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50, 60, 70 years ago (or so) no one would possibly think that a pitcher would need a reliever ... he had to be tough and some of those guys would only get a day off or two, not this 3 or 4 game rest over the course of almost a week crap. I understand that the game has changed some ... but it is crazy that you might have 3 or 4 pitchers pitch for 9 or 10 innings and it STILL could be considered a good outing!

Nowadays we are starting to see the transformation from a backfield of one workhorse running back or maybe 1 with a guy to spell him on third downs / in the third and fourth quarter for a drive ... and we are seeing teams becoming more accustomed to divying up carries between two, three, even four backs on some teams (possibly more but that could be due to injury..)

What I wanna know .. is how many of you think the quarterback situation could end up being the same in a decade ... where we have two different quarterbacks in for different styles of play (and not just wildcat like cribbs...).

Think about it ... Tebow might just do it this year in Denver ... where you have a passing "threat" in Orton (notice the quotes around threat) but more of a dual action QB in Tebow. Michael Robinson from Penn State could have been the same style of bulky quarterback (he does play fullback for the 49ers last I knew .. which is a crazy transition from QB) And maybe even Jared Lorenzo the Hefty Lefty from Kentucky could have been in the same mold (if he lost a little weight and was mobile). Im just thinking you could run one style of offense more traditionally, but also incorporate a secondary guy for maybe 10 -15 plays a game ... and with the addition of a guy like tebow as a second string qb could bring the addition of THE OPTION to the NFL!!!

Maybe you are on to something, we have already been told many times on this board Tebow will walk on water AND revolutionize the QB position in the NFL as we know it

King

Best RB example (IMO): Dallas when Barber would come in when the defense was tired and blow people up. It is what they are claiming they are going back to this year with Felix Jones as the Q1-3 guy.

Best QB example (IMO): Cardinals when Leinart was the starter but they brought in Warner for the no-huddle offense at the end of each half.


It is easier to do at RB (specialty) than QB because you need the QB to be the leader and do not want to do anything to mess with their confidence or leadership ability on the field.

Haha well dont get me wrong ... I like him, Im interested in seeing what he can do .. but I wont annoint him as a king or a god yet.

All Im saying is if you are able to have Kyle Orton who is only slightly better than Brady Quinn as your "passers" ... you could use Tebow while you are developing him as a guy who could run the ball.

The main reason QB's dont get to run the option is cuz they will get killed in the NFL. If Tebow is literally the size of a linebacker ... he wont get killed. Even Roethlisberger is good for a scramble now and again and takes enough sacks ... Im sure Tebows frame could hold up at ... what is he ... 250 now?

It's all about specialization. In baseball and in football. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. In football each position is a specialty and there are specialties within each position. I'd love the Browns to have the shifty, speedy back and then bring in the big bruiser (ala Bettis) to roll over a tired defense in the end.

It's all about specialization. Athletes are so much stronger, faster and just more athletic then they were 50, 60 and 70 years ago. You just can't attack them the same way they way back did then. The leather helmet teams in the day were tough as nails. But the best of them couldn't stand up to the speed and strength of the worst of today's teams.

Today they have to specialize. Gone are the days of pitchers going nine innings game after game. If you aren't throwing 95 mph in the ninth inning you're gonna get rocked. Rare is the football player who can play both sides of the ball. He'd be playing against others who are so specialized in what they do that the two way player couldn't compete.

It's a change in the times, a change in the athletes. There's only going to be more of it. It's inevitable. I'm not all that sure I'd call it progress as I would call it inevitable because they have to play against the freaks who weigh 250 pounds with 3% body fat and speed that has become common today that only the best had 50 years ago.

It's all about specialization. It's the only way to compete.

Well as for the Brandon Jacobs thing .. I understand a QB is more than just any other player ... but EVERY player is subjected to getting hit in the NFL ...

And Im sure the same logic was apparent when people starting using a corral of backs .. and they would say "what do you MEAN we dont have the Same running back in every play...? He's a first rounder??"

Just as the post right before me said (sorry lol I forgot who made it ... but it was very insightful and argues to my point rather against it ..) The game is evolving and changing ... and if you are able to add just one more wrinkle to it, why NOT?

Sure Tebow could get hurt real bad and the Broncos could blow a first round pick ... or he could be a dual threat QB for a year or two in the league and pay SOME immediate dividends all while touching the ball and getting used to the speed of the game rather than sitting the Bench for 2 years as a first round pick.

Im not saying he will be a god (just as I posted earlier) ... I just think if a 210 or 215 pounder like Harrison or Cribbs can take an NFL tackle ... then a 245 or 250 pound Tebow could possibly take a few also ..

it's something to consider. but you have to weight the risks.

the risk is that Tebow had a serious concussion in college.

if he runs in the NFL, LBs are going to know this and also because of his larger-than-life off-the-field persona, they are going to delight even more than usual in giving him 'knockout' hits.

add-in the NFL is taking concussions much more serious these days.

so, Tebow gets one serious concussion (they are often recurrent) and he went from a possible franchise QB (Broncos assertion of what he is from where he was drafted), to the Broncos version of Brodney Pool.

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I'm not saying you don't necessarily do it anyway, but you have to seriously weight that risk before you decide to go for it.

Not at all.

I agree that it is dangerous and definately something to consider ...

But he would take the same chance that any other player would with a concussion ...

Once again .. its still a possibility .. but how many concussions did trent green have before he finally was forced out?

Roethlisburger had gotten what .. almost half a dozen counting a few in college and he's still in... BUT I do agree with you just because the league is taking it more seriously ...

but the other argument is the same as saying "tom brady has a knee injury that he came back from ... so players will go for his knee..." yeah they might ... but not illegally .. just if they can

or ... "Willis McGahees knees got blown up in college .. lets take a shot at them when we tackle him.."

or even "robert royal's hands must be broke ... lets aim for them"

I understand the seriousness associated with the risk ... but if you are too afraid of him getting hit in the head ... he might as well not take the field ...

Vick almost made it as an option quarterback ... but he couldnt pass

and even tho he was faster ... he was WAY smaller than Tebow or most running backs .. but he never got killed

In no way am I saying a "I told you so" here ... but I find it even more possible now that Tebow could develop into something like a short yardage quarterback after seeing some clips of the denver/cincy game. I still think it is definately possible that he could run the ball maybe 10 times a game, and whats crazy is that he has more power delivering a hit on defenders than a lot of running backs out there.

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but I find it even more possible now that Tebow could develop into something like a short yardage quarterback after seeing some clips of the denver/cincy game.

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I don't know why people continue to try to put these limitations on him. I thought he looked good. He had a couple really nice deep passes dropped. The two biggest negatives I saw in his game was that he held the ball a couple times, which rookies do.. and the other is that when given time and under pressure he still had a habit of dropping it to his waist before he threw it but he only did that on occassion and it's clear he has worked to fix it and will continue to do so. I'm not in peens camp to where I'm ready to declare him SB MVP yet, but he has more upside than a short yardage QB.

I agree with you DC, I thought he showed some promise,that long release caused him some problems but it will be interesting to see how he develops into an NFL QB.

I think the point has been made though that to be an NFL QB he is going to have to be able to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield to his WRs, he looks like he may have a good chance to learn that,his legs will be a secondary threat. ALA a John Elway or a Steve Young type.


KING