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Link Cleveland Browns tender six restricted free agents, but not Brodney Pool By Tony Grossi March 04, 2010, 7:48PM Safety Brodney Pool was not tendered by the Browns and becomes an unrestricted free agent.The Browns gave the second-round tender to six of their restricted free agents this evening, but safety Brodney Pool wasn't one of them. The players are safety Abram Elam, running back Jerome Harrison, linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, linebacker Matt Roth, linebacker Jason Trusnik and fullback Lawrence Vickers. The tenders assure the players of one-year salaries of $1.759 for 2010. If any teams sign them to an offer sheet, the Browns have seven days to match the contract offer or will receive a second-round pick in return. The Browns did not give tenders to Pool and tight end Greg Estandia. Those players become unrestricted free agents at 12:01 Friday morning.
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Evidently we have a plan for a O-lineman and Safety
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I like Pool and I don't think he's a bad player. But I have to think the concussion issue weighed heavily in this decision.
How many of our former 1st through 3rd round draft picks do we now have on this team?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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with Pool's concussion history, not very surprising......
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Trusnik an Dqwell getting same tenders...way to poff your best ILB
Elam getting tendered and Pool not.....
I'm really getting nervous with the start of this regime and their decisions so far....did they bother watching film at all?....I mean Holmgren at least admitted he hasn't done it yet just weeks ago...and boy does it reflect
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Or it could be just as simple as they know more than any of us and have a plan.. those that don't fit are not tendered...
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Alright, everyone settle down with the 'sky is falling down' mentality.
1. Pool is coming off a potential career ending injury, I'm not surprised he wasn't tendered and he may come back if he can play.
2. DQ is coming off injury and has no doubt caused headaches for the new regime; but the point is he's kind of a risk. Holmgren is asking himself "Hey, is this guy durable? Does he want to play for Cleveland?"
I'm fine with both moves, theres nothing wrong here. Sure, disappointed with the Fraley release but all good things must come to an end.
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This is not directed at you Daman, just a general relpy after reading the boards this evening. I really don't understand why it seems so many posters are freakin out about us only giving second round tenders to these guys. We are letting the market dictate the value, if we agree with the market value we match and keep those that we choose to, if we deem the price to high, we let that player go and gain a second round draft pick. Not a bad deal all things considered, it assures we do not overpay for a guy and if someone else chooses to, well, we gain a pretty darn good consolation prize. Just by giving a second round tender to guys, DOES NOT mean we are going to lose them. 
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...and that's why I get nervous...if they think Elam "fits better" than Pool or Trusnik is as valuable as Dqwell then I'm not feeling very good about that initial plan Don't get me wrong...I trust Heckert a lot on prospect evaluation...don't know about NFL player evaluations though...it's his 1st gig as the head man and he may get prospect happy a la Savage...that's a concern...and then I'm still not sure how good a fit Holmgren is as president....yet again we seem to be the training ground for advertised guys doing stuff for the very 1st time....that "frame" hasn't changed much If they get 1 of Boldin or Dansby to Cleveland or a QB like Hasselbeck/McNabb AND get rid of Quinn for anything.....then I will start building a shrine for them 
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We are letting the market dictate the value, if we agree with the market value we match and keep those that we choose to, if we deem the price to high, we let that player go and gain a second round draft pick. Not a bad deal all things considered, it assures we do not overpay for a guy and if someone else chooses to, well, we gain a pretty darn good consolation prize.
Just by giving a second round tender to guys, DOES NOT mean we are going to lose them.
Well, good luck finding even an arguably "average" ILB like DQ at pick 50-64 because that's what we would get in return, I'm happy for you to be excited about the next David Veikune, I'm not...we don' have many competent players...and poff the few you have is not cool in my book. DQ was a model player and citizen, he said he wanted to stay in CLE...and now after 4 years not only do you not negotiate a long term deal you give him a lousy 1mil tender like the bum you picked off the street who even happens to be the HCs buddy-player? If I were DQ I would be fuming and asking to be traded...and I fully expect him to do so...and worst part is...I could totally understand it
there are 8 teams who can't sign players at will and if I was a PO team running the 4-3 and needing an ILB or WLB upgrade (like Indy maybe), I would be ALL OVER DQ for a lousy late 2nd rounder
and don't even start the "part of the plan/future" crap....if DQ isn't, at least mid-term, wtf on this team is?
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we are gonna have some upset players on this team... i can see it now..
I wouldn't be surprised if Shaun Rogers is gone.. His name was brought up a few weeks ago, but has died down...
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We are letting the market dictate the value, if we agree with the market value we match and keep those that we choose to, if we deem the price to high, we let that player go and gain a second round draft pick.
Wow, a whole 2nd round pick.... 
If someone is going to make a high contract offer to Harrison or Roth, wouldn't you rather have a 1st? The low tender may beg a high offer thinking we don't value the player, no? After Harrisons 286 yard day do you think any eyebrows were raised around the league? A 2nd round tender? C'mon man.
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I think you're reading FAR too much into DQ & Trusnik getting tendered at the same level. It's a tender, that's it. It guarantees us compensation. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if DQ was techinically tendered LOWER simply because there is no reason to use the actual 2nd Round tender being that he was chosen in the 2nd.... we could have simply used the lowest tender and be guaranteed a 2nd. As for Trusnik... in case you weren't paying attention the last half of the season, the kid can play. He is not and never will be an All Star, but neither will DQ  Pool.... not worth a tender, not with his concussion history. Elam boggles my mind, except that once we make the decision to not tender Pool, we're semi-forced into making sure we try to retain *somebody*. Expect Safety to be a big time target in both FA and the Draft.... ditto ILB.
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Antrel Rolle (though he'll end up a Bear I'd guess)
OJ Atogwe
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I think you're reading FAR too much into DQ & Trusnik getting tendered at the same level. It's a tender, that's it.
No, that's not "it"...it means a ST bum like Trusnik will make as much money as DQ who will be asked to throw his body around for the Browns every play, ending up in the top 10 in tackles again....if you think that won't poff DQ, then you have no clue sorry
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As for Trusnik... in case you weren't paying attention the last half of the season, the kid can play. He is not and never will be an All Star, but neither will DQ
He's a bum if he has to start anywhere for any team in this league, period...he's a high effort ST and marginal backup (I don't call backups "Good" backups if they don't offer at least average starting potential if asked to stat and Trusnik doesn't offer that), players like Trusnik are dime a dozen around the league, after all he was a "throw in" in a trade....I also have to highly question what games you watched last season 
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Decent player that Pool. But he may have even more concussion damage than he admits to. Hope he is alright; hope he makes a solid hard choice if needed. Thanks for the heart. 
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And I understand that completely,, But honestly,, I'm trusting that they have a plan and that those they aren't tendering don't fit that plan....
In the case of Elam "fitting better" than Pool, I'm guessing that it has more to do with Pools health than anything.. Given the uncertainty at Safety, they almost have to hang on to Elam so that makes sense to me..
As for Trusnik,, that kid showed up for us. he did a great job. he's young, he appears to be coachable and seems to work damn hard.. What coach wouldn't want a kid like him on the team.. they are keeping DQ so I'm not sure how you can think it's either / or.
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Don't get me wrong...I trust Heckert a lot on prospect evaluation...don't know about NFL player evaluations though...it's his 1st gig as the head man and he may get prospect happy a la Savage
I'll have to bow to you on whether or not he's been involved with NFL Player Evaluation. I thought he had in Philly.. So it's news to me if he hadn't. he was the GM in Philly remember..
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He's a bum if he has to start anywhere for any team in this league, period...he's a high effort ST and marginal backup
LOL Why don't you tell us what you really think.. don't hold back..... 
Seriously, do you REALLY believe you know more than Holmgren, Heckert or Mangini? They seem to want the kid.. they seem to like the kid.. I'm sure that Ryan had a say in this as well..
Basically, your evaluation of trusnik doesn't jive with thiers.. And they are the Pros.. I'd say they know more than you and I... and they also know what thier plans are,,, you and I don't.
It's probably better just to let this play out and see where it takes us.. have a little faith man..,
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No, that's not "it"...it means a ST bum like Trusnik will make as much money as DQ who will be asked to throw his body around for the Browns every play, ending up in the top 10 in tackles again....if you think that won't poff DQ, then you have no clue sorry
No, it merely means that we'll get the same compensation should we lose either of them. It is a Tender, it merely keeps them here while we start to work out a longer term deal. Period. End of Story.
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He's a bum if he has to start anywhere for any team in this league, period...he's a high effort ST and marginal backup (I don't call backups "Good" backups if they don't offer at least average starting potential if asked to stat and Trusnik doesn't offer that), players like Trusnik are dime a dozen around the league, after all he was a "throw in" in a trade....I also have to highly question what games you watched last season
Yeah, well if YOU watched, you would have seen that he was one of our better LBers the 2nd half of the season. As sad as that is, it means the guy deserves to be talked about in the same sentence as the almighty DQ.
You're making WAY too much of a non-issue, but hey, if you want to keep making a mountain out of a molehill, however, go for it.
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As for Trusnik,, that kid showed up for us. he did a great job. he's young, he appears to be coachable and seems to work damn hard.. What coach wouldn't want a kid like him on the team.. they are keeping DQ so I'm not sure how you can think it's either / or.
Listen, if you think Trusnik is near the player DQ is, then I disrespectfully disagree...and I think 100% of all FO people around theleague would.
I'm all for overachievers making a career in the NFL from effort alone but it only gets you so far...in Trsunik's case: he's decent against the run, absolutely horrible in coverage and below average rushing the passer...overall that makes a pretty bad player, a marginal NFL talent that is in the league BECAUSE of his ST effort....Trusnik will NEVER become even an below average starter in his career, forget about that
DQ otoh is already an average ILB, he won't get much better but he is WAY MORE VALUABLE than a Trusnik...and right now he's making as much money for 2010 as Trusnik....those guys aren't robots. If it was a BEdwards (who got a 1st+3rd round tender btw, strange nobody is starting any threads on this, lol) and they did that to check his ego, that's one thing I could understand....but DQ was a model player on and off the field and that tender is a slap right in his face. Getting "valued" the same as Trusnik and street-FA Roth...my point is: it was a useless slap in the face to one of your better, young players...why would you do that for merely saving 1mil/year?
Yeah, the "plan" ....that's how we can silence down any criticism....the faith in those "plans" is unbelievable around here despite all those fails of those the last decade
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I know you are smart. I think you are over reacting. Its a tender!!!! It dosent meen thats what you think they are worth. You get to match any offer another team offers, (7 days to do it) Its just what they are guaranreed in money but only till they hammer out a new deal. It actually just puts a bottom on the contract....not the worth. I think your emotions are running a little. 
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Listen, if you think Trusnik is near the player DQ is, then I disrespectfully disagree
When did I say that? Are you thinking that because they tendered them the same that I think they are equal? Damn, that's really pushing it man.. I never said that.. Go argue with someone else,, and disrespectfully disagreeing is pretty insulting.. I didn't deserve that...
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"Seriously, do you REALLY believe you know more than Holmgren, Heckert or Mangini? "
And so it begins.The same old tired retort.
Let's replace those names with Clark,Davis and Savage.
As it turned out,there were many on here that DID know more those guys.
I have no idea whether these moves are the correct ones or not,it's a little early to make that call.But,I'm not getting all wet in the nether regions just because Holmgren/Heckert are making the calls.Niether one has buillt a SB champion.
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So many are getting bent out of shape. The Browns still hold all the cards with the guys they've tendered. Just because someone offers a contract doesn't mean we automatically lose the guy and only get a second. We have the right to match any offer.
I'll trust Mike Holmgen's and Tom Heckert's track records here. I'm pretty sure they know a LOT more than ANYONE on this board -even if some people don't want to admit it.
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and didn't you think corey williams was a good DE last year?
with my own eyes, i saw an average ILB in jackson go down, and a bunch of relatively unknown guys come in and step up production. we didn't start sacking anyone till DQ went down.
me thinks youre overrating DQ him a bit, and severely undervaluing trusnik. im not seeing what youre saying the he game film at all.
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I hope like hell I don't
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...and that's why I get nervous...if they think Elam "fits better" than Pool or Trusnik is as valuable as Dqwell then I'm not feeling very good about that initial plan
My initial thought...Pool is a huge HEALTH risk..thats why they're allowing him to walk,plus he's not instintive and consistant..I wouldn't keep him..but they can't let both safeties walk can they?
Course not.
No..and thats not saying Elam is good..actually he sucks too as well as all the DB's IMO...Wright doesn't suck but he certainly needs to improve his tackling..
Draft..get the best playmaking safety then try and get another one and next year Elam is backup or gone..
As far as Jackson goes..he's overrated in here..he may be the best ILB this team has but that doesn't make him a top ten LB...
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I agree. We don't know what to pay him, so just let him go and see what happens.
If he is still looking for a deal in a month, maybe bring him back at league minimum.
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I agree. We don't know what to pay him, so just let him go and see what happens.
If he is still looking for a deal in a month, maybe bring him back at league minimum.
That's my point...we could have done this by giving him his original round tender, since we have other guys at 2nd round tender, he would have cost a 3rd, which still would have been safe I think and would have cost barely above league avg, around 1mil
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That's my point...we could have done this by giving him his original round tender, since we have other guys at 2nd round tender, he would have cost a 3rd, which still would have been safe I think and would have cost barely above league avg, around 1mil
maybe they think that he's not gonna get any offers because of the health risks.. So if they make him an offer at any level, they are kinda stuck with him.. Could it be that they just don't want the risk at all?
I'm just speculating here of course.
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I think we have seen different things of DQ and Trusnik on film Django. I'm a big fan of Trusnik myself, he played very well last year and put in a lot of effort. DQ doesn't get the quarterback either, he doesn't even get into the backfield. He's definitely better than Andra Davis, but Jackson is nothing more than a good LB on this team.
With a dominant D-Line or may be with great play by the rest of the LBs, DQ could be freed up enough to get behind the LOS and use his great instincts to get to the ball carrier early. But we haven't had that. He's got great instincts and he tackles well. He's quick too. But attacking Jason Trusnik because he isn't that successful at getting to the QB is rediculous. For one thing, he gets into the backfield better than Jackson, and he's better at rushing the QB than Jackson........ He isn't as good in coverage and isn't as fast. Trusnik gets me frustrated in coverage, but otherwise, he is a hardworking guy who is still kind of young, trying to be the best player he can in this league. You might attack the guy because he works hard and had to earn his spot in this league (and on this team), but I respect it. There are plenty of great players who didn't come on that quickly and had to work to prove that they were big-time contributors.
I recently had to write a post defending Jackson, now I write one defending Trusnik. This is rediculous, I hope having the same tender isn't that big of a deal as I believe they will be starting alongside (and complimenting) one another this season.............
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I agree. We don't know what to pay him, so just let him go and see what happens.
If he is still looking for a deal in a month, maybe bring him back at league minimum.
That's my point...we could have done this by giving him his original round tender, since we have other guys at 2nd round tender, he would have cost a 3rd, which still would have been safe I think and would have cost barely above league avg, around 1mil
maybe we didn't want to pay just above anything.
Also.....maybe we just didn't want him back. Too much money and risk for too little production.
You are looking at it was a way to get picks. That assumes someone will offer the tender amount. Maybe the Browns felt nobody would.
In that case, we wouldn't get a pick, just like we won't now, and been stuck with a guy we really don't want.
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The original round tender would have still been a 2nd, but for less money.
The only reason I can think of for us to not have done that was to throw him a bone in that it is a little extra cash in his pocket if he just plays out the season on the tender. If we had done that, THAT would have been a slap in the face to him as all of those others tendered would have gotten the full value of the 2nd round tender.
I think that had we done that, it would have all but guaranteed that he'd either demand a trade or would just play out this year and move on next offseason.
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You are looking at it was a way to get picks. That assumes someone will offer the tender amount. Maybe the Browns felt nobody would.
No I was not  neither have I said I want Trusnik gone...Im ok with giving him the 2nd round tender to keep him....
Im NOT ok with giving DQ the same tender...and I stated the reasons...but nobody is discussing on that? DQ is way better than Trusnik could ever become and I sure hope we do not plan to start this guy...remember us getting shredded underneath on 5yd pitches? It was because guys like Trusnik and Bowens and our S sucked in coverage....
On Pool...no the original tender would require 3rd round compensation since we have multiple guys tendered at 2nd round tender...that's some odd rule...Jets tendered Clemens with original and it would require a 3rd to obtain him...anyway, nobody would touch Pool at any tender requiring a compensation, that was NOT my point though...we could have kept him around cheap at that tender and see how he does even as backup, that was all I was saying...do you guys all have reading comprehension problems? Seriously 
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we could have kept him around cheap at that tender and see how he does even as backup, that was all I was saying...do you guys all have reading comprehension problems? Seriously
In case you hadn't noticed,, we've all been responding to you in roughly the same way with roughly the same thoughts.. perhaps it's not our reading comprehension, but yours instead
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Errrr... maybe its an organizational thing that they gave EVERYONE second round tenders. Maybe to defeat exactly the same mentality thats being talked about here...to show players on this team that they are all valued and no one is more important than the other.
I don;t think any of our RFAs would be worth a first round tender. Why blow the money in advance when we have the option to match anyways. None of our RFAs are all-stars and I would bet that none of them gets shot an offer at that compensation level.
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You do realize that we can still match any offer for DQ right?
Just because we gave him the second round tender does not mean that we don't value him. Maybe they are telling letting him see what he is worth on the market? Maybe they thought that he and his agent were getting a bg head and were asking to much money.
I think we keep DQ to be honest. I think they are just letting him see were the market values him and then we let someone else do all the contract work and we just match it. Now if someone gets silly and offers him top 5 or 10 ILB money, then.....well.....I guess well see where the Browns rank him.
And yes, I do believe a 2nd round pick is a valueable pick, especially this yr. with with all the depth at S, CB, and LB in this yrs. draft.
One last thing, it has been mentioned by several other posters on here that they believe in Holmgrem and Heckart.......but don't think for a minute that they haven't also talked to Ryan. I DO trust his opinion on players and the type of player he is looking for on this defense.
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