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A good way to start the week, I figure! Quote:
Eric Mangini hot-seat meter: Cooling.
Posted Oct. 04, 2010 @ 1:58 p.m. ET
By Mike Wilkening
The Browns finally broke through with a victory Sunday. It wasn't easy — the Bengals cut a Cleveland lead that was as large as 13 points to three points with 10:44 left in the game and outgained Cleveland 413-295 — but it reflected the team's playmaking ability in all three phases of the game. On offense, the Browns established a stout ground game with Peyton Hillis as the focal point. The defense didn't play well at times but did notch four sacks and force two turnovers. And OLB Scott Fujita's blocked field goal in the second quarter was one of the most important plays of the game.
After a win like that, and after four games in which the Browns have been very competitive, head coach Eric Mangini's job security doesn't figure to be a hot-button issue this week.
In the last eight games dating back to last season, the Browns are 5-3, and they could be 8-0. The Browns' three losses this season were by seven points or less, and they led in the fourth quarter in each game. Think of how far they have come since they dropped 11 of their first 12 games in Mangini's tenure.
The Browns' next three games are imposing ones. They host the Falcons Sunday, then travel to Pittsburgh on Oct. 17. Their final game before the Week Eight bye is at New Orleans on Oct. 24.
However, given what we have seen of Cleveland in the first quarter of the season, the Browns are likely to be competitive. The Falcons are 3-1, but they were fortunate to beat winless San Francisco Sunday. The Steelers will be working QB Ben Roethlisberger back into the lineup. The Saints were pushed to the limit to beat the winless Panthers in Week Four.
The Browns are a club contenders probably don't want to face right now. Their physicality cannot be questioned. Their running game is strong. They are more talented than a season ago. They have been competitive in every game this season, and against some quality competition. No one, it must be noted, has come closer to beating the Chiefs, the NFL's lone unbeaten team.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/10/04/eric-mangini-hot-seat-meter-cooling
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I just got all tingly inside.
"The Browns are a club contenders probably don't want to face right now. Their physicality cannot be questioned."
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In the last eight games dating back to last season, the Browns are 5-3, and they could be 8-0.When one of US says that, we get boiled in oil,.... 
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After a win like that, and after four games in which the Browns have been very competitive, head coach Eric Mangini's job security doesn't figure to be a hot-button issue this week.
at least he's giving him a week
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The Browns are a club contenders probably don't want to face right now. Their physicality cannot be questioned. Their running game is strong.
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Their physicality cannot be questioned.
See: Ward, TJ
My new favorite player.
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See: Ward, TJ
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or Hillis.. or Vickers...
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..... or Haden, Mack, Roth, JT, Cribbs
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Good Find and thanks for sharing! It's amazing how good I feel after a win, I could get used to this. 
You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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Whew.. We are gonna start mauling teams..
The AFC North just got better... Watch out Steelers.. We are bringing this rivalry BACK!!
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another piece that's along the same lines, by the same author. we're seeing the browns develop a reputation and an identity: you won't run on us and we'll run over you. even if you win, you're gonna hurt. Quote:
Running game highlights Browns' strengths, but pass defense a
Posted Oct. 04, 2010 @ 6:50 p.m. ET
By Mike Wilkening
After the Browns' 23-20 win vs. Cincinnati on Sunday, Browns OLB Scott Fujita delivered a balanced — and blunt — assessment on where 1-3 Cleveland stands.
"It is good to get a win in the bank, but this does nothing but guarantee that we are not going to be 0-16," said Fujita, who blocked a field goal and whose sack and forced fumble set up a Cleveland field goal. "It is one win, feels great, but we are going to have to build on this."
Indeed, the Browns still are still last in the AFC North, two games behind Baltimore and Pittsburgh. But they are in much better shape than they were a week ago, when they had lost their third consecutive game after failing to hold a fourth-quarter lead for the third time.
Noted Browns head coach Eric Mangini after the win Sunday, "I felt like we've been making steps toward this for a while. I felt like the guys have shown results throughout the course of the games; we just haven't been able to make enough plays to finally win the game, and today we did. It's different than some of the situations we've been in in the past. These guys are resilient and we're going to get into a ton of tough games throughout the course of the year, and understanding what we have to do to win those games and finishing the games is so important. I thought we got a lot closer to that, or we have been getting close to that, and we finally did here today, which I'm really proud of the group.
"Obviously, there are things that we have to fix and we will fix those things and we'll keep working the way that we've been working, and my expectation is for us to keep moving forward."
The PFW spin
What follows are three things that make the Browns a tough matchup right now — and three things that make them vulnerable:
Strengths
• Their running game is rugged and persistent, giving Cleveland a chance to wear down opponents. Peyton Hillis was pretty well held in check by the Bengals after he ran all over the Ravens the previous week, but Hillis struck late in the game with a 24-yard run off right tackle to give Cleveland its final, game-clinching first down. The Browns are more than happy to play a slug-it-out game, and if you can't stop the run, look out.
• The defense has some intriguing playmakers in the front seven. Fujita has played very well since coming over from New Orleans. OLB Matt Roth had two sacks Sunday. NT Ahtyba Rubin continues to play well, and Shaun Rogers had a nice game in Week Four. The Browns have not allowed a 100-yard rusher or a rushing touchdown in six consecutive games.
• The Browns are solid on special teams with the potential to be much, much better, as opponents have done well to limit RS Joshua Cribbs' return chances this season.
Weaknesses
• The secondary has given up far too many big plays the past two weeks. CB Eric Wright has not played well, and the other starting corner, Sheldon Brown, gave up a 78-yard TD to Terrell Owens Sunday. Cleveland is 29th in yards per pass play allowed (7.9 avg.).
• The Browns' ability to consistently stretch the field in the passing game is in question. If a defense defends short and intermediate routes well, the Cleveland passing game could struggle.
• Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan isn't afraid to blitz, but when the blitz has failed this season, it has failed miserably. The 78-yard TD to Owens came when the Browns brought seven rushers but could not get to QB Carson Palmer. Palmer threw deep to Owens, who got a step on Brown, who slipped, and Owens scored easily.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/10/04/running-game-highlights-browns-strengths-but-pass
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That has got to be the most fair assessment I've seen of the Browns in the media.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Reading this was almost as good as puberty. Some props. Somebody read it to the secondary what need it. LOLetc.
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In the last eight games dating back to last season, the Browns are 5-3, and they could be 8-0.
When one of US says that, we get boiled in oil,....
We're a funny bunch. We complain whenever the media blasts us and vehemently disagree with fellow fans who disagree about the "apparent negative direction" the team is going. Yet us armchair quarterbacks are all hunky dory with the media and each other whenever we do something a bit positive.
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Yep, pretty much nailed that one. They must have been reading our post The thing that allows us to consistently run the ball is our OL/FB. Last year with Harrison and this year with Hillis. A team can still win games in this league by controlling the clock and running the ball. Like a boxer who goes to the body and wears out his opponent before delivering a final blow. We just need a play maker who can deliver it. I like Ryans philosophy, trouble is he needs Corners who can cover 'deep' man on man and also a more consistent pass rush or in how we go about attacking their protections with our blitzes.
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The Browns have not allowed a 100-yard rusher or a rushing touchdown in six consecutive games. 
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The Browns have not allowed a 100-yard rusher or a rushing touchdown in six consecutive games.
We've been clamouring for years for two things....stopping the run and running the ball.
I see something good being built here. A few more pieces and we just might get the wish we all want.
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The Browns have not allowed a 100-yard rusher or a rushing touchdown in six consecutive games.
Wow, add that to the stats about being the first team in a gazzillion years to post a century on the ground and a rushing TD against the Ravens and I'm starting to get impressed! 
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With 6:45 in the 3rd quarter, Scott Fujita caused a fumble picked up by Coleman, to give the Browns the ball on the Bengals 12 yd line, with a 10 point lead.
The Browns barely won by 3.
Just don't give them the Division title just yet.
Hey offense? Where is that play that ran for 25 yards against Jacksonville with 2 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter?
losing a close game is not a sign or good coaching, winning a close game is.
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Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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losing a close game is not a sign or good coaching, winning a close game is.
ok, so you just admitted we had good coaching against the Bengals. 
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losing a close game is not a sign or good coaching, winning a close game is
Losing a close game isn't necessarily a sign of bad coaching. Coaches can put players in the right situation, but ultimately it's up to the players to execute. Young teams generally lose close games. Closing out games is part of the growing process of a young team. As you may know, we are a very young team. I believe it's very encouraging what we've seen so far from this team.
As others have mentioned, we've done a good job of stopping the run and running the ball. We are currently giving up 108 ypg rushing this year compared to 145 ypg last year. Even with our struggles in the secondary, we are giving up 239 ypg compared to 245 ypg last year. Obviously a minor improvement, but you'd probably think we'd be giving up way more than we did last year.
If we can somehow establish a consistent passing attack, the running lanes for Hillis will be even bigger. The secondary is only going to get better as the year goes on. Obviously the pass rush still needs work, but you can't fix everything in one off season. I'd have to say it's pretty clear that Holmgren and Heckert are absolutely the right guys to head up this front office. Just look at all the guys they brought in this year that are already having a positive impact on the team: Hillis, Haden, Ward, Fujita, Watson, somewhat competent QB play from Wallace and Delhomme, Brown, and hopefully significant future impacts from Hardesty and Lauvao. This front office did more in one off season than the previous one did in 4. With another good off season I think the Browns can at least be a .500 team next year. I would imagine our 1st two picks in the draft will be OLB & WR in some combination, unless there happens to be a franchise QB available.
Even though it may not show in the record, it's tough not to get excited about the future of the team. Keep in mind that the three teams we lost to are a combined 8-2, and we held 4th quarter leads in every game. We will soon finish those on regularity, but it just takes time.
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i love how physical this team is. i can't wait until december, when teams have taken a beating for 3 months, combined with cold weather, combined with our style of play, and it's not gonna be a joy.
people used to view the browns as a bye week. now you have to work hard, and you're going to get beat up in the process. i love it.
we still have issues and we still lack a ton of talent, but through 4 games they have been consistent with the physical play. 2 weeks in a row against top competition which happens to be in-division competition and my opinion of mangini has changed. i was never a fire mangini guy, but i was kind of part of the "i can't defend this" group.
i would love to see what he could do with an actual qb and a slightly above average set of recievers.
i mean our front seven isn't really all that and they are playing good.
my only question is eric wright. it's been 3 years and this guy still doesn't get it. will he ever?
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i mean our front seven isn't really all that and they are playing good.
my only question is eric wright. it's been 3 years and this guy still doesn't get it. will he ever?
I must quote what I heard in one of the other threads ...
how much credit do we owe Heckert and Holmgren if only one year after Hank Poteat ... one of our biggest flaws on the defense is Eric Wright...?
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It would certainly be nice if our ONLY defensive "flaw" was Wright. He might play just a tad better, if we were a tad better at some spots.
Not defending him -- he has been nothing but milk toast this year.
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yeah I gotcha... and I am not off the E-Wright bandwagon yet ... if he DOES become the worst player on our defense we have a shot at playoffs, division, etc...
But I think after skimming over this again I really think its impressive and amazing to see where we were compared to where we are even 20 games ago ..
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Just don't give them the Division title just yet.
I don't think anyone's doing that. I see improvement on the team. We have a running game, and we're stopping the run. We still need a passing game and a pass defense, but I see them starting to improve in these areas too. We might have a pretty good team next season. We have a decent team now.
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This was a fine and well-considered post.
Older Dawgs take note: there's a new Deep Thinker i the pound.
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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The basis of his post was that we're a young team.
We're the oldest team in the AFC.
Just because it jives with what you think doesn't mean it's music.
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The basis of his post was that we're a young team.
We're the oldest team in the AFC.
Just because it jives with what you think doesn't mean it's music.
That's just exactly what I thought.
My addition would be that, "Are there really any deep thinkers on a football board?"
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We have many deep thinkers. I want to add my own deep thought to this:
My philosophy is basically this and this is something that I live by and I always have and I always will. Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or, or where you are going, or, or where you've been ... ever ... for any reason whatsoever.
michael scott.
lol. jk
I think since Hillis was pounding the rock and Harrison was nicked up, the went with the horse. I think we see Harrison back out there this week. We won't forget who got us those 4 wins at the end of last year. Trading him is insane!
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woops i posted about harrison in the wrong thread. sorry guys
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The basis of his post was that we're a young team.
We're the oldest team in the AFC.
Just because it jives with what you think doesn't mean it's music.
yeah... 1946 was a long time ago, fershur
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That's just exactly what I thought.
My addition would be that, "Are there really any deep thinkers on a football board?"
well... all things are relative. ...but true- this ain't the Mensa board....
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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IDK who M.Scott is,but that ranks way up there on the list of the dumbest things ever written.
Following that to the letter you would never have any reaction with a fellow human being.
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Steve Carrell is Michael Scott on the TV show "The Office."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Thank-you.Somehow that makes sense.
Had I know he was quoting a boob tube character I would have left it alone.
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IDK who M.Scott is,but that ranks way up there on the list of the dumbest things ever written.
Following that to the letter you would never have any reaction with a fellow human being.
haha  i thought i would respond to clemdawgs post about deep thinkers with the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
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dude- it worked.
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Good Find and thanks for sharing!
It's amazing how good I feel after a win, I could get used to this.
I'm still on top of the world after our first WIN!! It was a great week to be a Brownies fan!
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just clicking...
I read a headline last week, something about how easy Browns fans have been on the franchise compared to fans of the other Cleveland sports teams.
I didn't bother to read the story but more than once over the past week I have thought about "that headline", wondering if what the writer was claiming might be true of Browns fans?
Reading this thread makes me wonder again, if the writer did not have a legitimate point...one 3 point win over the Bengals and suddenly "Eric Mangini hot-seat meter: Cooling"...
So the Browns are 1-3 a quarter of the way through the season...guess that means that many replying to this thread would be happy with a 4 win - 12 loss season???
I will say that we are beginning to see a nucleus of players emerging to build a team around..some castoffs that the Browns are developing into solid players, some are solid draft picks, some are old timers.
Will Browns fans be satisfied if the Browns are simply "competitive" this year?
Honestly, does anyone think Mike Holmgren is going to decide Mangini's future employment with the Browns based on the demands of the fans?
Maybe we should not take too seriously Bud Shaw's opinion about Browns fans being easy on the Browns and this article from PFT about Mangini's "hot-seat meter"...hey, what would writers blog about if they didn't make something up?
The only "hot seat" that Mangini needs to be concerned about is the one he is seated in when facing Mike Holmgren on Monday, Jan. 3rd, 2011.
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