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Krista Ramsey Cincinnati.Com » Krista Ramsey Last Updated: 7:04 pm | Friday, March 26, 2010 The Millennials just might prove us wrong BY KRISTA RAMSEY • KRAMSEY@ENQUIRER.COM • MARCH 26, 2010 Comments (7) Recommend (16) Print this page ShareThis Font size:AA The biggest fear for many Americans isn't how they'll work their way out of a bad economy. It's how their children will - or if they will. It's bad enough that the Millennials - Americans ages 18 to 29 - will have higher health care costs, smaller pensions, bigger college loans, fewer job options and a whopping national debt to pay off. What feels worse to parents is that, almost from infancy, this was the generation told it could have it all. These are the kids who had passports before they had drivers' licenses, who stopped by the Lost and Found at school not for sweat shirts and lunchboxes, but for laptops and iPods. Life, they grew up believing, was the golden land of opportunity waiting for them on the other side of summer camps, internships and degrees from Very Good Colleges. And while some people say they're pampered - the "Look At Me Generation" - it's fairer to call them protected. They grew up with bicycle helmets, arranged play dates, graduated driver's licenses and chicken pox vaccines. It seems these hothouse-raised young people could hardly have been worse prepared for the abrupt transition to a cold economy. But as with so many other things about this fascinating baby-boomlet, this is where the Millennials could prove us wrong. In February, the Pew Research Center held a conference on their attitudes, habits and values. There were scary numbers - such as that 37 percent of them are unemployed or out of the workforce, the highest percentage in 40 years. But the overall portrait that emerged was of a technologically savvy and restlessly ambitious generation that might just have the self-confidence and pluck to pull not only themselves through a bad economy, but the rest of us with them. In their favor is a sense that, while they may not believe they can change the world, they know they can change their world. As opposed to their parents' marches to end wars and challenge social conventions, Millennials prefer smaller, quicker and closer solutions. They tap into their contacts on social networks. They descend in small groups for specific community efforts and then fly off to other things. They may have little interest in long-term joining, but - raised on collaborative learning theories - they know full well how to pitch in. They are also optimists at core. Nine in 10 believe they have or will have enough money. They are open-minded, embrace other cultures and think change rocks. Of those under 25, a full 40 percent are in college - the highest percentage of any generation at that age. Sure, one reason is because jobs aren't there, but it's also because they bought in when their parents said education opens every door. And speaking of parents - unlike baby boomers who notoriously distrusted anyone older than 30, Millennials not only consider their parents great friends but want to live near them. OK, for 13 percent that means the family basement - that's the portion that has moved back home. But taken in a different light, Millennials understand a critically important truth - that throughout history, humans have survived tough times by relying on one another. And they've survived by starting things, from fires to dot-coms. Millennials are starters. They're early adopters. Whether fueled by short attention spans, the desire to be special or simply a collective burst of creativity, they'd rather start their own project than tag along on somebody else's. And they have the technological skills and fearlessness to jump out on their own. If they are our Millennials, they probably scare us with their daring and frustrate us with their lofty goals and constant texting. But to a world with badly shaken confidence and daunting problems, 45 million can-do, why-not young people may be the best resource we've got. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100326/COL01/3260370/The-Millennials-just-might-prove-us-wrong
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It's a good article.
I think some of the Millenials may have been correct in valuing education; however, I think some of that particular generation may have thought "you go to college, get your degree and get a good job right away." They thought, well all our friends are doing it, it's expected to go to a 4-year college (say, versus the military or a vo-ed school or just straight-up working).
When I was in high school back in the '90s the amount of kids in the area that went to community college (Lakeland Community College in Kirtland) was maybe about 15-20 percent per grade. So, about 30 or 40 out of a class of 200. Now, it's about half per grade, or 90-100 out of 200.
Kids who went to college and majored in things like Poli-sci, philosophy, etc. realized (or should realize) unless they plan on teaching, there's not a market out there...kids who go into nursing or the hard sciences (biology, engineering, chem, pharmacology, psychiatry) have a good shot at being "recession-proof."
Some kids I know who went to vo-ed school (Mayfield, for instance, or Auburn Career Center) wound up in good trades (auto body, mechanical engineering) even though they didn't have the ubiquitous 4-year degree most West Geauga students had.
Hell, a garbageman out of high school for 4-5 years makes more than say someone starting off in the communications industry out of college, for instance. It's market-driven. A plumber does well, as does a psychologist. Someone who went to college to be a poli-sci major won't be employable right off the bat unless he/she goes to intern in Washington.
I found out you have to start out at the bottom once you leave college...its the "top-dog" phenomenon--you're used to being a senior in college with the privileges and all, but then you go into the working world and you're a nobody again. So you gotta pull yourself up from your bootstraps and keep going.
A lot of it is choosing the right path for you. What I hope this article proves down the road is that Millenials are resilient.
Good link Ammo.
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so true...
when I left high school I set out to own a house by 25 and be married by 30 and make 100k by 35.
please know that I'm not out to brag by any means..
I got my first house by myself at 26 I'm in a serious relationship. and i'm more than on track for the money part. Plus I did it with my son who is now 8.
I have worked hard played hard and taken my beatings and enjoyed my winnings. my generation is very creative and yes some are lazy however I see a generation that will reshape this country. Many of my friends and piers are very ambitious and want to change things for themselves and don't believe that you have to work one job for the rest of your life. They all want something better.
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that's a notable accomplishment, superbowldogg, considering the media keeps beating us over the head with how bad it is for us and how the world sucks blah blah blah...the economy isn't great, but like you said, there's opportunities out there.
your post was positive and gave me hope for our generation.
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Many of my friends and piers are very ambitious and want to change things for themselves and don't believe that you have to work one job for the rest of your life. They all want something better.
I'm 40, and I have friends who kept wanting something better, something more, and they worked to achieve it. Too bad it was all material possessions to demonstrate their status, and they had nothing set aside for tough times.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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thanks you,
I've always believe that if you truly want something enough you will find a way to make it happen. It doesn't matter what it is, you will cram, sacrafice, scratch, fight, and do whatever you need to do to get to where you want to be.
I personally believe the economy is not that bad, you just have to work a little harder to find what you are looking for or put in the extra effort. (read Charles Schwab story and how he got started)
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that is a great reminder to people who forget to pay themselves first  material posession are great however there has to be a balance of poessions, family, friends and health.
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i'm in the writing field and i'm finding out there are opportunities that i never knew existed...it gave me a more positive attitude on my current job...i have the ability to work more than one job...and it was right under my nose and I didn't take full advantage of it. now, i can do freelancing and work my regular writing job...and get my name out there. my ultimate goal is to get my novel published. even if i fail, i won't regret it one bit 
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keep up the great work! that is good if you look under enough rocks you will find what you are looking for
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The world is whatever you want to make it... and yes you can't change the world but you can make your world whatever you want it to be.
There is a saying that I heard, which is true... that "you will be somewhere ten years from now. The question is, will you be where you planned to be or will you be wherever life takes you?"
If you aren't planning out the path you want your life to take, then don't be surprised when you end up somewhere other than where you thought you would.. 
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 I like that... my english teacher told me once... show me your friends, I will show you.. you our lives our filled with choices, choose wisely
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i'm in the writing field and i'm finding out there are opportunities that i never knew existed...it gave me a more positive attitude on my current job...i have the ability to work more than one job...and it was right under my nose and I didn't take full advantage of it.
now, i can do freelancing and work my regular writing job...and get my name out there. my ultimate goal is to get my novel published. even if i fail, i won't regret it one bit
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It's a neat saying - but that's about it.
I have friends that are uber rich - I'm not.
I have friends that eke out every week - I don't.
I suppose, as with everything, there are exceptions.
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that is a great reminder to people who forget to pay themselves first
material posession are great however there has to be a balance of poessions, family, friends and health.
Agreed. I have a plan that I'm willing to stick to, even if it means I won't be living in a downtown apartment. It'll be better in the long run.
I've hit upon something a couple weeks ago that's really helped me out at work: I channel my "game face." The same "game face" that I got playing football. Keeps me intensely focused on my work. (of course, it's not like football in the sense that I don't wanna snap at people)
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It's an undying need to prove someone wrong, even if it's a trivial reason.
That makes you an ass. Having an undying need to succeed is one thing.. having an undying need to prove other people wrong about trivial things will not serve you well in the working world over the long haul.
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I would tend to believe that the teacher SBD was referring to was talking about character rather than affluence. 
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I'm pretty sure the teacher was saying that if you look in the mirror you will see a black musician from Poland. 
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I'm pretty sure the teacher was saying that if you look in the mirror you will see a black musician from Poland.
In that case, I'd break out my "country folk" gun and shoot the mirror. Then I'd pray.
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It's an undying need to prove someone wrong, even if it's a trivial reason.
That makes you an ass. Having an undying need to succeed is one thing.. having an undying need to prove other people wrong about trivial things will not serve you well in the working world over the long haul.
I wasn't clear enough about it. Some people are a reason for my motivation. Doesn't make me an ass.
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actually it's a two-parter, ammo:
1) Demand Studios. Anyone can go on there and get $15 to $20 an article. You just have to prove you're in the communications field. There are "sports" related-topics. Some eHow-related, for instance (how to paint flowerpots)...mine would be burnt orange and seal brown. Associated Content is the right idea, though.
2) the Universe Bulletin I'm looking into as well...it's a Catholic biweekly newspaper produced by the Diocese of Cleveland, circulation 800,000. (Basically, the region's biggest newspaper--even bigger than the PD, which has a 370,000 circulation).
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Yes and no.
You are correct in that proving people wrong over petty things may be a waste of time. But it's also an "internal fire" he may have, so to speak. Some successful businessmen and women have done well using that mode.
For instance, to use a coaching analogy:
I read a book by Phil Simms about how to watch football. Parcells was an Ass with a capital A. Every time Simms would do something well, Parcells would still find something to criticize. So Simms decided to work even harder....
Some people respond to "you can't get the job done," it pisses them off, and they get the job done.
Whereas others need a "good job, you're doing great!" and they get the job done that way.
Different learning styles.
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Yes and no.
You are correct in that proving people wrong over petty things may be a waste of time. But it's also an "internal fire" he may have, so to speak. Some successful businessmen and women have done well using that mode.
For instance, to use a coaching analogy:
I read a book by Phil Simms about how to watch football. Parcells was an Ass with a capital A. Every time Simms would do something well, Parcells would still find something to criticize. So Simms decided to work even harder....
Some people respond to "you can't get the job done," it pisses them off, and they get the job done.
Whereas others need a "good job, you're doing great!" and they get the job done that way.
Different learning styles.
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Learning style shmerning style.. so Ammo is a coach now? He's the teacher?
Don't think DC said it was a waste of time. I think he's of my opinion.. though I don't want to speak for him. I think it's rediculous. And can't stand working with people like Ammo suggested he is. He'd be out of a job in less than a year if he truely acted like that in a workplace. Being a good employee is about being part of a team. If you want to use football as an anology. Ammo would be the TO of his team. Not the Cribbs of his team.
It's ok to question others... but not to the point of just wanting to prove everything anyone says is wrong. What does that accomplish?
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To add something monumental to the discussion, when I was browsing this thread, I thought the above quote said "our lives are filled with cheese, choose wisely."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Only this group of people would come up w/ such an annoying nickname. Millennials . . . 
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Learning style shmerning style.. so Ammo is a coach now? He's the teacher?
Don't think DC said it was a waste of time. I think he's of my opinion.. though I don't want to speak for him. I think it's rediculous. And can't stand working with people like Ammo suggested he is. He'd be out of a job in less than a year if he truely acted like that in a workplace. Being a good employee is about being part of a team. If you want to use football as an anology. Ammo would be the TO of his team. Not the Cribbs of his team.
It's ok to question others... but not to the point of just wanting to prove everything anyone says is wrong. What does that accomplish?
Oh Jesus M. Christ...
Where did I ever, EVER say I'm not a team player or I'm a "T.O.?" Actually, I fit in very well at my office and I think on a similar wavelength with my boss. But you can go ahead and think I'm the "T.O. of my marketing firm."
Face it, people find ways to be more productive. Just so happens that putting on my "game face" makes me more productive and focused. Seeking ways to motivate me makes me a better employee.
Is that such a crime?
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Oh Jesus M. Christ...
Where did I ever, EVER say I'm not a team player or I'm a "T.O.?" Actually, I fit in very well at my office and I think on a similar wavelength with my boss. But you can go ahead and think I'm the "T.O. of my marketing firm."
Face it, people find ways to be more productive. Just so happens that putting on my "game face" makes me more productive and focused. Seeking ways to motivate me makes me a better employee.
Is that such a crime?
Don't get mad at me .. you said it. [gameface]And in the spirit of my undying need to prove you wrong.. isn't it Jesus H. Christ?[/gameface]
To get back on topic... I hope the author and those that attended the conference are right. But, our generation is as lazy and complacent as the rest... we've had it fairly easy. If tested, and things get dark... we'll either see the stars or we won't.
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Didn't Michael Jordan use something like that to fuel his fire?
Just sayin'.
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you said your gameface was " an undying need to prove someone wrong, even if it's a trivial reason. "
I think he meant through his work, not saying someone is actually wrong.
you had a good run Hank.
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Where did I ever, EVER say I'm not a team player or I'm a "T.O.?"
Just as a point of clarification.. even TO thinks he's a team player and doesn't realize that he is "TO"..
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Actually, I fit in very well at my office and I think on a similar wavelength with my boss. But you can go ahead and think I'm the "T.O. of my marketing firm."
Perhaps we have a misunderstanding then.. because the way you phrased it the first time, I took it to mean that you are arrogant and that you correct people all the time, even over trivial things and that proving you are right is more important than resolving an issue.. those traits would not make you well liked in most office settings.. if what I inferred is not what you meant, then I apologize for my comments.
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Is that such a crime?
No, that is not a crime.. back to my original perception of what you said.. If you are just making yourself more productive, then great, go for it. I took it to mean you were making yourself more productive at the expense of other people...
On a side note, I just have this mental image of you at your desk looking through a file with this Mike Singletary look on your face.. it's really an amusing image.
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Oh Jesus M. Christ...
Where did I ever, EVER say I'm not a team player or I'm a "T.O.?" Actually, I fit in very well at my office and I think on a similar wavelength with my boss. But you can go ahead and think I'm the "T.O. of my marketing firm."
Face it, people find ways to be more productive. Just so happens that putting on my "game face" makes me more productive and focused. Seeking ways to motivate me makes me a better employee.
Is that such a crime?
Don't get mad at me .. you said it. [gameface]And in the spirit of my undying need to prove you wrong.. isn't it Jesus H. Christ?[/gameface]
To get back on topic... I hope the author and those that attended the conference are right. But, our generation is as lazy and complacent as the rest... we've had it fairly easy. If tested, and things get dark... we'll either see the stars or we won't.
good points bartholomew, but Americans have been called on this before. I don't know if/how our generation would survive a Pearl Harbor, say, planting victory gardens, rationing, the draft, etc.
In '79 or '80 the Carter administration wanted to bring back the draft but it was shut down at the Congressional level. Interesting, because the military was in dire straits at that point. Reagan came in and turned things around...but that's another tale for another time...
I'm an auto geek, so I'll leave you with this:
Lee Iaccoca said in '88 or so: "Americans are fat and happy. But when it gets tough, they'll survive."
I don't have the direct quote *exactly* right  , but it was in the 1992 book "The American Automobile: A Centenary" by Nick Georgano and Nicky Wright. Should have kept it.
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To add something monumental to the discussion, when I was browsing this thread, I thought the above quote said "our lives are filled with cheese, choose wisely."
You should be fine if you don't choose government cheese..
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you are correct
we must have a stable foundation of character before we can move forward.
sound mind & sound beliefs = sound choices
if we are surrounded with negative, thoughtless, or socially unhelathy actions we shall eventually succomb to such.
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show me your friends, I will show you.. you
our lives our filled with choices, choose wisely
awesome quote...it rings very true in my life... Despite my good parents I got the boot out of my house when i was 17... I had nothing but milk crates for furntiure for 8 months.... ALL of it had to do with my choices and friends....As I realized the choices I was making were awful and the friends started dis-appearing due to Jail, death, and plain old left me.... I decided it was time to get my act together...
At 20 I was doing some free lance IT work and a very kind doctor took a flyer on me
by 24 I owned my own house and was on my way to a good career..... fast forward 4 years and I have a very high ranking job at the premier hospital this side of the mississippi, a beautiful future wife, a house, and hope for a Family of my own....
I am of the opinion every child is a blank sheet full of potential, its the Author and Co- Authors that deicde how the story ends...
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good post rabiddawg07.
life is what you make it. i have been working the last few weeks trying to find freelance opportunities; one came up and i took it.
nobody's going to hand out jobs, obviously, and while the economy sucks, if you work hard enough and make enough connections you can find *something*, even if it's not another full-time job, but a freelance/part-time job. every bit helps.
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