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Matt Roth wants out of Cleveland Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on May 17, 2010 11:29 AM ET Browns outside linebacker Matt Roth is hoping his stay in Cleveland is a short one. Six months after Roth essentially forced his way out of Miami and the Browns claimed him off waivers, Roth asked Cleveland to trade him Monday, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The unsigned restricted free agent wants a multi-year contract extension, and the two sides aren't close to reaching one. Roth had four sacks in six starts in Cleveland last year. He's expected to start this season. Roth is by all accounts a solid player, but is he good enough to have much leverage here? Last year, the Dolphins just got sick of him enough to cut him. We mentioned Sunday that the Browns have discussed lowering the tender offer for their restricted free agents if the players don't show up by June 15. It appears the standoff with Roth could take a while. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/17/matt-roth-wants-out-of-cleveland/What else is new.. ? Just look at who his agent is,
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He's gonna get paid. Dunno about the other guys. Harrison deserves a bone.
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For all of the Matt Roth lovefest that's going on here, the guy is starting to look like a schmuck.
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Is this more of Rosenhaus having his client do some postering?
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yea. I could see why tuna got rid of him, with no compensation in return. This guy plays good for a short period, and wants a multi-year deal in return. Unbelievable.
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These guys have a pretty small window to get rich. There is zero risk giving him a front loaded 2-3 year contract. Also, it's not my money.  Pay him.
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These guys have a pretty small window to get rich. There is zero risk giving him a front loaded 2-3 year contract.
Also, it's not my money. Pay him.
One other thing figuring into their thinking is that there currently is no salary cap. If a cao reappears next season .... then they have to negotiate under the terms of that cap.
No one expects the cap to increase.
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For all of the Matt Roth lovefest that's going on here, the guy is starting to look like a schmuck.
Sometimes you gotta look like an arse in order to see if you can actually get a new deal.
Business is business. He shouldn't be judged on the advice of his agent. That doesn't mean he isn't an arse, but rather this kind of posturing is a necessary evil of negotiations.
How many times have you or someone you know feigned outrage when bargaining at the new car sales table?  I have. It saved me money. That doesn't make me a volatile lunatic, it just makes me look like one out of negotiating necessity.
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For all of the Matt Roth lovefest that's going on here, the guy is starting to look like a schmuck.
Sometimes you gotta look like an arse in order to see if you can actually get a new deal.
Business is business. He shouldn't be judged on the advice of his agent. That doesn't mean he isn't an arse, but rather this kind of posturing is a necessary evil of negotiations.
How many times have you or someone you know feigned outrage when bargaining at the new car sales table? I have. It saved me money. That doesn't make me a volatile lunatic, it just makes me look like one out of negotiating necessity.
Roth isn't doing anything that Cribbs didn't do.
And it worked for him, so ........
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These guys have a pretty small window to get rich.
I know but he had 4 or 5 pretty pedestrian years in Miami, then a handful of decent games here and now he's spouting off about wanting paid... dude is lucky we was even on the field last year.
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One other thing figuring into their thinking is that there currently is no salary cap. If a cao reappears next season .... then they have to negotiate under the terms of that cap.
Not that there would have to be, but doesn't it make a little sense that there would be some kind of grandfather clause for deals struck this year?
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Roth can ask to be traded all he wants, but he hold zero leverage. Also I doubt any team stepping up and giving us anything of value for him that would make us want to give up our starting OLBer.
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For all of the Matt Roth lovefest that's going on here, the guy is starting to look like a schmuck.
Sometimes you gotta look like an arse in order to see if you can actually get a new deal.
Business is business. He shouldn't be judged on the advice of his agent. That doesn't mean he isn't an arse, but rather this kind of posturing is a necessary evil of negotiations.
How many times have you or someone you know feigned outrage when bargaining at the new car sales table? I have. It saved me money. That doesn't make me a volatile lunatic, it just makes me look like one out of negotiating necessity.
Roth isn't doing anything that Cribbs didn't do.
And it worked for him, so ........
Cribbs is a two time all pro selection, while roth has averaged less than 3 sacks in his career. He could try, but I don't see the production that merits a hefty contract.
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I hate when people in this city automatically assume "requesting a trade" means "the player is leaving town ASAP, sky is falling, folks!"
Not so much on here, but in general.
Go on people, simple RFA contract posturing. Nothing to see here, he'll be in in a month or else.
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Does anyone know what he's asking for?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Does anyone know what he's asking for?
Doesn't really matter what he wants. He's not even played a full season for the Browns. His tender is for serious money. He can either take it and play for a contract or he can go fishing for a year. After that year is up he can start calling around and get "Matt who?" an awful lot.
I like him and think he's got something to offer the team. He needs to prove it this year.
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After that year is up he can start calling around and get "Matt who?" an awful lot.
If I have this right, and I believe I do,,, he can't sit out and go fishing and hope he gets a team interested in him next year.. his rights would still be ours..
Basically, he's stuck....
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One other thing figuring into their thinking is that there currently is no salary cap. If a cao reappears next season .... then they have to negotiate under the terms of that cap.
Not that there would have to be, but doesn't it make a little sense that there would be some kind of grandfather clause for deals struck this year?
I doubt it.
However, that doesn't matter as far as a player like Roth is concerned. He wants a long term deal (with signing bonus) negotiated under the current terms rather than chancing a lowered cap and thus lowered deal next year.
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After that year is up he can start calling around and get "Matt who?" an awful lot.
If I have this right, and I believe I do,,, he can't sit out and go fishing and hope he gets a team interested in him next year.. his rights would still be ours..
Basically, he's stuck....
That's not how I read it. But I'm wrong more often than not. I always thought RFA's had the option tn not accept the offer much like draftees don't have to sign the contract.
ETA: I read the other thread on RFA's and think I understand now.
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If Roth is looking to break bank, he can blow. He had half a season of solid play. He wasn't a true game changer....just a good player.
I'm fine with giving him a longer deal but if he thinks were going to blow mad cash on him, he can blow. If he wants to sign a longer deal with alot of incentive clauses, then cool. But no way should we throw mad cash at a guy who hasn't shown true star quality yet.
If we can't reach a reasonable deal with him, I'd be fine trading him for a 3rd if anyone is dumb enough to do it.
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His situation and Cribb's couldn't be more different.
Cribbs had consistently outplayed his contract (an understatement), while Roth probably hasn't even met the whole team yet. The guy needs to play at least one full season.
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jc Ya'll a stingy bunch.  He already proven to me he's better than the other guys we got. IMO hes the best OLB we've seen here in some time. It's an uncapped year and Randys money.If what hes asking is reasonable take a chance and sign him before things get ugly. The guy played well and the way I understand it if it weren't for the CBA thing he'd have been a UFA anyway. I'd hate to see a good player (they're so rare here) get away cuz we're pinching pennies in an uncapped year.
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Bah... as has already been said, this is just posturing to try and get Cleveland to flinch and pay him more than he's proven to be worth (to date, at least). Can't blame him for trying. IMO, his best bet is going to end up being to sign and play under his 1-year tender and PROVE he's worth the bigger contract. Given the uncertainty around what the new CBA will end up looking like, teams just aren't going throw bags of money at guys like this. If he isn't worth a 2nd-round draft pick to anybody, I wonder what makes him think he's worth more than the tender contract value in the open market. 
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Ditto, Lifer.
Play a whole year in Cleveland, Roth.
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So what. I want to go to the Bahahamas and people in hell want lemonade. Shut up and soldier, soldier. He is too good for us to lose. See why the Finnys got shut of him if this is it. We are all playing dressup and pretend. Not sure he is a many-year ink candidate. Meh. Pay the man. Force an offer on him. This media pollution with who is not willing to practice much less play is hardly a momentum builder. No takers yet.   
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The team is refusing to negotiate with any of them, so they haven't asked for anything other than a long term deal.
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Nothing Guarnented anyway, sign him for a fair contract, nothing guarented, he turns into a lazy schmuck cut him like Miami,
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The team is refusing to negotiate with any of them, so they haven't asked for anything other than a long term deal.
Thank you Peen.
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Well, at least they are treating them all equally right? LOL
Goes back to this isn't reflective of what they think of any of these guys.. it's all about the cap..
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I can't imagine a situation where players have less leverage than our RFAs. Either you (a) sign the one-year deal now, (b) sign a potentially lower one-year deal after June 15th, (c) find someone to give us something we actually want for you (not happening) or (d) sit out a year and... sign a one-year deal with us next year. THE BEST OF ALL THOSE OPTIONS IS A!  Sign the paper, boys.
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Rosenhaus and the likes probably follow fan sites. I'm sure they are trying to use some of the fodder for backing. Many on here talk as if the guy is a probowler. I like his playing style, but he has not been around long enough to make a true judgement.
It's getting to the late innings, and these guys know they have no leverage. I understand that they want security, but if signing a one year contract for 1.8 million is that bad, find a new team.
I guessing that H and H are using these tenders to buy evaluation time. I see them getting these guys in camp and playing, and if they are productive, signing them during the season. IMO, it's a good method seeing that they still have to evaluate the roster some.
Calling any of these guys selfish or greedy right now seems a little harsh. Now if they sit out camp or any mandatory stuff, then screw em.
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I wonder if this is about money or JUST NOT WANTING TO PLAY FOR THE BROWNS??? I mean seriously, this guy was one of few bright spots last year. He came in mid-season to what I could only guess he would percieve as an absolute cluster(mess) of a team. He just came from a turn around in Miami that didn't pan out too well for him. Maybe he misses the Miami weather/lifestyle. Maybe he wants to go to a more stable team were he is a rotational back-up...
Just thinking... probably the money, but who knows. Has anyone read that he EVER wanted to be in Cleveland?
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Just thinking... probably the money, but who knows. Has anyone read that he EVER wanted to be in Cleveland?
pretty sure that he wants to be on the team that will pay him the highest amount of $$$.
unfortunately for him, the NFL has it setup that the Browns are the only ones allowed to bid on him. so, it is by default us.
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Well, at least they are treating them all equally right? LOL
Goes back to this isn't reflective of what they think of any of these guys.. it's all about the cap..
I was just answering the question to the best of my knowledge. I wasn't making any statement on if it was right or wrong, equal or unequal.
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One other thing to consider:
There is a possibility of a lockout next season. Personally I can't see the NFL slaying the sacred cow ... but stranger things have happened.
Now, If a team signs a guy to a long term deal ... with an appropriate signing bonus .. then loses a year of his playing "life" to a lockout .... they might have overpaid dramatically. Their "pro-rating" of the signing bonus might have been for a 5 year remaining career, but if the players are locked out then the guy sits for 1 of those "useful" years. I would be surprised to see any long term deals for our RFA. Most are moderately proven at best .... and if they do poorly this season, their contract situation could turn into a gigantic mess in a lnew labor deal.
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The team is refusing to negotiate with any of them, so they haven't asked for anything other than a long term deal.
I thought I read a quote from Heckert that the FO has discussed long term contracts with some of the RFAs but are not anywhere close to a deal.
The Browns and the players could yet reach an agreement before June 15, but as someone else said before,why not use this coming season as an evaluation period.
All the RFAs will be in by June 15. If I were them I would use this as an opportunity to miss OTAs and sleep in my own bed for a few extra weeks.
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A 6 game wonder is at least a step up from what we're used to  Hopefully he doesn't become a headache for us like he was in Miami, but the guy must have been pretty bad to just get outright cut like that when he obviously has some talent. Not a good history there.
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These guys signing is not going to automatically make us a playoff team, it isnt make or break so why would we over pay for them, I cant blame them for wanting all the money they can get, it's human nature, but they can be replaced have been replaced before and need to understand making $750,000 per year is better than nothing.
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I was just answering the question to the best of my knowledge. I wasn't making any statement on if it was right or wrong, equal or unequal.
I know,, that's why the LOL at the end of my first comment.. The second comment was just my thinking as to why this is happening...
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