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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A league source told the Plain Dealer that Browns quarterback Brady Quinn will visit a noted foot specialist Tuesday for a Lisfranc foot injury.
But team president Mike Holmgren said it's unlikely he'll require surgery.
"I met with our training staff today,'' said Holmgren. "I don't believe he's going to need surgery. He needs some time, clearly. As far as the specifics of the injury, we can talk a little about that tomorrow. Lisfranc, that's the first thought, yeah."
The league source told the Plain Dealer that Quinn will travel to Charlotte, N.C. to have the foot examined by specialist Dr. Robert Anderson. The source also said "the likelihood of surgery is remote.''
Quinn suffered the injury in Kansas City Dec. 20 and was placed on injured reserve Dec. 22. Players who do not require surgery for their Lisfranc injuries can expect a full recovery.
According to foothealth.com, "The Lisfranc Joint is the point at which the metatarsal bones (long bones that lead up to the toes) and the tarsal bones (bones in the arch) connect. The Lisfranc ligament is a tough band of tissue that joins two of these bones. This is important for maintaining proper alignment and strength of the joint.'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_browns_brady_quinn_w_1.html
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On Brady Quinn's foot injury: "I met with our training staff today. I don't believe he's going to need surgery. He needs some time, clearly. As far as the specifics of the injury, we can talk a little about that tomorrow. Lisfranc, that's the first thought, yeah."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_browns_president_mik.html
hopefully he makes a full recovery but rotoworld's commentary is that this could eat into his OTA time.
one thing is for sure, not that i had a problem with otherwise, but we'll know what our players are injuring.
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That's the first comment I've seen Holmgren make about either Quinn or Anderson since he's taken over.
Good to see Quinn won't need surgery. If he comes back we need him healthy.
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If foot surgery will keep him from hopping every time he passes the ball, I'm all for it!
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It bothers me that the last 2 seasons for Quinn ended in injury. I hope it's not something we'll be seeing alot of in the future.
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Do you mean you think he's weak?
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If foot surgery will keep him from hopping every time he passes the ball, I'm all for it!
I laughed my arse off when I read this..LOL
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It bothers me that the last 2 seasons for Quinn ended in injury. I hope it's not something we'll be seeing alot of in the future.
Calzone, I certainly hope not too! 
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When you wack your hand on a helmet or have a defender land on your foot then I don't think it can be called fragile. If he was pulling hamstrings or getting hurt in low contact situations then maybe. Both of his season ending injuries were a bit freakish in nature but it would be tough for anyone to have had those instances happen without getting injured.
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I agree,..but some people just always seem to have those kinda things (freakish or not) happening to them.
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Yeah, I've seen that too. 
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Actually, my son had the same injury. The guy is 22. He did it when he was 16. No surgery. But, maybe he should have had surgery. It required some sort of magnetic resonating machine to enhance healing etc. Not black magic mojo either. Serious science. But, anyhow, it's bothered him constantly since. Frequent pain. Over working the foot (like 4 qts of NFL football?) can be very painful for my son.
This is something to be very concerned about. Surgery or no surgery (as our podiatrist told us) this injury can be a chronic ailment for life.
If this is what he has done, he's damaged goods now.
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well, the optimist tells me that the injury still hasn't been confirmed. that said, that doesn't sound promising.
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I agree,..but some people just always seem to have those kinda things (freakish or not) happening to them.
I agree....like Z always having something wrong with his foot.
Some people are just a little frail compared to others.
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No,...just fragile.
I'm not exactly buying that his finger and his foot injuries make him fragile. He got hurt playing the game and when you play NFL football, you are messing around with danger. It wasn't like he was walking down the street and slipped on ice twice. I'm not saying he is or isn't fragile, it's too early to know. But, my money is on unlucky more than anything. (Perhaps even lucky -- if you're going to have an injury, get it at the end of a yucky season, no?)
Courtney Brown....injury prone. 
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When you wack your hand on a helmet or have a defender land on your foot then I don't think it can be called fragile.
Players have been smacked with the "injury prone" stigma for a lot less!
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I agree....like Z always having something wrong with his foot.
I disagree with this cause Z hasn't had any foot problems in over 10 years. Sure he had some serious problems for about 3 years, but after the surgeries he has been good to go.
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Less worried about his foot. Much more worried about his arm.
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j/c
We need bigfOOt to chime in on this.
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At one time that was considered a Career ending injury for RBs and sometimes WRs.
Don't think it should hamper BQ that much...The good news is that he did it in an awkward position and not from just running on it where it can be expected to return as an injury.
JMHO...Prayers out for a healthy and quick recovery.
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Less worried about his foot. Much more worried about his arm.
Bingo. What's he going to do to fix that in the offseason? Can he get surgery on his arm that will make him more accurate downfield?
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Lisfranc... that was one of Courtney Brown's bigger injuries. He came back from it Ok (until he got hurt the next time).
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Well, Ballpeen, it often boils down to pain thresho;d. Some gots, some not so much. Hope it helps his throwing too.  
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maybe Django will kiss the boo-boo and make it better 
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i wish i could see his x-ray, MRI or CT. If all else fails, and i am still uncertain of instability with the lis franc- i'll take it to the OR and put it under the c-arm and stress the joint. If it moves, it needs to be fixed.
All in all, if he has a lis franc injury, its a bad injury. It will affect him to some degree for the rest of his life.
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i wish i could see his x-ray, MRI or CT. If all else fails, and i am still uncertain of instability with the lis franc- i'll take it to the OR and put it under the c-arm and stress the joint. If it moves, it needs to be fixed.
All in all, if he has a lis franc injury, its a bad injury. It will affect him to some degree for the rest of his life.
There we have it folks.
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I don't know. There is just something about a thread labeled "Brady Quinns Foot" That makes laugh. I don't know. Maybe I've been alive too long, but like all the Browns fans enthusiasm hinging on some dude's foot. Who cares. His foot will get well.
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I don't know. There is just something about a thread labeled "Brady Quinns Foot" That makes laugh. I don't know. Maybe I've been alive too long, but like all the Browns fans enthusiasm hinging on some dude's foot. Who cares. His foot will get well.
but now he is in the same class with Harrison and is injury prone. 
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omg Brady Quinn's foot and Jerrome Harrison's pinky can have a dueling contest for most media coverage. 
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you've been pretty spunky lately...I like it.
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Ha. Normally I only get spunky on game days, and now that we have no game days I feel lost.  Don't know what to do with myself. So this is leftover energy.
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Ha. Normally I only get spunky on game days, and now that we have no game days I feel lost. Don't know what to do with myself. So this is leftover energy.
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j/c, Eve...
Lisfranc ain't nothing to take lightly, yo.
It can develop into a debilitating chronic situation in no time.
Imagine this: you experience intense, shooting, "eyes-roll-back-into-your-head"- type pain every time you roll out to your right and plant your foot to throw. Sometimes, it's a 4-6-yard dump-off. Sometimes, you've gotta plant and heave it to the heavens ...and it hurts- crazyass HURTS ...every single time.
How long will it take for a player- ANY player- to have his game effected... when he knows that at least 30% of his job is going lead to intense physical torture ? How long will it take, before that pain starts translating into wins and losses for the team?
Lisfranc injuries have ruined professional careers.
Yeah, it sounds kinda fruity (because it's French), and it involves small bones and small connections, but its impact on a player and a team is (potentially) enormous.
Everything a pro football player does is built upon his use of healthy feet. Lose that, and you lose the foundation for everything you can do.
This ain't no laughing matter for Brady Quinn, I guarantee you.
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so........... if BQ's career is essentially finished, then what? If that is the case it is more likely a QB is drafted or acquired in a trade. Keep DA? Wipe the slate clean and start over at QB?
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I thought QB was already a top priority. With this, even more so.
It wouldn't shock me if we go Claussen or Bradford with our first pick.
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It sounds like no surgery is required- this is more then likely a midfoot sprain and not a ligament disruption. It will heal. Will be interesting to see if he is in the OTA's in 3 months or so- if he is not participating i would read into that a more serious injury and the ligament being at least partially disrupted. But, this may be good news for Quinn and the browns.
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if Quinn needs to miss OTAs because of this then Holmren might not be able to conduct a thorough evaluation of Quinn's skills.  Maybe I'm placing too much faith in Holmgren's analysis, but we gotta know if BQ can be successful. and as Peen stated, the QB position is looking like it could be a major CF.
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Line Judge...for those also who think Holmgren isn't going to involve himself with the OFFENSE nor the QB situation first hand...he is making those evaluations on BQ as we type.
BEREA — For the last couple weeks, Mike Holmgren has been studying Brady Quinn on DVDs prepared by Eric Mangini. He says he hasn’t reached any conclusion about what kind of quarterback Quinn is or can be.
"I have not studied him enough to make a good judgment on that," Holmgren said Tuesday during a press conference to introduce General Manager Tom Heckert. "I know quarterbacks pretty well and I want to meet him in person and talk to him. I haven’t done that since the combine (2007), when he was coming out.
"I will say this, for a team to do well, the quarterback has to play well. How they won games at the end - it wasn’t the quarterbacks. The ratio of runs to passes in the last four weeks of the season were remarkable. Normally you can’t win that way. You can have the greatest running game in the world and play good defense, but if you only throw six balls a game you’re not going to win. We’ve got to look at that.
"I want whoever is playing quarterback for the Cleveland Browns to be the right guy, and I want him to succeed because when he succeeds the team will do well. I’m going to reserve judgment on (Quinn)."
Quinn was the quarterback for the first two games in the four-game winning streak at the end of the season. He completed nine of 16 passes for 90 yards and no touchdowns when the Browns beat the Steelers, 13-6. He was 10 of 18 for 66 yards and two interceptions in the 41-34 victory over the Chiefs. They rushed for 171 yards against the Steelers and 351 yards against the Chiefs.
Quinn suffered a Lisfranc fracture to his left foot in the Kansas City game. He was examined Tuesday in Charlotte, N.C. by Dr. Robert Anderson, a foot specialist and will be seen by the Browns doctors next week. Holmgren said Anderson concluded Quinn will not need surgery.
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I know Holmgren is doing the right thing and saying the right things regarding Quinn, but that was nothing close to a ringing endorsement for him. In fact, it sounded more like a statement that could have read:
"I'm not liking what I've seen from afar, but I'll reserve judgment until I've seen all the tape."
1st round QB? Very much in play.
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So, do you know? What does Clausen have that Quinn doesn't? Take a shot and don't care if they come after you. I haven't seen Clausen play. No reason to. I've heard criticisms on this board that sounds like... BQ
Does he have an NFL arm? Accuracy? Quck release?
How about Bradford? There seems to be questions on his arm and ability to drop back from under center.
I know this isn't the draft board, but until one exists...
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I've watched Clausen play as much as I'd seen Quinn play. It's been my opinion for a year that Clausen is a far better prospect as a Junior than Quinn ever was as a Senior. Clausen has more guts than Quinn did (doesn't get as rattled in the pocket) and has a more accurate arm. The big negative is that he's a first-class A-hole, probably the biggest ass to come out in more than a decade at the position.
As for Bradford, shoulder is a question, though James Andrews has given him a thumbs-up on his progress. He's spent most of his career in the gun running the spread, and his arm is just average. He's going to take longer transitioning to the position, but his accuracy is elite. He's also known as a true "good egg" and he's going to be one of the easiest players to coach in years, the antithesis of Clausen in that regard.
Neither guy is perfect. Both are far better prospects than Quinn was. The Browns were sold a bill of goods on Quinn. We fell for it. Those two aforementioned QB's, despite their negatives, are much safer bets.
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