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A while back I asked a similar question, and the FO seemed to hit just about every spot.
RG/RT - My dream here is an RT good enough to start and move Pashos to guard, like we did with Tucker but earlier in his career. We could just go RG at a lower priority.
Corner - Sheldon Brown addressed this nicely, still need some young'uns for the future but priority Much lower.
Safety - I find it fascinating that one of the two or three areas of greatest need was not covered in FA, with most projections having the draft's best safety falling to us at # 7.
LB - Gocong for Wimbley plus Fujita, I would be inclined to give Roth and Barnard more time, still need an impact player here but not as bad.
RB - a fair amount of potential with little track record, could still use a major talent but that can wait.
TE - Adding Watson just about dropped this off the list
WR- we do need another threat to complement Mo, I'd take another one just like him, but not a first day headcase.
DL I'm really OK with, but another end would be nice.
QB is the big question. Obviously we need one but this does not seem to be the year to spend big, and we just need too much. Get a third-rounder, or a second for McCoy, but don't mortgage the farm. Next year gives us a better shot, and time for more improvements.
Safety and guard/tackle stand out as the biggest areas to fix. WR next. Linebacker, corner, DL, RB, TE. QB as a value pick.
I'm just saying, Mr. Holmgren, sir, seeing as how you must have read the last wishlist, here's the new one.
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I was expecting this thread to start up tomorrow or perhaps this weekend.
a bit early as most of this is being discussed in all the draft threads. now, after the draft, yeah, then we'll have a whole new ballgame.
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Teams biggest needs:
1. QB
2. Safety
3. Defenisve Line (Defensive End and depth)
4. Offensive Line (both at Tackle and Guard)
5. CB (Need someone that can start in a year, and depth)
6. WR
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5. CB (Need someone that can start in a year, and depth)
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Could not agree with you more, I think the order of need is right on the money.If we have an 8-8 season, which is about the best I expect for 2010, then we will be picking in the late teens next year. That would mean giving up a lot more in the 2011 draft, to get a shot at one of the better QB's. So if Berry is off the board, why not take Claussen now, he'll be ready for next year. 
The odds of finding another Brady are huge, unless you do, you never go to a SB, what Claussen doesn't know, he can learn from Jake very easily. He's a very smart kid, just look how much he progressed every year at ND, with the worst OL in the history of the school and very little other help and a terrible "D" to boot.
He had 28 TD's and 4 INT's one of which was right off the receivers hands and a lot of droped passes to boot. With a good OL and sure handed receivers he could have 80% completions and a QB rating in the 90's or better. Pete Carrol tried to get him over Sanchez, if he did he probably would have won two or three nations titles, before he left. 
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6. WR
Could not agree with you more, I think the order of need is right on the money.If we have an 8-8 season, which is about the best I expect for 2010, then we will be picking in the late teens next year. That would mean giving up a lot more in the 2011 draft, to get a shot at one of the better QB's. So if Berry is off the board, why not take Claussen now, he'll be ready for next year.
The odds of finding another Brady are huge, unless you do, you never go to a SB, what Claussen doesn't know, he can learn from Jake very easily. He's a very smart kid, just look how much he progressed every year at ND, with the worst OL in the history of the school and very little other help and a terrible "D" to boot.
He had 28 TD's and 4 INT's one of which was right off the receivers hands and a lot of droped passes to boot. With a good OL and sure handed receivers he could have 80% completions and a QB rating in the 90's or better. Pete Carrol tried to get him over Sanchez, if he did he probably would have won two or three nations titles, before he left.
whatchu talkin aboot? hehe
I think we need "S", then QB....and wouldnt be suprised if we do get Berry, and McCoy both....tonight!!! I think it was Mary Kay who called it the Texas-two step...if so thats a dance move I will gladly dance with
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DB
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QB
RB
WR
In that order. I hope that we come away from this draft with an impact player at Safety and DE ..... and solid players at CB and DE ..... a solid G prospect ...... a fast WR (as Holmgren seems to desire) .... and possibly a developmental QB.
I just don't see this as the year to go gaga over a QB. The team isn't ready for a rookie QB to come in and succeed ..... and this draft is pretty bad as far as QBs IMESHO.
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I imagine they plan on taking a QB one or two years earlier than they want him to start. That takes the pressure off and allows them to groom their QB of the future.
If they take a QB this year, that means to me that they want him to be ready to start in 1-2 years (and consequently, have a team around him to succeed in the same amount of time).
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The problem is that I don't see a franchise guy available when we pick. Clausen is probably the closest thing ..... but I don't think he's going to be a great one ..... and the rest are a crap shoot. Plus, I no longer trust QBs whose first names end is "Y" or "IE". Charlie, Timmy, Brady ...Billy ... Tommy ......sorry, but I want a Tom .... Bill ..... Joe ... (NOT Joey) or other mature name. It took Tommy Maddox 10 years to mature into a decent QB. I am becoming convinced that names almost matter with a QB ..... in that a guy with an immature name qill not succeed. (Like a Jimmy, Joey, Tommy, Billy, etc.) Oh, no "initial" guys either. No JP, or JD ....... Not scientific ..... but on the other hand ... it's not scientific. 
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Hey... judging by how well we've done with QBs since we came back into the league, your name-based selection criteria MAY actually be an improvement over what we've used in the past to evaluate prospective signal callers.  Hopefully, Team Holmgren has a slightly more accurate method in mind though.
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I imagine they plan on taking a QB one or two years earlier than they want him to start. That takes the pressure off and allows them to groom their QB of the future.
If they take a QB this year, that means to me that they want him to be ready to start in 1-2 years (and consequently, have a team around him to succeed in the same amount of time).
I agree, it's a shame it never works out that way because as soon as we start to lose (which is usually week 1) the fans and media will start with the "If we're going to lose we might as well get the rookie some experience" argument...
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1. Safety
2. WR
3. QB
4. OLB
5. RB
6. CB
7. OL/DL depth
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A real wide receiver and the forgotten need
Nose Tackle of the future, Defensive tackle.
Besides a real WR, they also need a decent WR to compliment the WR that they don't even have!
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A real wide receiver and the forgotten need
Nose Tackle of the future, Defensive tackle.
Besides a real WR, they also need a decent WR to compliment the WR that they don't even have!
Is there a vet or FA wide receiver (you have your eye on) who would be an upgrade?
We have two good nose tackles now...how many do you want to carry on the roster?
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A real wide receiver and the forgotten need
Nose Tackle of the future, Defensive tackle.
Besides a real WR, they also need a decent WR to compliment the WR that they don't even have!
Is there a vet or FA wide receiver (you have your eye on) who would be an upgrade?
We have two good nose tackles now...how many do you want to carry on the roster?
T. O. is available
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T.O....hmmm. Interesting. The guyss at a point where age is beginning to humble him and if he had an ounce of integrity left (if he had any) he could be a skills teacher to our youngsters. Yeah it's a stretch I know but Jake and him could probably hook up alot in the year. Sure it may take touches from the young guys but man I'd hope that Owens in his last year or so would go out with dignity and a teachers mentality.
Pipe dream I'm sure but hey.
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Just say NO to T.O.
We still need depth at the 2 most critical areas of the team. OL and DL. Hopefully we'll be calling gobs of lineman to bring into camp.
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Lol. I was going to say Training Camp.
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I second this choice.
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I would like to get another veteran offensive linemen in to replace St. Clair. I don't know who that player is but I think it would be nice to have a little more depth there so that if a guy does go down we don't have to put St. Clair in. Also, like others have said, I would like to see a veteran receiver brought in just so we have a little more experience at that position. Guys like Kelley Washington, Bobby Wade, or Josh Reed would be fine with me.
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How about Jake Delhomme's old teammate Muhsin Muhammad? I think he's a free agent.
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What is Mohammad now,, 36,,,
Wasn't his real name something like Melvin Campbell or something...
Don't know,, does he have anything left in the tank?
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My thoughts exactly! I'm all for bringing in a decent vet at WR, but no way to T.O. He has talent but has been a cancer on every team he's ever played with. Plus he's comign off his worst year of his career. No way do I want him in Cleveland.
Coles is still out there, though I don't think he had a great year last year either
Tory Holt is an UFA (again getting really old but could give some leadership)
Muhamid from Carolina I think is an UFA
So aparently I like the older guys haha... but I do think we need to bring in another WR or two through Free Agency or one of the undrafted guys... not going to get a #1 WR but maybe a guy who can come in an d mentor our younger guys.
T.O. is not a mentor.
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jay, i may be mistaken, but I thought Holt signed this past week...maybe New England? Maybe I'm wrong.
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no way to T.O. He has talent but has been a cancer on every team he's ever played with
I find it interesting that McNabb wants TO again even after TO threw him under the bus. I dont think he was a cancer last year. I think maybe he has been humbled enough to consider.
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Most of you guys are going to think I'm crazy, but I don't think the Browns are nearly as bad off at WR as most of you think.
I would rather see what these young players do in camp with legit QBs throwing at them. Ultimately, I would prefer to see the existing squad develop and I think we will see some good production from these guys.
I don't want T.O., or any 34+ guys brought in here. The bar was set last year for the whole team as far as work ethic and their approach to practice. They won't need a vet to teach them that. Let 'em play and see what happens. If they don't look better coming out of camp, then maybe bring somebody in on a trade or whatever.
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I don't think you're crazy. I'm very interested in seeing what MoMass, Robo, JC, Jake Allen & Carlton Mitchell can bring to the party. I'm still waiting to see what Robo can do, and JC gets better at WR every year. Both Allen and Mitchell have the size. I'm hoping there's a nice surprise in there somewhere and we end up with four guys who can catch the ball and make plays. Having said that, I still expect an UDFA or two and maybe a useful Vet, if one can be found, not named T.O.
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I don't think you're crazy. I'm very interested in seeing what MoMass, Robo, JC, Jake Allen & Carlton Mitchell can bring to the party.
You forget two names, Chancey Stuckey, a guy who came to us mid-year, and has been very useful in the past for the Jets. In fact on Jets Radio 1050, they often talk about how they got screwed over in the deal for Edwards, and how they would sometimes prefer Stuckey, a slot guy who has decent hands. Stuckey should look much better this year once he has a training camp to work with the offense and get used to the playbook. He wasn't bad for the NYJ, he could easily be our number 3 WR this year.
Also some dude named Schaffering, a guy who the coaches supposidly think very highly of, according to some people on this board.
I still prefer Cribbs as solely wildcat and special teams extraordinaire. I know he wants to be a WR, but it's really not in the cards IMO. Sorry Seneca, but if you look at Cribbs' production numbers in the Flash package, they're pretty good. I dunno what Seneca's numbers are for his wildcat in SEA, but I have a hard time believing that he can take that one from Cribbs
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Unless you mean Brian Schaefering, the DT, I'm not sure who you mean.
I didn't forget Stuckey, just don't view him as the future, but more of a stop gap until someone comes in and fills the slot, ala Robo. You might be right, though, about him ending up in the slot as the #3 this year, maybe even across from MoMass if someone doesn't step up.
IMO, bottom line is, we need to get to the point where we can comfortably run a 4 receiver set without crapping our pants, and we need to get there soon.
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haha, you are correct. I'm mistaking a guy's who i heard people are thinking highly of. given that he really hasn't seen the field, I obviously know little about him.
But yeah, if you are hoping for a decent 4 WR set, don't get your hopes up. How man receivers do you see us carrying? I don't think we dare put Mitchell on the PS for fear of someone picking him up.
May be that Allen guy hits the road, and we pick up another vet. I just hope it's not whiteboy Mike Furrey or someone like him. I'd rather have someone who still has legs under them. But yeah, we aren't going to carry more than 5 WRs on gameday and that might even be counting Cribbs. So don't get your hopes up for 4 WR sets. More like 3 WR and 1TE sets
But yeah, trust, Stuckey is good enough to be at least our number 3/4 guy for a couple years. He has more talent than what we saw last year. He was a Jet, so I used to watch him frequently
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Figure we'll keep five or six. The questions right now are, who takes the #2 spot, and who takes Furrey's spot? Robo/Cribbs? Stuckey/Cribbs? Cribbs/Robo or Stuckey? Or, does one of these other guys step up and into the mix, like one of the bigger young guys working his way to the number two spot and Robo ends up in the slot? It's a little unnerving not knowing, but exciting to anticipate and interesting to wonder.
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Well, I see that unit like this.
MoMass, as we all know had a pretty good rookie season. It's reasonable to hope that he will be at least that productive, probably better, which would be 800+ yards. I call that part of the solution.
Robo is a concern. At some point, he should have made a couple plays. I seem to remember reading somewhere that BR was not a very willing blocker or STer. Maybe the doghouse was his problem. Anyways he was disappointing. He might be the key to this group making the strides it needs to. He better be working at it while I type this, since with a pro WR coach as his father he has all the support he needs to turn it around, and just has to provide the gumption.
Stuckey is a good player. IMO he is a solid #3. Not spectacular, but he was relatively productive, was on his way to a 500 yard season before he got here. He's not a problem.
Cribbs still hasn't made himself into a solid WR. The braintrust here needs to figure out how to use him, I'm hoping with a year under his belt Daboll can get it done. I have high hopes for Cribbs and his continued development. He got his contract redone, will know what position he plays going into the season and can concentrate on becoming better at it.
These four guys collectively IMO are going to be leaps and bounds more productive than they were last year. With improved QB play, a year of experience together, and without the uncertainties going into the season these guys are in a much better position to succeed.
If Mitchell makes himself a productive part of the offense this year that's just icing. I don't expect a lot of him this year.
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alright Alright , the Question has been raised, rate the Wide recievers and what they will bring to the table in 2010 projectedly as far as we can tell today.
1 Mohammed Massaquoi, best of the rest, not much of a #1 but by process of noone else is around the #1 guy, a little like Kevin Johnson in 99' if anybody is going to be afraid oh him itll be by what he shows from now on.
2 Brian Robiskie, If he has potential, or playing time then maybe he can break out and be solid? If he doesn't see the field then What the?
At battle for the #2 spot, Syndric Steptoe, it is his 3rd year I think, maybe he wakes up and finds new ways to create open looks and make catches in traffic, ( I'm basing my new hope in that somehow Carlton Mitchell or somebody can line up and change the dynamic, change the coverage which would allow Steptoe, in a year where he knows whats coming, to catch deep passes, and more.
The number 3 spot Stuckey, Boy the coaches must love this player about as much as I don't.
The battle for the #3 spot or #4 Carlton Mitchell, I can't decide if I should expect more like a clone of Frismond Jackson, or a clone of Tim Carter.
Then they have Jake Allen and who did I forget? They got rid of everybody else?
To get production they may have to make lemons out of lemonade. but that is what a coach is for.
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Well, I looked at the UFA FA list, and it is elder statemen or underperformers.
With Dallas bringing in Dez Bryant, Roy Williams, Patrick Creighton or Sam Heard may be available.
The list of unsigned, unrestricted free agents.
Furrey, Mike
Galloway, Joey
Lewis, Greg
Muhammad, Muhsin
Owens, Terrell
Reed, Josh
Tyree, David
Wade, Bobby
Washington, Kelley
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I just want to add this: I am very concerned about our d-line depth.
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I have been harping this since the end of last season.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
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My needs would be as follows and in order.........
1. Starting RG
2. DL
3. WR
If we could find cuts or trades to fill those 3 before TC we have a shot at being competitive next season. ESPN is reporting (take with the grain of salt) that we are interested in John Henderson, and Faneca was released. If you sign those two guys I think you can be around .500 this year............oh and find another WR.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
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Quote:
J/C
My needs would be as follows and in order.........
1. Starting RG
2. DL
3. WR
If we could find cuts or trades to fill those 3 before TC we have a shot at being competitive next season. ESPN is reporting (take with the grain of salt) that we are interested in John Henderson, and Faneca was released. If you sign those two guys I think you can be around .500 this year............oh and find another WR.
I'd say those r the 3 but in reverse order... 
We MUST get a Wide-out with experience out there...We won't do squat offensively until we do...We cannot continue running Cribbs/Stuckey/Furrey as our #2's...And Robiskie best get his head outta wherever it is and get on the damn field...
No excuses why in year 2 that a 2nd round receiver isn't on the field the majority of the time...
Go Browns!!!
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And here's one right off the bat...And there will be more to follow...
CRAYTON...Dallas....
"It didn't take long before the dominoes began to fall following the Cowboys decision to draft receiver Dez Bryant with the 24th overall pick in Thursday's NFL Draft.Receiver Patrick Crayton has been given permission to seek a trade, according to his agent Fred Lyles.
"Crayton is not upset," Lyles said. "He is looking forward to opportunities that await for him in the future whether its in Dallas or somewhere else." Bryant is expected to be one of the team's top three receivers and also return kicks and punts, which makes Crayton's future unclear with the team.
Crayton has been the team's third receiver and primary punt returner. He is scheduled to make $2 million next season.
Go Browns!!!
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