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You know how the Donks feel right now about giving us Hillis... Imagine how you'd feel if Harrison got traded for chump change and then come on like last year for about 5 years...
I want him back in the game till I know that was a fluke.
The difference is that Hillis did it over a season... Harrison did it over 4 games..
Having said that, I still don't want us to trade him.. but if we aren't going to use him, then he has no value on this team except as back up and we can get someone else for that. Is Jennings still available?
So, if they aren't going to play him, might as well get something for him.... that's all I'm saying..
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The reason that Harrison is not playing is because he's been extremely ineffective so far this year and probably won't be effective until the second part of the year when the other team is worn out.
Simply put, Harrison is not a good enough RB to be effective against a fresh defense.
you had a good run Hank.
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The reason that Harrison is not playing is because he's been extremely ineffective so far this year and probably won't be effective until the second part of the year when the other team is worn out.
Simply put, Harrison is not a good enough RB to be effective against a fresh defense.
and here I thought he wasn't playing because he was injured and has since lost his starting job to Hillis  Silly me 
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The reason that Harrison is not playing is because he's been extremely ineffective so far this year and probably won't be effective until the second part of the year when the other team is worn out.
Simply put, Harrison is not a good enough RB to be effective against a fresh defense.
and here I thought he wasn't playing because he was injured and has since lost his starting job to Hillis Silly me
He may have gotten injured and lost his job to Hillis, but him not even getting a carry last game tells me all I need to know. Combine that with his fumbles and ineffective play so far and yeah, it's a fair assumption.
you had a good run Hank.
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Well, unless I missed something,, I don't think he was in the doghouse.. he was injured and hillis took over.. so I'm not sure where you are getting that from AD.
No ,not the total story..I don't even know the total story but what I do know is that the coaches are not pleased with the fumbles ..are not cool about his some of his comments and apparantly some think he needs to work a bit harder ...remember he was not seen for a good chunk of last season either and this same situation came up...and I and others heard a lot had to do with blitz pickup..same stuff Rac was annoyed with him about.
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Why would you worry about it? Unless we're prepared to franchise him or pay far more than the market for him he's not coming back next year.
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and here I thought he wasn't playing because he was injured and has since lost his starting job to Hillis Silly me
no Daman, it's all Mangini's fault. no wait, it's all Harrison's fault.
you have to ignore the fact that Harrison got hurt and Hillis has shined since then in order to see the light 
on a serious note, I thought that without a CBA, Harrison would be a RFA, not an UFA. is that not correct?
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You know how the Donks feel right now about giving us Hillis... Imagine how you'd feel if Harrison got traded for chump change and then come on like last year for about 5 years...
I want him back in the game till I know that was a fluke.
The difference is that Hillis did it over a season... Harrison did it over 4 games..
Having said that, I still don't want us to trade him.. but if we aren't going to use him, then he has no value on this team except as back up and we can get someone else for that. Is Jennings still available?
So, if they aren't going to play him, might as well get something for him.... that's all I'm saying..
Not really. Hillis wasn't the starter for a whole season.
Career numbers for Harrison: 296 for 1395, 4.7 average 6tds, 61 rec. for 444 7.3 ave. 3tds
Career numbers for Hillis: 147 for 719, 4.9 average10tds, 34 rec. for 292, 8.6 ave. 1td
Hillis numbers for 2008 68 for 343, 5.0 ypc
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and here I thought he wasn't playing because he was injured and has since lost his starting job to Hillis Silly me
no Daman, it's all Mangini's fault. no wait, it's all Harrison's fault.
you have to ignore the fact that Harrison got hurt and Hillis has shined since then in order to see the light
on a serious note, I thought that without a CBA, Harrison would be a RFA, not an UFA. is that not correct?
Honestly, I'm not sure what his status will be at the end of the season.. either RFA or UFA... I thought it was UFA... But I suppose I could be wrong..
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As far as anyone knows, his status will be "Locked Out" - just like the rest of the players.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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You also have to take into consideration that Hillis won't be able to maintain this level of output.
I love the guy as much as anyone else in here, but we can't lean on him like this for the entire season. I'm hoping the coaching staff has this in mind and we start to move away from the "feature back" mindset into a dual-back system. I don't think anyone would disagree with a Smash-and-Dash approach with some Vickers sprinkled on top.
I'm also a big Harrison fan. I feel for the guy. We have to either play him or trade him. The guy has skills and he gave us something to cheer for last season. I think the team owes it to him to stop with the nonsense and give him a chance (either here or elsewhere). It would also be very smart to move him now because there are a couple teams out there who are jonesing for a quality RB like Harrison. I would think a guy like him could fetch a premium price on the market right now.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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As far as anyone knows, his status will be "Locked Out" - just like the rest of the players.
LOL Well yeah,,, that's looking more and more likely isn't it
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According to Mangini, Harrison will get some carries this week.
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According to Mangini, Harrison will get some carries this week.
Waste of time, either they will run him up the middle or he'll try to run east and west too much.
I suppose you don't have to agree with me, but so far this year, I cannot see how anyone could argue otherwise. Someone needs to light a fire under Harrison's ass. He's looking so lazy out there right now.
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I hope the young man packs his bag's at the end of the season and cuts a good deal with a team that will use & appreciate him !!
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Why would you worry about it? Unless we're prepared to franchise him or pay far more than the market for him he's not coming back next year.
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Well... that depends on his performance this year which as of right now is unknown. Despite a shaky start, Harrison could very well return to last years form and have an unbelievable year this year. We were not singing his praises at game five last year but we sure did by week 17.
If he were to ( and yes I know it's a big if ) run for 1000 yrds or have 6-8 great games like last year, then retaining him would be probable.
All I'm saying is that instead of trading him for the value of a late round pick, we may want to see if last year was a fluke or if he can do it again.
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Did you even watch the games? Harrison was getting hit in the backfield constantly. The line was atrocious the first couple games. Hillis had his big day when Harrison was hurt. Since then the line is improving and Hillis is producing , while Harrison is healing.
He didn't need to play last week. He was still dinged, and as far as I could see Hillis was doing just fine. Why would any coach pull Hillis when he was on the roll he was on.
Those wanting to trade Harrison at this point are fools. We have depth in our ever improving running game, and as usual the geniuses on here want to trade it for a fourth round "prospect" which is what you get in the fourth round.
I would have loved to see what Harrison would have done on the run Hillis had in the Balt game when he shoved Landry back 7 yards. The hole he went thru was huge, and if he had Harrison's quickness, he just might have went all the way.
Calling Harrison's play "lazy" is just BS. Bringing up his blitz pick ups is a joke. He has proved to improve at blitz pick up and did a nice job in a couple games.
If he wasn't dinged last week, I bet he would have spelled Hillis a few times, but like I said above, what coach would have took Hillis out at any point of that game. He was beating them up. It has nothing to do with what Harrison can do, and everything to do with what Hillis was doing.
Hillis is our starter. I love Harrison, but Hillis earned the job. The trick now is for the coaches to figure out just when to use Harrison. The combination could be lethal. Just when they get used to Hillis running straight ahead, Harrison comes in and gives them some moves. I believe the coaches know this, and eventually we will see it.
All these "dog house" and "frustrated" comments are typical around here. Once one player steps up, it is time to throw the other under the bus. Maybe some of you should try thinking about what having both of them could do for this team.
Keep dogging the Ghost, I'm sure he is used to it by now, but I'm willing to bet that in the end he will again prove the haters wrong.
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i don't have a problem with a guy wanting the ball, but going public about it, bad idea.
but why isn't he getting carries in the first place? i know hillis is having success, but you're telling me based on what we saw last year, we can't get this guy some touches? we're heavy on the run as it is, i find it hard to believe they can't find spots for him.
Because when Harrison gets the ball he dances around behind the line too much and loses yards defenses are too fast to react in the NFL, Hillis hits the hole first then moves around, all good running backs do this. Harrison is looking for the homerun every time he gets the ball instead of worrying about gaining yards that will help the team get a first down. Wipe off that one 39 yard run that Harrison had in week 2 and his average yard per carry is just over 1 yard if i'm not mistaken and that is unacceptible if you ask me.
I'm all for trading Harrison and seeing what Davis has in relief duty for Hillis. Peyton Hillis is giving our team an Identity that we haven't had since the rebirth of the Browns.
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Did you even watch the games? Harrison was getting hit in the backfield constantly. The line was atrocious the first couple games. Hillis had his big day when Harrison was hurt. Since then the line is improving and Hillis is producing , while Harrison is healing.
I agree with you that the line was not playing so well at first. But Hillis made them better. He had some success and the OL fed on it. Now the OL is playing better and it could be a good time to get Harrison some carries. "The Ghost" can break some runs.
We'll see. Attack brought up a good point about his possibly needing to work harder and that RAC had the same issues with him. Are those issues raising their ugly head again? I don't know, but the staff doesn't seem to be too high on him. Not this staff, not the past staff.
Something's at issue there.
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Did you even watch the games? Harrison was getting hit in the backfield constantly. The line was atrocious the first couple games. Hillis had his big day when Harrison was hurt. Since then the line is improving and Hillis is producing , while Harrison is healing.
He didn't need to play last week. He was still dinged, and as far as I could see Hillis was doing just fine. Why would any coach pull Hillis when he was on the roll he was on.
Those wanting to trade Harrison at this point are fools. We have depth in our ever improving running game, and as usual the geniuses on here want to trade it for a fourth round "prospect" which is what you get in the fourth round.
I would have loved to see what Harrison would have done on the run Hillis had in the Balt game when he shoved Landry back 7 yards. The hole he went thru was huge, and if he had Harrison's quickness, he just might have went all the way.
Calling Harrison's play "lazy" is just BS. Bringing up his blitz pick ups is a joke. He has proved to improve at blitz pick up and did a nice job in a couple games.
If he wasn't dinged last week, I bet he would have spelled Hillis a few times, but like I said above, what coach would have took Hillis out at any point of that game. He was beating them up. It has nothing to do with what Harrison can do, and everything to do with what Hillis was doing.
Hillis is our starter. I love Harrison, but Hillis earned the job. The trick now is for the coaches to figure out just when to use Harrison. The combination could be lethal. Just when they get used to Hillis running straight ahead, Harrison comes in and gives them some moves. I believe the coaches know this, and eventually we will see it.
All these "dog house" and "frustrated" comments are typical around here. Once one player steps up, it is time to throw the other under the bus. Maybe some of you should try thinking about what having both of them could do for this team.
Keep dogging the Ghost, I'm sure he is used to it by now, but I'm willing to bet that in the end he will again prove the haters wrong.
And your "Mancrush" on Harrison is clouding your judgement, sure he has talent and is shifty enough to avoid tackles but he's the same type of RB as Davis, we know what type of RB Harrison is and what he's capable of but we can't say that about Davis he too deserves a look to see what he can do with the ball and if we could get a 4th or 5th round pick for Harrison and possibly get a player that could help add depth elsewhere or use that pick for a draft day trade in case there is a player Holmgren/Heckert really like.
Harrison is not and will never be a feature back, he's just not that consistant enough to be that type of every down player like I said in my previous post wipe off that one long run for 39 yards that Harrison had in week 2 and he has just over 1 yard per carry average and that is unacceptible. You say the line wasn't opening holes for him I'm playing my BS card and he had holes but like all holes they open and close, you have to hit the hole when it opens not dance around behind the line like he did all pre-season and week 1 and 2 go back and watch the games because he had holes and blockers to follow but he was looking for Homerun's not 4-5 yard gains behind a blocker. 
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Wipe off that one 39 yard run that Harrison had in week 2
I love when people do this. He HAD the run, you can't just take it away. Take away Hillis's 24 yard run, what does that do to his average?
Take away TO's 74 yarder. Take away Fujita's blocked FG. While we are at it, take away Roth's two sacks. Why not, he didn't have any the first couple games. Harrison averages over 4 yards a carry, it is a fact. You act as if any back that has a YPC average gets that on every carry. This alone shows your football IQ is lacking.
Dances behind the line? I watch every play of every game, he might have tried to dance, because he was being hit immediately. Your line of thought is crap. Last week in the first quarter Hillis was being stopped for 1 and 2 yards constantly. It wasn't until the defense loosened up that he started to get some space. He took that space and made them pay. Harrison is not 250 lbs. He is not the same type of back as Hillis. Different situations call for different styles.
This is just as I said above...typical. Pick a guy to bash, and make up some crap to justify it. I know why many of our regular poster have dissappeared, the crap that gets spewed here anymore is pitiful.
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Harrison is not and will never be a feature back, he's just not that consistant enough to be that type of every down player
Mancrush...GMAFB. Not a feature back? He carried the ball over 20+ times in those last games last year. He also carried it for 39 times to set the record. You are typical, as you see Hillis doing good so you try to justify bashing another player. Harrison has averaged over 4 YPC since he has entered the league, that's what feature backs do.
That being said, I too want Hillis as the starter, as I do feel Jerome would have problems carrying a big load over 16 games. My point is, you have two weapons now, trading one to hopefully build depth is redundant. Harrison is quality depth, why would you trade him for a chance at depth, when he is already here.
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Something's at issue there.
This I can agree with. But those knocking his talent are way off base.
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After stating the fact as I know them here's my opinion. Harrison is probably PO'ed that he wasn't the unquestioned starting RB out the gate. Then they draft Hardesty. Then they trade for Hillis. And this guy (along with more than 50% help from Vickers/OL) saved Mangini's job! I'd be livid! Is there a chance he's going to resign here. IMO no. Are we going to use him the rest of the season? Maybe, probably, idk. Are we going to the SB this year? Nope Could we get something for him right now? Yep That's it for me. I don't dislike Harrison. But he's kind of milquetoast for me now. I want to get up and yell for somebody! I want to beat people up! Put in Hillis! It's clobberin' time!  
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Did you even watch the games? Harrison was getting hit in the backfield constantly. The line was atrocious the first couple games. Hillis had his big day when Harrison was hurt. Since then the line is improving and Hillis is producing , while Harrison is healing.
He didn't need to play last week. He was still dinged, and as far as I could see Hillis was doing just fine. Why would any coach pull Hillis when he was on the roll he was on.
Those wanting to trade Harrison at this point are fools. We have depth in our ever improving running game, and as usual the geniuses on here want to trade it for a fourth round "prospect" which is what you get in the fourth round.
I would have loved to see what Harrison would have done on the run Hillis had in the Balt game when he shoved Landry back 7 yards. The hole he went thru was huge, and if he had Harrison's quickness, he just might have went all the way.
Calling Harrison's play "lazy" is just BS. Bringing up his blitz pick ups is a joke. He has proved to improve at blitz pick up and did a nice job in a couple games.
If he wasn't dinged last week, I bet he would have spelled Hillis a few times, but like I said above, what coach would have took Hillis out at any point of that game. He was beating them up. It has nothing to do with what Harrison can do, and everything to do with what Hillis was doing.
Hillis is our starter. I love Harrison, but Hillis earned the job. The trick now is for the coaches to figure out just when to use Harrison. The combination could be lethal. Just when they get used to Hillis running straight ahead, Harrison comes in and gives them some moves. I believe the coaches know this, and eventually we will see it.
All these "dog house" and "frustrated" comments are typical around here. Once one player steps up, it is time to throw the other under the bus. Maybe some of you should try thinking about what having both of them could do for this team.
Keep dogging the Ghost, I'm sure he is used to it by now, but I'm willing to bet that in the end he will again prove the haters wrong.
Thanks for the post.....I actually read the post up to your post..... some  others 
You pretty much saved me a long post on this subject.
The only other point I would like to add is.....
We only had 2 RB's active for the game and to risk Harrison being re injured would have been idiotic in the face of how Hillis was moving the chains.
There will be ample opportunity for both at least for this season.
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Good question about Harrison's status at the end of this season.
Is it the 4th or 5th year a player becomes an UFA?
[Assuming the current CBA] and do supplemental picks become involved?
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I'll let the results speak for themselves. That will be my last post on this subject since some appear to be taking this way too personal.
you had a good run Hank.
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Harrison will be a UFA. He was scheduled to be a UFA this year but became an RFA instead due to the lack of a new CBA in place.
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And if I were him, I would be looking elsewhere.
In his only time as a starter, he had monster numbers. This year, he has not really been given much oppoertunity in any of the games.
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I think he would be perfect in green bay...
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I think we would have traded him by now if Hardesty hadn't gotten hurt.
I don't understand it...the guy has proven to be quite productive when given the carries.
His case is one where I shake my head at this coaching staff.
As said above, there has GOT to be more to this story that we do not know about.
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I guess it all depends on what the long term plans are for Harrison. The only person that really knows this is Heckert. IF he feels Harrison can have a roll beyond this year, then efforts will be made to resign him. However, if they have moved on, (and maybe they have by drafting a RB) -then i would not be shocked to see him traded. However- we would probably get a compensatory pick for losing him in freeagency, so who knows....
And yeah, he would look pretty good in GreenBay. -but Lynch would have looked better so i really don't know what the pack are thinking right now.
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I am not holding out much hope for Hardesty...I think the guy is busted pick...he had injury history in college, comes here gets hurt real quick...comes back and gets hurt again done for the year before the season even starts.
I'll still say it "if this team had RB targeted as a need, the pick should have been Spiller" Spiller was bar none the best back in this draft class...in fact the talent drop off between Spiller and Hardesty is huge...Hardesty had one decent year in college...one thats it...one and done so to speak...
i Still say Spiller + Joe Thomas + Steinbach + Mack = insanely sick running game...no way anyone can judge Spiller with the total trash they have as an OL in Buffalo..they may have the worst OL in the NFL..that OL is terrible....
If they still wanted to go with Haden AND wanted a RB, they should have used what they traded with Hardesty and made a deal for Marshawn Lynch...he was traded for what? a 4th rder....Lynch Starts day one no questioned asked and is a fine RB in his own right. He is the perfect compliment to Hillis...think Rice + McGahee...we would have had our combo...Lynch + Hillis...
It would be nice if Hardesty proves me wrong, however I see him as a busted pick...the guy will not be healthy enough to ever really contibute for us. its sad really...
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It's still really, really early .... but that "trash" OL in Buffalo has both Lynch and Jackson averaging 4.4 yards/carry.
As far as Hardesty, I think he was a good pick, and I'll wait a year or 2 before I bury him.
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As said above, there has GOT to be more to this story that we do not know about.
Yes, he's been hurt. Thigh injury. Returned to full practice Wednesday. Relax, ladies. 
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As said above, there has GOT to be more to this story that we do not know about.
Yes, he's been hurt. Thigh injury. Returned to full practice Wednesday. Relax, ladies.
Ok...so why did Harrison not play much until the end of LAST year. He was INACTIVE 2-3 games before his record-breaking game.
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As said above, there has GOT to be more to this story that we do not know about.
Yes, he's been hurt. Thigh injury. Returned to full practice Wednesday. Relax, ladies.
Ok...so why did Harrison not play much until the end of LAST year. He was INACTIVE 2-3 games before his record-breaking game.
Who cares?
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As far as Hardesty, I think he was a good pick, and I'll wait a year or 2 before I bury him.
Well he has all next non-season to rest up and heal . . . 
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As said above, there has GOT to be more to this story that we do not know about.
Yes, he's been hurt. Thigh injury. Returned to full practice Wednesday. Relax, ladies.
Ok...so why did Harrison not play much until the end of LAST year. He was INACTIVE 2-3 games before his record-breaking game.
Who cares?
Based on you responding to the earlier post...YOU must care.
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Seriously, I don't care what happened prior to his starts at the end of last season. And his being in RAC's dog house before that doesn't concern me in the least. I'm concerned with now, and now I think he needs to get healthy, get on the field, and spell Hillis a bit. I don't think there's any more to him not seeing the field last week than his injury, and the fact the Hillis was running well enough to allow him to continue to rest his thigh. Now that he's healthy, and Hillis is dinged up, I'd expect to see alot more of him, and maybe some Davis. Beyond this year, I don't expect him back next year, simply because our money is on Hardesty, and Davis give us special teams play. What I don't believe, is that he's in Mangini's dog house, or that there's any more to the story beyond his injury. Does he need to keep his opinion to himself when wondering about his role? Yes. Has that been conveyed to him? Probably. I'd say it's down to business on Sunday, and he'll most likely get his reps. No point in over analyzing it, IMHO.
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You know, people bag on Mangini having Harrison in the doghouse and not playing him.
What about the fact that Jerome was also in Crennel's doghouse? Then moves seamlessly into Mangini's doghouse. Jerome isn't exactly blameless in this situation (and admitted as much last year regarding his practice habits).
I'd really love for this coaching staff to implement an effective PH/JH combo, and I think that's really doable. Hopefully we'll see Jerome come back from injury soon and this will become a reality. This could be very good for the Browns. Hillis seems to be effective at smashing and frustrating defenses, and Harrison is the killer blow with his speed.
Sadly, I don't think JH is coming back after this season, lockout or not (and I don't really blame him). If he does leave, I wish him well. The guy got a raw deal (not as much as some would make you think), and he's got the talent to be a good complement to a contending team.
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