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I did find it interesting that Marty doesn't say much about coaching...which could certainly leave that door open, but I don't think we go that road.
I've said it 1,000 times and I'll say it again, do whatever it takes to get Kevin Colbert. He's been a major part of the steelers success, he understands how an NFL front office needs to work, and he can evaluate talent. Plus, hes going to be able to bring in some quality people around him, and have alot more credibility in the coaching market.
There's no such thing as a lock when your hiring a new FO guru, or a HC, but Colbert has stud written all over him in my book.
It will probably take a ton of money to blow him out of Pitt, but most guys have a price. Plus, he would finally get to make his mark on an NFL franchise.
Just sayin...
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I personally think our chances of getting a "true qualified" PROVEN NFL GM just isn't going to happen...no way a proven GM would come to this wreck..it would be career suicide.
I have to call bull crap on that statement. Any GM worth having is going to believe he can turn the organization and the team around. We are talking about men with ego's here not wimpy little boys.
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The fanbase demands continuous change.
When this organization put a top product on the field in the 80s there was no demand for continuous change. The demand is a result of how bad things are. Believe me, if this team started winning, the only people complaing on this board would be those just trying to get attention.
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Flag on Marty for piling on. But I think he is right. I believe Lerner is part of the problem; I have faith that he is at least a larger part of the solution. I want Browns ball; the time of the Away Team left a crater in my life and what I care about. Just not sure if the solution of "more Lerner" is the fix, if he is perceived as the Root of All Browns Ills in Berea." But get respectable. This is an ugly road; I hope some sanity stabilizers arise within and without.  
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The fanbase demands continuous change.
When this organization put a top product on the field in the 80s there was no demand for continuous change. The demand is a result of how bad things are. Believe me, if this team started winning, the only people complaing on this board would be those just trying to get attention.
In the 80's there was one concern.
We had one apparent weakness --
A coach who couldn't finish.
Barry Bonds Check
Roger Clemens Check
Mark McGuire Check
Lance Armstrong Check
71-79 Steelers Taboo
(Lets pretend it didn't happen.)
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... " I believe Lerner is part of the problem ... " At the risk of sounding repetitious ( for years now ) , Lerner " is " The problem  ... Until such time as he can admit that , there will be no end in site !
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... " I believe Lerner is part of the problem ... "
At the risk of sounding repetitious ( for years now ) , Lerner " is " The problem ... Until such time as he can admit that , there will be no end in site !
Lerner has admitted he is the problem.
The bigger problem is that he doesn't know who to hire...and until he hires the right guy, who admittedly I don't know who the hell that is, there will be no end in sight.
you had a good run Hank.
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1. Strong football mind
2. Communicator with players & Fans
3. Excellent talent evaluator
Heck is Mel kiper our next head coach 
I thought you said excellent talent evaluator. If that's the case, Mel Kiper has no chance.
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I did find it interesting that Marty doesn't say much about coaching...which could certainly leave that door open, but I don't think we go that road.
I've said it 1,000 times and I'll say it again, do whatever it takes to get Kevin Colbert. He's been a major part of the steelers success, he understands how an NFL front office needs to work, and he can evaluate talent. Plus, hes going to be able to bring in some quality people around him, and have alot more credibility in the coaching market.
There's no such thing as a lock when your hiring a new FO guru, or a HC, but Colbert has stud written all over him in my book.
It will probably take a ton of money to blow him out of Pitt, but most guys have a price. Plus, he would finally get to make his mark on an NFL franchise.
Just sayin...
I agree Colbert is most certainly qualified, but I think -- as you mentioned most everyone has a price -- he is one of those guys who won't be able to be bought.
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I personally think our chances of getting a "true qualified" PROVEN NFL GM just isn't going to happen...no way a proven GM would come to this wreck..it would be career suicide.
I have to call bull crap on that statement. Any GM worth having is going to believe he can turn the organization and the team around. We are talking about men with ego's here not wimpy little boys.
I wish i had that dream man, but reality looks like this:
After I got over my emotions(a few hours) the common sense side of me and the business side of me tells me firing Romeo and Savage was a mistake at the time. Lerner should have stayed the course and said the heck with the fans(incudling me) and others, and atleast gave romeo one more eyar to honor the agreement he made with him on the 3 year extension.
Randy should have NEVER gave those two an extension when they still had time on their contracts. BUT After giving Romeo and Savage a 3 year extension after 2007, Randy should have had the "deceny" to honor atleast until the end of year two on that agreement. so after a 10 win season, you fire two guys less than a year into a 3 year extension.
that makes Randy look like a MORON!
Now Randy fires his GM after only 10 months on the job, in the middle of the season to boot.
its not about egos...Romeo did not get treated fairly here, and rumors are Bill Parcels was highly ticked off at how Romeo was treated here in this situation...and make no mistake im sure others in NFl circles feel the same way...Romeo been in this league a long time...a well respected man...
ANY GM that comes here is concerned about having "average" NFL job security....meaning that he will have a job a few months after being hired. Is Randy just going to wake up one day and decide to fire him because he is mad at one teeny little thing?
sure the NFL means "Not for Long" but there is a "normal acceptable" period of giving a GM a fair chance(atleast two to three years)
Randy has done so much damage to this to this franchise by firing guys he gave extensions too less than a year after giving it to them, and then turns around and fores his GM after 10 months in the middle of the season.
on the outside looking in, regardless of the ego..no way any sane person even thinks about taking this job.
Marty "WILL" be back in the NFL this year barring a disaster...he wanted the Jets job last year, but it WON"T be here....and Marty told you what the rest of the NFL thinks.
this team will have to go with a coordinator, and a first time GM...
we may have a 25% chance of getting Holmgren...maybe...although I doubt he comes here even though I want him badly....just for the fact that the owner here looks like a complete dolt on the same level as Al Davis...
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after we find ourselves down to our 4th string QB--we fire him for not getting us to the playoffs.
That was a dumb move.
I must agree patience is a valuable comodity. We have been very impatient and have been paying the price with bad decisions. I hope we just wait it out. SO we lose big deal we can say we were not jumping around getting an even worse coach. Mangini is not the answer but maybe he can change into a reasonable coach and get the players back.
Crennel had the players on his side and that was worth alot.
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Well if Schottenheimer views this team as a complete mess then you know that every single other credible person that could help fix our team wouldn't want any part in it. The risk outweighs the reward so we'll be stuck getting a GM with little or no experience at that position.
Matt Millen probably wouldn't even want to be GM for this team and he's probably the worst in recent NFL history. It's sickening that this team that I've rooted for since the early 80's has turned into a total and complete mess. This current Browns team does not even deserve the right to disgrace the rich history of the original Browns.
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I personally think our chances of getting a "true qualified" PROVEN NFL GM just isn't going to happen...no way a proven GM would come to this wreck..it would be career suicide.
I have to call bull crap on that statement. Any GM worth having is going to believe he can turn the organization and the team around. We are talking about men with ego's here not wimpy little boys.
Ok GM, I can see both sides of this somewhat. But lets say your a BIG name GM next year. And you are a very smart man. With a choice between say, the Chargers, Dolphins, or Browns for a job opportunity. Where you gonna go ? If it was me, Im takin a job with the Chargers. Cause it would give me the best chance to succeed.
Taking this job is a huge gamble. Even if you can do it, it will take years to make this team a consistent, reliable winner. And if you dont, well your just another exec who got chewed up and spewed out by the Browns.
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I didnt mind the firing of Romeo so much. I think he is an excellent coordinator, but to soft for HC. Both literally and figuratively Savage is different though. I thought I saw where Savage was going with this team. And I liked that vision. AFC north traditions be damned. He missed on a few picks, but so what. With a lil luck I think Savages tenure could have turned out a lot differently.
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Savage (if rumors true) and Mangini (and Butch) are cut from the same cloth....Their way or the high way and very little ability to take others opinions if they don't agree with theirs.
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So it's rumors with Savage but fact with Mangini.
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I'm going to scream.... We need to pay Holmgren or Wolf whatever they want and get out of the way. Uggghhh
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What's concerned me so far, is no one except Schottenheimer has stepped up and said if they were interested or not. No Rumors, No Nothing.
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What's concerned me so far, is no one except Schottenheimer has stepped up and said if they were interested or not. No Rumors, No Nothing.
That means that Holmgren hasn't turned us down yet, no news is good news in this respect.
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What's concerned me so far, is no one except Schottenheimer has stepped up and said if they were interested or not. No Rumors, No Nothing.
I thought Accorsi and Wolf both said no also.. Holmgren, not one peep so far. And I haven't heard anything about Rich McKay either.
Is Shanahan on the list of GM candidates? Haven't heard anything about that either.
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Lerner is waiting for Joe Triolio...
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Lerner is waiting for Joe Triolio...
And that would be who?
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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Lerner is waiting for Joe Triolio...
And that would be who?
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