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General reply here........

In regards to the Rooney Rule, my understanding is that it applies to general manager or front office evaluating positions. Would a czar qualify for this? Not so sure. When you call it a czar, which is more of a management position that sounds as if Holmgren will just be watching over everybody, then no. But when you say Vice President of Football Operations, then yes. My hope is that Holmgren will play a major role in talent evaluation, free agency, etc., and therefore the Rooney Rule would apply.

Here's my take on the last two days. First of all, I think an offer was made by Lerner. I also think that the Browns have not complied with the Rooney Rule yet, and therefore weren't going to make ANY sort of announcement until that is done.

Think about it. Lerner faces the possibility of shelling out upwards of $10 million per year for Holmgren, and also having to eat Mangini and most of the coaches contracts, while he's still spending money on Romeo, Savage, etc. Plus, PR for the team has been pretty bad this season. I highly doubt that he wants to take a hit on a substantial fine and some awful PR by simply bypassing the Rooney Rule. JMO, of course.

I think Holmgren has taken the offer back to his family, which obviously comes first to him. I don't buy all of the talk that he's hesitant to leave the west coast. I think Seattle WOULD be his first choice, but they're taking their time, and he backed himself into a corner by saying he wants everything done by Christmas. He also faces the possibility that this is the ONLY such all-powerful job that he can receive in the offseason, essentially with no checks and balances. The buck literally stops at his desk, he'll be making a ton of money doing so, and he moves to a tradition rich football city like Cleveland. He loved his time in Green Bay, and Cleveland is essentially the same when it comes to loving its football team. Also, I remember a few reports earlier in the season where Holmgren was quoted as saying that he would love to take an "east coast" football job. This obviously isn't east coast, but a quote like that generally means that he and his family are OK with relocating.

My prediction is that he accepts the offer within the next 3-5 days. I think he initially took the trip to gauge Seattle's interest, with the thinking being that they would be forced to jump all over him when they realized that he was in Cleveland and established the Christmas deadline. Well, they aren't, so that substantially increases our chances.

Another general reply...

I don't understand what all the worry is about him not signing a contract ON HIS FIRST VISIT to Cleveland. What was everyone expecting?

When I was going after the job I have now, I wanted it so bad. I came in, nailed the interview, and felt really good about the whole situation. But there's no way I would've accepted an offer right there on the spot. That's just not how it's done. You ask for time to consider the job/offer and you leave. Nothing earth-shattering about that.

Come to think of it, I would've been really surprised if they gave me an offer right there on the spot. That generally doesn't happen.

I would read more into him NOT interviewing for the Seattle job yet.

Let's look at this post by spoonfed

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There was no deal for Holmgren, just mumbling talking heads that don't know anything yet speculate at will.

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Cool, you know something we don't.... Do you have a link to that? There is at least a link to a story that says he was made an offer.....

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problem with Holmgren is he isn't a fit and Mangini knows it and doesn't want him.

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It's just a personal opinion, but I disagree with you on Holmgren.

So you are saying that Mangini has a say in things? I know he's said he'll have input... but beyond that, I've heard nothing confirming that.

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He has Randy over a barrel thanks to his improper analysis.

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So a HC with what appears to be a One and Done year going, has a billionaire owner over a barrel... I'd love to know how you arrive at that conclusion...

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I think Randy has got himself in a pickle. Granted, the Kokinis defection started it, but Randy reacted badly. In this case, not a dysfunction in the franchise's plans but a dysfunction in Koko himself, which Koko has outright admitted he couldn't handle the stress of the job.

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How's Randy in a pickle? Please explain that. It doesn't appear that Kokinis defected, it appears he was FIRED.. How did Randy react badly to firing Kokinis?

I may have missed it so if you would, enlighten me, but when did Kokinis "outright admit" anything? Last I heard, he hired an attorney.. That doesn't sound like an admission of anything.. In fact, I don't remember seeing any comments from Kokinis since he was FIRED.

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This is the same mistake Randy made with Phil/Collins in 2005. Collins was overstepped his bounds so Randy lost it and tried firing him.

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WOW,, trying to throw one by us by revising history..

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What Randy should have done was support Mangini and looked to replace Koko with a up and coming talent man looking for a promotion so he can pick the players that fit the coaches system. Remember, Koko was 3rd in Baltimore.

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There you go again, revising history. Randy gave Mangini the guy he wanted when he hired Kokinis.

I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from.. and I can't. very odd post....... There doesn't seem to be anything in it that is accurate or even close to it.

If you disagree with me, fine, feel free to PROVE you are right...

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In regards to the Rooney Rule, my understanding is that it applies to general manager or front office evaluating positions. Would a czar qualify for this? Not so sure.

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Already been asked and answered:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/638958/an/0/page/0#Post638958

This position, by any name or description falls under the Rooney Rule..

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I highly doubt that he wants to take a hit on a substantial fine and some awful PR by simply bypassing the Rooney Rule. JMO, of course.

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The 500,000 fine might mean something to him, but the PR can't get much worse than it is. In fact, I dare say that if Lerner paid the fine imposed for breaking the Rooney Rule, he'd be hailed as a hero and a guy that gets things done. I think his PR would Zoom upwards.... Just a guess however.

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I think he initially took the trip to gauge Seattle's interest, with the thinking being that they would be forced to jump all over him when they realized that he was in Cleveland and established the Christmas deadline.

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Pretty darn tense waiting isn't it? I feel it... If we don't hear of him interviewing with Seattle,, I'm guessing he's ours..

Not that he would do it, but if he wanted to, Paul Allen could easily outbid Lerner for Holmgrens services.. what's he worth now,, something over 10 Billion or so.... LOL if it comes down to money, Lerner doesn't stand a chance if Allen wants him....

but I didn't remember who we had in to interview for the HC job last year to satisfy that rule?

Didn't we interview RAC at seasons end before firing him

Does the Rooney rule count when a minority is in the position and it gets reviewed and then fired? Did not theoretically RAC met Randy and presented his case to continue as HC? Is that not in effect an interview?

lol yeah I think we did have an interview with Tucker??? but I still think something about the RAC thing???

Too many people in too few years to remember it all....Good Lord we have been such a dysfunctional franchise since our return!!!