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I am not a big thread starter, but I think this needs it's own thread.

If we could simply play only 1 half of football, we would be a fairly decent team under Mangini. But half time hits, and alas, we can find our rythem the rest of the game. It seems our coaches are outsmarted/outcoached coming out of half time fairly consistently. I'm not going to take the time to research each game since Mangini has been here (KOB seems to hate Mangini enough to do that for me to prove my point ), as it seems fairly obvious and consistent.

I don't plan on dominating this thread with my replies either. There are much smarter people on these boards than me and I want to read what you guys have to say about it. On your marks, get set, GO!

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The only stat that needs to be quoted in this thread:

All of our points have come in the 1st half this year. It's a huge coaching problem and the main reason I want Mangini and his crew gone.


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If we could simply play only 1 half of football, we would be a fairly decent team under Mangini.




Debatable.

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this team has a HUGE problem BUILDING what they call MOMENTUM.

It NEVER happens.. NEVER...

Teams know that if you can keep it close in the 1st half, then the 2nd half you will win for sure.


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Refuse to finish. Note the 3 and outs. And weird stuff happens. Most of it is play mix and calls. We have some dumb stuff happening on the sidelines where we could use some help. Count the screens and misdirection in the second half. Pretty immobile Seneca Wallace. Our offense is lame. Much like last year's second halves come to think about it. Can't finish. Defense couldn't get a stop and didn't get nearly enough pressure. Ryan seems much too pleased with such a pathetic pair of outcomes; Daboll is overrating whatever passes for a gameplan, and seemed to indicate that in an interview where he feels some kind of macho points are collected for "staying the course" so to speak. Like little if any middle of the field attacked in the air at all.


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I'd be curious to know what Mangini's record is when he leads at half. I think the coach of the Falcons, Mike Smith?, is 24-1 or something to that effect.


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Somebody help me out here.. I'm not a big Mangini apologist and I'm not looking for a reason to "defend him"... but how much is the head coach responsible for the adjustments? Offensively and defensively? I would think the vast majority of that would fall upon the OC and his crew and the DC and his crew... anybody know for sure?


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My brother and I were saying the same thing today - in both games, it seems that the other team adjusted at half while we just kept doing the exact same thing. The other teams are adjusting and we are stagnant.


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Ask and ye shall receive:

2010: 0-2
2009: 4-2
2008: 8-0
2007: 4-3
2006: 8-0

So if I calculated that all out right, he is 24-7 when he has the lead at the half.


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Ask and ye shall receive:

2010: 0-2
2009: 4-2
2008: 8-0
2007: 4-3
2006: 8-0

So if I calculated that all out right, he is 24-7 when he has the lead at the half.




Which isn't too bad so clearly something is happening at half-time...

a) Browns are not adjusting
b) Opponents are adjusting
c) Both

I'm guessing it's C.


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That's 77% of the time his teams have had a lead they've won. I think that's actually pretty solid. I think that speaks that he has years of experience making the halftime adjustments we keep complaining about.

So, if he has shown that he can make halftime adjustments, what has changed this year? Have people figured him out?

Both games we are a bonehead play from winning. Both games, we seem to play the first half well and be prepared.

This team in beyond frustrating.


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And to add to all of this, his overall coaching record is 28 and 38.

So if he is 24-7 in games he's winning at halftime, he's 4-31 in games he's losing at halftime.

89% of the time he is losing at halftime, his teams LOSE; 11% they actually win.
77% of the time he is winning at halftime, his teams win.

Only 36% of the teams he coached has a lead at halftime.

All things point to the following:
When his teams are actually winning at the half, they have a high % of winning the game.
When his teams are behind at the half, they lose almost 90% of time.
Most of his teams aren't winning at halftime.

I take from that - Mangini's teams usually aren't very prepared/don't play well in the first half.


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Impressivo! That was quick. Do we see a pattern here?


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So, for us he's 4-4 when leading at the half. That means even if we're spotted points, we're just as likely to lose as we are to win. How sad is that?


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i didn't see yesterday's game, stupid link wouldn't kick in, but it sounds like more of the same. Lack of adjustments and outcoached in the second half. Dabol is once again over his head. That is one area that can be fixed without shaking up everything.

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Impressivo! That was quick. Do we see a pattern here?



I do.. with the Jets he was 20-3, which is an 87% winning percentage, with us he's 4-4, which is 50%.. as I said, I'm not a Mangini defender but I'm putting most of this on Daboll..


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My brother and I were saying the same thing today - in both games, it seems that the other team adjusted at half while we just kept doing the exact same thing. The other teams are adjusting and we are stagnant.




Who's the blame for the Browns not adjusting to the counter-moves of Tampa/KC???
The coaches..and that points to Genius..if the coordinator is not adjusting then the HC needs to step in.

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