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Terrorists 'plan attack on Britain with bombs INSIDE their bodies' to foil new airport scanners

By Christopher Leake, Mail On Sunday Home Affairs Editor
Last updated at 10:01 PM on 30th January 2010


Britain is facing a new Al Qaeda terror threat from suicide ‘body bombers’ with explosives surgically inserted inside them.

Until now, terrorists have attacked airlines, Underground trains and buses by secreting bombs in bags, shoes or underwear to avoid detection.

But an operation by MI5 has uncovered evidence that Al Qaeda is planning a new stage in its terror campaign by inserting ‘surgical bombs’ inside people for the first time.


Security services believe the move has been prompted by the recent introduction at airports of body scanners, which are designed to catch terrorists before they board flights.

It is understood MI5 became aware of the threat after observing increasingly vocal internet ‘chatter’ on Arab websites this year.

The warning comes in the wake of the failed attempt by London-educated Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to blow up an airliner approaching Detroit on Christmas Day.

One security source said: ‘If the terrorists are talking about this, we need to be ready and do all we can to counter the threat.’

A leading source added that male bombers would have the explosive secreted near their appendix or in their buttocks, while females would have the material placed inside their breasts in the same way as figure-enhancing implants.

Experts said the explosive PETN (Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate) would be placed in a plastic sachet inside the bomber’s body before the wound was stitched up like a normal operation incision and allowed to heal.


A shaped charge of 8oz of PETN can penetrate five inches of armour and would easily blow a large hole in an airliner.

Security sources said the explosives would be detonated by the bomber using a hypodermic syringe to inject TATP (Triacetone Triperoxide) through their skin into the explosives sachet.

PETN – the main ingredient of Semtex plastic explosive – was used by Richard Reid, the British Al Qaeda shoe-bomber, when he unsuccessfully tried to blow up American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami in December 2001.

In November, a Somali man who attempted to board a flight carrying a syringe, liquid and powdered chemicals was arrested before take-off.

The airliner had been due to fly from Somalia’s capital Mogadishu to Dubai.

The Somali was carrying a nearly identical package to that of Abdulmutallab, who tried to detonate it by injecting TATP from a syringe.

Abdulmutallab had stuffed explosives down his underpants as the Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam made its final descent to Detroit carrying 280 passengers.

But the detonator fluid set his clothes on fire rather than the device, and he was overpowered.

Security sources fear the body-bombers could pretend to be diabetics injecting themselves on airliners, Tubes or buses in order to prevent anyone stopping their suicide missions.

Companies such as Smiths Detection International UK, which is based in Watford, Hertfordshire, manufacture a range of luggage and body scanners designed to identify chemicals, explosives and drugs at airports and other passenger terminals around the world.

These include high-specification X-ray equipment that could identify body bombs.

But one source with expertise in the field said: ‘They can make as many pieces of security equipment as they like but there is no one magic answer that can spot every single potential terrorist passing through.’

Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, chairman of the Commons Counter-Terrorism Sub-Committee, said: ‘Our enemies are constantly evolving their techniques to try to defeat our methods of detection.

‘This is one of the most savage forms that extremists could use, and while we are redeveloping travel security we have got to take this new development into account.’

Senior Government security sources confirmed last night that they were aware of the new threat of body bombs, but were not prepared to make any official comment.

Is it racist for me to wish someone would start a WASP only airline?

Copying Israel's El Al Airline security methods would be a good start ... and yes, it would require profiling Muslim travelers.
The following column is from The Boston Globe's Jeff Jacoby:

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What Israeli security could teach us

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | August 23, 2006

THE SAFEST airline in the world, it is widely agreed, is El Al, Israel's national carrier. The safest airport is Ben Gurion International, in Tel Aviv. No El Al plane has been attacked by terrorists in more than three decades, and no flight leaving Ben Gurion has ever been hijacked. So when US aviation intensified its focus on security after 9/11, it seemed a good bet that the experience of travelers in American airports would increasingly come to resemble that of travelers flying out of Tel Aviv.

But in telling ways, the two experiences remain notably different. For example, passengers in the United States are required to take off their shoes for X-ray screening, while passengers at Ben Gurion are spared that indignity. On the other hand, major American airports generally offer the convenience of curbside check-in, while in Israel baggage and traveler stay together until the security check is completed. Screeners at American airports don't usually engage in conversation with passengers, unless you count their endlessly repeated instructions about emptying pockets and taking laptops out of briefcases. At Ben Gurion, security officials make a point of engaging in dialogue with almost everyone who's catching a plane.

Nearly five years after Sept. 11, 2001, US airport security remains obstinately focused on intercepting bad things -- guns, knives, explosives. It is a reactive policy, aimed at preventing the last terrorist plot from being repeated. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters as weapons, so sharp metal objects were barred from carry-on luggage. Would-be suicide terrorist Richard Reid tried to ignite a bomb in his shoe, so now everyone's footwear is screened for tampering. Earlier this month British authorities foiled a plan to blow up airliners with liquid explosives; as a result, toothpaste and cologne have become air-travel contraband.

Of course the Israelis check for bombs and weapons too, but always with the understanding that things don't hijack planes, terrorists do -- and that the best way to detect terrorists is to focus on intercepting not bad things, but bad people. To a much greater degree than in the United States, security at El Al and Ben Gurion depends on intelligence and intuition -- what Rafi Ron, the former director of security at Ben Gurion, calls the human factor.

Israeli airport security, much of it invisible to the untrained eye, begins before passengers even enter the terminal. Officials constantly monitor behavior, alert to clues that may hint at danger: bulky clothing, say, or a nervous manner. Profilers -- that's what they're called -- make a point of interviewing travelers, sometimes at length. They probe, as one profiling supervisor told CBS, for ``anything out of the ordinary, anything that does not fit." Their questions can seem odd or intrusive, especially if your only previous experience with an airport interrogation was being asked whether you packed your bags yourself.

Unlike in US airports, where passengers go through security after checking in for their flights and submitting their luggage, security at Ben Gurion comes first. Only when the profiler is satisfied that a passenger poses no risk is he or she allowed to proceed to the check-in counter. By that point, there is no need to make him remove his shoes, or to confiscate his bottle of water.

Gradually, airport security in the United States is inching its way toward screening people, rather than just their belongings. At a handful of airports, security officers are being trained to notice facial expressions, body language, and speech patterns, which can hint at a traveler's hostile intent or fear of being caught.

But because federal policy still bans ethnic or religious profiling, US passengers continue to be singled out for special scrutiny mostly on a random basis. Countless hours have been spent patting down elderly women in wheelchairs, toddlers with pacifiers, even former US vice presidents -- time that could have been used instead to concentrate on passengers with a greater likelihood of being terrorists.

No sensible person imagines that ethnic or religious profiling alone can stop every terrorist plot. But it is illogical and potentially suicidal not to take account of the fact that so far every suicide-terrorist plotting to take down an American plane has been a radical Muslim man. It is not racism or bigotry to argue that the prevention of Islamist terrorism necessitates a special focus on Muslim travelers, just as it is not racism or bigotry when police trying to prevent a Mafia killing pay closer attention to Italians.

Of course most Muslims are not violent jihadis, but all violent jihadis are Muslim. ``This nation," President Bush has said, ``is at war with Islamic fascists." How much longer will we tolerate an aviation security system that pretends, for reasons of political correctness, not to know that?


© Copyright 2006 Boston Globe Newspaper Company.

Wow.

That's a very good article that makes a ton of sense. The problem with it is that it argues that our government should use common sense in screening techniques. Using the words 'common sense' and government in the same sentence is oxymoronic.

I thought I heard this somewhere too, just too lazy to look it up right now - Remember 10-15 years ago when bus bombings were happening constantly in Israel? Haven't happened in quite some time hugh? I read somewhere that they started putting buckets of pig's parts and blood on all the buses. The terrorists are so afraid of coming into contact with the 'unclean' animal, it has halted the attacks. Muslims believe the mere contact with a swine will thwart them from entering heaven, therefore, no more bus bombings.

Here's an idea, lets put vials of pig's blood all over public places, and carry them around on our persons. They'll think twice about blowing themselves up around us. Sounds gross though. . .

I really killed this thread. Oh well.

It was a nice read Heat, just not real sure what to say. I know we need to get over the PC crap in this country and call a spade a spade.(yes that means profile these people)


*waits on the redneck comments from Mattack and Co.*

I like the idea of pigs blood on airplanes

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Here's an idea, lets put vials of pig's blood all over public places, and carry them around on our persons. They'll think twice about blowing themselves up around us. Sounds gross though. . .

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They also kill themselves if they see a naked woman,so I think all women should go around naked.Well maybe not all of them.I might have to kill myself if I saw some of them. or at least poke out my eyes.

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I know we need to get over the PC crap in this country and call a spade a spade.(yes that means profile these people)

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How exactly do you profile for a radicalized Muslim? The shoe bomber Richard Reid was of English and Jamaican heritage. The Detroit guy was Nigerian. The 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. I don't think it has anything to do with being PC. First off, it is illegal to profile. Second, even if it wasn't illegal, it isn't going to be that effective if a radical Muslim can be of virtually any ethnicity.

Personally, I think we ask the Israelis how to do security. When you have a problem, you ask the experts. When you have a pest control problem, you seek out an exterminator. When you have a plugged up drain, you get help from a professional plumber.

When you have a problem with radical muslims, you get help from Shin Bet, Mossad and El Al.

Nope, I'm with ya. If they're willing to go this far to achieve the goal of destroying american lives and society then we're gonna have to be willing to stop caving into the whiners and activists and be more aggressive than we have been so far. Personally I don't mind having to arrive at the airport an extra hour early for extra scanning if thats what it takes. Or maybe start putting trained soldiers on flights to help deter them. I know if that was an option at the time I would have loved to do that.

There's a few rather significant stumbling blocks that have to be overcome in order to get our security to the level of El Al:


1. We have Civil Liberties here that cannot be trampled upon. If we stomp those liberties, we have given the extremists part of what they want: To affect American lives and policy through their actions. Of course, we are preventing the other part of what they want, which is to kill Westerners.

2. Their security forces are military and VERY well trained; ours are near minimum wage employees with very little training.

3. The American public. Within three months of 9/11, the news was flush with people whining about "why do we still have to do all of this security crap... I have places to go and I don't want to have to get here so early!". Three months! If it is in any way perceived as an inconvenience, it will be shouted down.

4. Money. See #2 above.

5. Common Sense at the policy making level.

And even in that case, the individual still fell into a profilable niche.

JC..


We didn't have trouble profiling the Japanese in America during WWII.

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But to your other point, the obvious answer here is to profile all Muslims. It sucks for the large portion that are not radicals of course. But I don't see the point in inconveniencing everyone just to appear to be "fair" when, up to this point, the issues with airline (or transportation in general even) terrorism have been almost entirely created by Muslim extremists. The only notable non-muslim terrorism in the last 30 years for us was was the OK City bombing, which I'd hope they are on the lookout for that sort of thing too.

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To Tjs- FBI Terrorist list looking at this I don't think it would be as hard as you think to single these type of people out. I know this is a small list but almost all of them are from Middle East or Egypt area.

Even if we profiled based on the FBI list, we probably still would have missed Richard Reid (English citizen) and the Nigerian in Detroit. The terrorists organizations know that the most obvious people for us to look for are Middle Easterners after 9/11; I suspect they are recruiting now from many places to bypass this.

I think the best way to prevent these attacks is to have a highly trained security force which looks for things like bulky clothing, nervousness, body language, etc. and "interviews" passengers as the article says rather than picking out certain ethnicities. This limits your chances of missing someone because their ethnicity wasn't on the list.

But I don't know that this is feasible in the US; I suspect the scale of Israel's airport system is much, much smaller than the US system. Training such a security force will also cost boatloads of money.

Also, remember that desperate people will do anything. So while it may seem silly to look at an infant or a wheelchair ridden person, stories like this suggest that terrorists are willing to trick children into carrying bombs.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/15/eveningnews/main5386052.shtml

Future Security in US airports:

Everyone walks past a pig pen and has to pet a pig. No, bag checks, no shoe removal, no metal detectors.

I'm fairly convinced that if someone really wants to blow up a building or plane or nightclub... they'll eventually find a way that nobody was expecting..

Before 9/11, who really thought that terrorists could hijack 4 planes at once?

I can imagine it was thought that 1 plane could get hijacked, maybe even 2 but 4... at roughly the same moment? I don't think so...

I'm one of those guys that is truly annoyed at all the restrictions,, But I don't see any way around them.. I'm actually quite glad they are in place.

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I'm fairly convinced that if someone really wants to blow up a building or plane or nightclub... they'll eventually find a way that nobody was expecting..

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Absolutely.

You can only check for what you know to check for and what you can reasonably expect... and there will ALWAYS be somebody that comes up with some way around whatever you have in place. Security is a constantly evolving battle against those that wish to bypass it. Airport security is an analog to computer hackers. In both, there are bad guys trying to harm/destroy - and we're reliant upon a group of individuals committed to preventing it.

Yup,, and the only way to win in this situation is to find and wipe out those that would do innocent people harm...

Something that is unlikely to happen in my lifetime...

But even if it could be accomplished, there would just be another group spring up to take thier place.

Sometimes I wonder if killing them all and sorting it out later isn't the right answer...

Dude I was just about to post that same thought!

Every time I hear about something like this I myself wouldn't mind going all commando.

There eventually will be a group that rises up and devotes their life to wiping out their entire way of life. And let's these people know that they are out there and and this type of devious behavior will not go un-punished.

Only problem is how do you put the fear of god into a group of people that aren't afraid of death?

Actually, the impossible part is putting a fear of God into people that are doing it in the name of God.... they are zealots, you cannot change their mind.

Yeah I realize that but putting the fear of god into someone can be accomplished in many other ways, not just the fear of death it's self. Like someone stated earlier with the pig blood.

I wonder what would happen if they made all airline seats out of pigskin.

Or if the law of cruel and unusual punishment was thrown out the window when it comes to terroist activities. Drown these fools in pigs blood if they are caught. Sounds a little un-ethical but these people don't deserve to be treated like human beings.

I just think that until these terrorists have a consequences for their actions and legitimate fears these things will never stop.