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Definitely not good news for a struggling economy that has had billions and billion ... and even a couple trillions of government money thrown into it in the past 2 years ....

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/96134704.html

Retail sales drop 1.2 percent in May
By Martin Crutsinger
Associated Press

POSTED: 08:41 a.m. EDT, Jun 11, 2010

WASHINGTON: Retail sales plunged in May by the largest amount in eight months as Americans slashed spending on everything from cars to clothing. The big drop raises new worries about the durability of the economic recovery.
Spending fell 1.2 percent last month, the Commerce Department said Friday. Auto sales were down 1.7 percent but there was weakness in a number of areas. Excluding autos, sales fell 1.1 percent.

The big decline cast new doubts about the strength of the economic recovery. Consumer spending accounts for 70 percent of total economic activity. Economists are concerned that households will start trimming outlays as they continued to be battered by high unemployment and a swoon in stock prices.
Investors have sold off stocks for more than a month because of concerns that Europe's sovereign debt crisis will slow a worldwide economic rebound. The Dow Jones industrial average fell 7.9 percent last month, the worst May for the blue chip index since 1940.

The decline in May retail sales was the largest since sales had fallen 2.2 percent in September. Analysts had been forecasting sales would be weak but remain in positive territory.


Department store sales fell 1.8 percent while sales in the broader category of general merchandise stores, which includes big retailers such as Wal-Mart, fell 1.1 percent.

Gasoline stations sales were down 3.3 percent, a drop that reflected in part lower gasoline pump prices during the month.

The Federal Reserve reported Thursday that households' net worth rose for the fourth consecutive quarter, but since then stock prices have been tumbling. Economists say it may not be until 2012 or 2013 at best before Americans' wealth returns to its pre-recession levels.
Last week, the International Council of Shopping Centers reported that its index for revenue at stores open at least a year posted a 2.6 percent rise in May compared to sales in May 2009. That followed a 0.8 percent April increase and a 9 percent surge in March.

Target Corp. posted a small gain in May that was below internal forecasts while department store chain J.C. Penney Co. and many teen merchants including Abercrombie & Fitch Co. and American Eagle Outfitters Inc. reported declines in revenue at stores open at least a year.

The overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, grew at an annual rate of 3 percent in the first three months of this year with much of that growth reflecting a 3.5 percent expansion in consumer spending, the best showing for this category in three years.


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without knowing what normally happens to consumer spending in May, I don't gain much from that article.

does consumer spending usually go up in May? does it usually go down and is this just a part of it?

how much of that 3% gasoline drop was due to lower prices (they mention but not the % difference)?


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From the article:

The decline in May retail sales was the largest since sales had fallen 2.2 percent in September.


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without knowing what normally happens to consumer spending in May, I don't gain much from that article.

does consumer spending usually go up in May? does it usually go down and is this just a part of it?

how much of that 3% gasoline drop was due to lower prices (they mention but not the % difference)?




I also question how they arrive at those numbers. It seemed everyone has been having huge sales since early April. Add that prices on big ticket items like HDTVs has fallen drastically. Is it overall dollars sold? Units sold? or a formula between both and more?

Kind of like movies breaking box office records, easy to do when tickets are $10 versus the $1.50 I paid as a kid.


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The decline in May retail sales was the largest since sales had fallen 2.2 percent in September.




I don't care about sales falling in September though. I was referring to what do sales usually do in May of each year. School is letting out, summer hasn't quite begun. Does that usually cause sales to usually spike or drop?

I don't know, but the article should have stated.


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also, as far as September goes, I believe sale figures usually do drop in September each year.

people are buying up school supplies, clothes, et cetera in August which usually helps spike sales.


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And after that report came out the market rallied hard.

So could not have been as bad as some were thinking.


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To answer your question .... May 2009 retail sales increased by ,9%.


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To answer your question .... May 2009 retail sales increased by ,9%.




Thanks. I found this site too:

http://www.forecast-chart.com/chart-retail-sales.html

It shows the retail sales per month since 1992. On average, sales go up around 0.5% in May, but there are many years it did drop. I'll take a further look at the numbers later this afternoon if I can (i need to move them to an excel sheet to see if I can see some better indicators than this straight chart form)


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From the article:

The decline in May retail sales was the largest since sales had fallen 2.2 percent in September.




I don't care about sales falling in September though. I was referring to what do sales usually do in May of each year. School is letting out, summer hasn't quite begun. Does that usually cause sales to usually spike or drop?

I don't know, but the article should have stated.




In theory these should be comps to last year. That said the article doesn't clearly state that. In general businesses state gains or losses in comparison to the same period a year earlier. This makes it apples to apples, if they were comparing May to April it's pretty apples to oranges.

That said I have trouble believing that anyone has negative comps to 2009 right now.

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I agree they should be doing May to May, I read it as April to May, but they were not clear.

If it is May to May, that is definitely bad news as May '09 was only at $340bil (our lowest point in the past year and 3rd lowest in the last 5 years)


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without knowing what normally happens to consumer spending in May, I don't gain much from that article.

does consumer spending usually go up in May? does it usually go down and is this just a part of it?

how much of that 3% gasoline drop was due to lower prices (they mention but not the % difference)?




Good question.

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Apr 08 +0.20%..........May 08 +0.79%
Apr 07 -0.20%.......... May 07 +1.52%
Apr 06 +1.15%..........May 06 -0.56%
Apr 05 +1.64%..........May 05 -0.40%
Apr 04 -1.16%..........May 04 2.31%
Apr 03 0.00%..........May 03 -0.26%
Apr 02 +1.69%..........May 02 -1.66%
Apr 01 +1.49%..........May 01 0.32%
Apr 00 -1.52%..........May 00 0.16%

What I see is a big difference 7 the last 10 years between April and May. 2003 and 2008 are the exceptions and I don't have data for 2009. The new retail numbers do not scare me because of this.

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Is it bad news? Then why did the market rally hard after it came out?


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Is it bad news? Then why did the market rally hard after it came out?




they expected worse?


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I like that site better than the one I posted. More info and better tables.

Thanks.


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its just missing 2009...

I guess I shouldn't be, but I'm a little surprised at the high percentage of sales figures attributed to auto sales. It looks to average 15-20%.

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Is it bad news? Then why did the market rally hard after it came out?




they expected worse?




Numbers came out, market rallied hard and quickly. So that would indicate that 'they' were happy w/ the report.


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Is it bad news? Then why did the market rally hard after it came out?




they expected worse?




Numbers came out, market rallied hard and quickly. So that would indicate that 'they' were happy w/ the report.





exactly, if "they" expected the numbers to be worse than they were, then the market would rally.

just like when a company's stock tanks despite "record profits" because they weren't quite as good as people expected.


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Is it bad news? Then why did the market rally hard after it came out?




they expected worse?




Numbers came out, market rallied hard and quickly. So that would indicate that 'they' were happy w/ the report.





exactly, if "they" expected the numbers to be worse than they were, then the market would rally.

just like when a company's stock tanks despite "record profits" because they weren't quite as good as people expected.




Yeah, I know how it works. I'm a trader. lol

Just interesting the spin this thread took meanwhile the market said it was a good report.


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