
And I guess we'll just have to disagree. I don't think Lee Evans is mediocre at all. Is he Calvin Johnson or Reggie Wayne? No. But I don't think he's the bum you make him out to be, either.
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If Robaire Smith is out for the year would you still trade Rogers?
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Don't know a thing about Evans but they were about to put Branch on a Milk carton in Seattle before he went back to the Pats last week. He seems to have gotten better skills all of a sudden for some reason in New England. The system and QB CAN make a difference. And its hard to drop balls in Indy if the QB is sticking the ball in your earhole on every route.
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