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Ohio Issue 1, Bonds for Veterans will be on the November 3, 2009 ballot in Ohio as a legislatively-referred constitutional amendment. If adopted, it will add a Section 2r to Article VIII of the Ohio Constitution. Issue 1 would authorize the state of Ohio to borrow and spend $200 million to "provide compensation to Ohio veterans of the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq conflicts, and to pay for the administration of the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq Conflicts Compensation Bond Retirement Fund and the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq Conflicts Compensation Fund." Veterans who served in the Persian Gulf, Irag and Afghanistan would receive a $100 cash bonus for each month they served, not to exceed a total of $1,000 per veteran. Those who served in other locations will be eligible to receive up to $500. Ohio issue 1 information Please vote yes on Ohio issue 1. The majority of states in our country already have accepted this and or a form of this policy, but it is a small price to pay for those who have decided to support and defend the constitution of the USA, and these people have earned it. If you enjoy your freedom, this is a small price to pay to help those have have sacrificed to keep this country safe. Thanks to all who support this issue in our state.
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I was there and I don't see what the point of this is.
A cash-stapped state giving a cash handout that it can't afford to people that volunteered to get paid to serve??
It's a nice sentimental gesture, but this state needs to learn to actually spend what little money it has wisely.
I will be voting no to receiving my check.
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I just can't see "borrowing" money to pay vets. I appreciate what they do/did, but does a state need to pay them extra? They served the country.
Regardless, the state doesn't have the money (obviously - that's why they want to borrow it in the first place).
Maybe I'm missing something.....but if the money isn't there at this point in time, why spend even more?
I've heard we are in a "jobless recovery"....what the hell does that mean? We "recover" by putting more and more on the public dole? And in so doing we give bonus money to people as well?
Sounds harsh, and I'll probably take a beating on this, but I don't think it should happen.
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Its not harsh at all. It is a ridiculous proposal. If the state had lots of cash on hand and we were talking about drafted veterans, it would be a very different story.
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Will these idiots stoop to anything to get popular votes? Borrow money despite the financial mess we're in? I want to puke. However noble the cause, we can't frickin' afford it.
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I was there too, do I need the coin? Nope but really when your talking about those who have lost a limb or physically can't work anymore any little but helps, then what about those who lost their job because their reserve commitment cost them more then most. Your not talking about a bunch of money (200 million isn't squat to the state) plus if passed the state will not lose 200 million bucks, they will receive interest on the coin since it will be taxable and I am pretty sure will sit in the bank for some time to gain interest, but I am not shocked by the responses on this so far, and Ohio is behind the times and this is another sign of it. Kind of sad people if you ask me, and another reason this state has so many problems. Really who wants to live in a place that can't respect those who have made sacrifices for the country, but to other states this is a non-issue. *shrug* This state has no problem keeping lazy people who can work on welfare, but those who did something to benefit themselves and get hurt should have something, they have earned it more then that young 20 year old girl who spreads her legs, pops out 3 kids and crys they can't make it. We help them but can't help those who made the commitment, it a true sign of one of many problems this state has with it's priorities. Oh and just a guess but most of that money will go right back to the states economy, but that's a bad thing... 
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I am a vet, I did NOT serve in Afghanistan in a combat zone, but did spend a year there.
I have received the Ohio Vietnam Era vet $100 bonus, back in the 70's sometime ago,....it was a nice gesture. And I did NOT even serve in Vietnam.
I have never expected anyone to "additionally" recognize my service, but if this is how the State decides they want to do it, then I am not turning my back on my brothers.
Seems to me if this is dirty pool to buy voters, then it is a lot cleaner way to do it than through some organization like ACORN.
This is a pittance compared to the money that is wasted on slugs who want the title American but are unwilling to pay the price.
That's how I am looking at it. It gets my vote.
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Yet the state borrows money to keep lazy people housed, maybe force them people to get a job, then maybe the state wouldn't have as many issues as it does, those people don't stimulate the states economy, they abuse it, but we should be damned to give a few bucks to many people who NEED and earned it, the blasphemy of the whole issue.
Argue amongst yourselves about this, but I guess there is a price tag on freedom, a price tag Ohio don't want to pay. Not really shocking cause like I said this is a non-issue for most states, but of course backwoods Ohio can find a reason not to help those who earned it. I guess Vets should just abuse the system just like many others do across the state and, thats the real problem, not giving a few bucks to vet's who need help. How wrong that is, but hey I somewhat expect this reaction from people in this state.
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I was there too, do I need the coin? Nope but really when your talking about those who have lost a limb or physically can't work anymore any little but helps,
So is it $100 a month for those that lost a limb? If so, you didn't spell that out in your first post. Or is it just $100 per month served for anyone that served?
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then what about those who lost their job because their reserve commitment cost them more then most.
It's illegal I believe to fire anyone that serves in the reserves. Their job is "reserved" for them.
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Your not talking about a bunch of money (200 million isn't squat to the state) plus if passed the state will not lose 200 million bucks, they will receive interest on the coin since it will be taxable and I am pretty sure will sit in the bank for some time to gain interest,
How can this money sit in the bank? We don't have it, first of all. Secondly, it will be spent immediately, therefore, any "interest" the bonds earn will be offset by interest paid. And lastly, who's going to buy these bonds? No one would willingly "lend" money to Ohio counting on getting a return on their money.
But more importantly: why is this not a national issue? People serving where you stated were in fact serving the country, were they not? Why is it up to the state of Ohio to give an added benefit? Also, those that were injured in service......don't they get free health care related to their injuries? I believe so. If I'm wrong, let me know.
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but I am not shocked by the responses on this so far, and Ohio is behind the times and this is another sign of it. Kind of sad people if you ask me, and another reason this state has so many problems. Really who wants to live in a place that can't respect those who have made sacrifices for the country, but to other states this is a non-issue. *shrug*
This state has no problem keeping lazy people who can work on welfare, but those who did something to benefit themselves and get hurt should have something, they have earned it more then that young 20 year old girl who spreads her legs, pops out 3 kids and crys they can't make it. We help them but can't help those who made the commitment, it a true sign of one of many problems this state has with it's priorities.
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Now you're talking. We need to CUT spending. Not increase it. Not just ohio, but the country in general. CUT spending.
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Oh get off your high horse,issue 1 is a joke in economic times like this. If we were in a good place as far as our budget this would be fine but to just decide to give away an extra 200 mill right now is ridiculous.
You are right about the welfare and entitlement issues that our government has,but two wrongs do not make a right.
Its nothing against any and all that have seved our country but I vote no on issue 1. Its just not the right time for it.
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 You hit the nail right on the head my man. It's not making a Vet rich it is more or less a gesture, one I am willing to accept and try to help, but the sad thing is I can't believe this is an issue, it should be an easy choice if you love and enjoy your freedom. Folks who serve are not rich, actually they start off with a crappy job with crappy pay, and most people with under 4 years of service would be considered in poverty since they make crap for money, but I guess that's okay.
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This state is flat ass broke and we're borrowing to cover what's already on the coffers. Not spending money we don't have is in no way disrespectful.
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Hey Fletch, I know you are or were going to the same school as me ad taking the same classes I took. You had to take the critical thinking class right?
Remember the section on the different forms of rhetoric?
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Giving away money? That's were your wrong, these people earned it, and if you were so worried about the economy then your gonna tell me you didn't cash your stimulus check? I mean you got that and I am sure you cashed it. Issue 1 would pass if it was for everyone in the state but since it goes to a Vet, and you didn't serve you feel we can't afford it? Laughable...
High horse? Nope I want to help those who deserve it. You call it what you want, but the issue is not a joke, what's a joke is what I mentioned above.
High horse... LMAO. Yeah forgive me for wanting to help those who make sacrifices for both you and I, yeah I'm the one with the problem here... Please...
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Nope didn't take critical thinking, so I can't remember whatever you read in your class.
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I in no way intended for it to sound that it was disrespectful on anyone's part...it's just how I feel about service in general, let alone the billions more that is wasted on lesser causes, AND GOES ON STILL in these "lesser" times of economic hardship.
It will probably fail anyway.
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Ohio spends money all the time when they don't have it, now they have a valid reason too and people don't like. To make money you have to spend it. Ever wonder why Ohio gets dogged or laughed at by other states, it's reasons like this.
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Argue amongst yourselves about this, but I guess there is a price tag on freedom, a price tag Ohio don't want to pay. Not really shocking cause like I said this is a non-issue for most states,
"most states"? Can you list the 26 plus states that do this please?
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but of course backwoods Ohio can find a reason not to help those who earned it.
Who's going to help me?
Did these vets get drafted, or did they sign up? Did they get paid for what they did? Did they receive an increase in pay for serving in a battle zone? Do they get free health care for injuries received in war? Don't they get, as veterans, a monthly check already?
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I guess Vets should just abuse the system just like many others do across the state and, thats the real problem, not giving a few bucks to vet's who need help. How wrong that is, but hey I somewhat expect this reaction from people in this state.
No, the problem is the entitlement mind set. Of the non workers. Of the vets that chose to do their job.......entitlement is a nasty thing.
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Your probably right,the issue most likely will fail and that is sad, but I somewhat expect this from a state who would rather help the lazy then those who tried to do something with their life.
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Giving away money? That's were your wrong, these people earned it, and if you were so worried about the economy then your gonna tell me you didn't cash your stimulus check?
If you take the emotion out of it,it just doesnt make financial sense. You keep trying to point to other things that didnt make finacial sense either as justification for doing something new that doesnt make finacial sense and that is where your argument is flawed. Hell if anybody desereves it ,these guys do but look at it this way. Does it,or would it make sense for a company that is struggling and is filing bankruptcy because they are broke to give huge bonuses to its employees? Oh yeah it was pretty dumb of General Motors and others to do that wasnt it? Yet now you want out government to do it.
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Your probably right,the issue most likely will fail and that is sad, but I somewhat expect this from a state who would rather help the lazy then those who tried to do something with their life.
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No most of use dont want to help the lazy and are POed that our money is going to do that. if we were allowed to vote to stop that we would do that also. Has zero to do with your flawed argument.
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Do your own research, and to answer your other questions if you think Vets get all sorts of "free" stuff, I can only laugh, they don't and if you believe that, well I don't know what to tell you, but hey I just want to help people who really earned and need it, so I guess I am just being an ass again. I shouldn't have bothered posting this, most people here are just self-centered and if they don't gain they don't care. Ehhh then again that's why I rarely even bother with this place, it gets laughable at times, and to get ridiculed because I support helping a vet, is sad. I'll move on, sorry I care about the country, our freedom and the people who make the sacrifice to defend it, guess I am crazy again...  
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Sorry I didn't know you spoke for the state, my bad. Your right I am wrong, you should be happy now I guess, since I am not arguing but that is the theme of this place, god forbid I care.
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I shouldn't have bothered posting this, most people here are just self-centered and if they don't gain they don't care. Ehhh then again that's why I rarely even bother with this place, it gets laughable at times, and to get ridiculed because I support helping a vet, is sad.
I did not ridicule you. Disagreeing with you is not ridicule. I gave ample reason for my stance, none of which is "self centered". This state is in debt, and to borrow money is foolish. You trying to equate not supporting this bill with supporting baby factories and ACORN is laughable.
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Boo-hoo.
Those entitlements you speak of are federally mandated programs,the states,nor we voters have any say in them.
I can only imagine that eveyone on here would like nothing more than to help out the veterans.
Borrowing at least $200m in bad economic times for a show of good faith isn't the prudent way to recover.
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Sorry I didn't know you spoke for the state, my bad. Your right I am wrong, you should be happy now I guess, since I am not arguing but that is the theme of this place, god forbid I care.
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Quit being such a drama queen,you have your opinion and everyone else does too. Some agree with you and some disagree. Thats just the way it goes,dont take it so personal. Nobody is ridiculing you,actually the reverse is true. You have ridiculed everyone that sees it different than you.
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It's illegal I believe to fire anyone that serves in the reserves. Their job is "reserved" for them.
Not even close. Some companies have (or at least used to have) very tolerant policies but nothing is legally protected. Many companies consider being a reservist a reason not to hire or even terminate.
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Do your own research,
Why? Because you don't like the answers to the questions I asked? There is no draft, so all veterans voluntarily signed up. All vets DO get combat pay IF they serve in a war zone. All service members get free healthcare while serving, and free healthcare for any job related injury. Unless a soldier gets a dishonorable discharge, the DO receive a monthly check.
Now, on to your "most states do it already" statement......can you name the "most states"? That would be 26 or more. I'll wait for that answer....you said it, YOU do the research.
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but hey I just want to help people who really earned and need it, so I guess I am just being an ass again.
I know many vets.....many. They don't want anything but an opportunity. And all of the ones I know have taken advantage of the opportunities they have had. Businesses LIKE to hire ex military people. Why? Because most ex mil. show up for work, do their job, and don't ask for anything more than they signed up for.
But I guess I'm just being an ass, right?
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I shouldn't have bothered posting this, most people here are just self-centered and if they don't gain they don't care.
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Ehhh then again that's why I rarely even bother with this place, it gets laughable at times, and to get ridiculed because I support helping a vet, is sad.
No one ridiculed you. You must have those thoughts in the back of your head in order for you to even say it.
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I'll move on, sorry I care about the country, our freedom and the people who make the sacrifice to defend it, guess I am crazy again...
Sorry for you.
You think for one minute you care more about this country than I do? Or more than most that post on here?
This state is bankrupt, it just hasn't said so yet. (so is our country for that matter)
IF you cared about the state, OR the country, you should be ranting and raving about the spending that already exists....not asking for MORE to be spent. Common sense is common sense. You can pout and leave here if you want to, OR you can try to understand what is being said: the money is not there to do this.
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It's illegal I believe to fire anyone that serves in the reserves. Their job is "reserved" for them.
Not even close. Some companies have (or at least used to have) very tolerant policies but nothing is legally protected. Many companies consider being a reservist a reason not to hire or even terminate.
I have a hard time believing that, but regardless, issue 1, according to fletch, is NOT just for reserves.......it's for all military that served......well, that served in afghanistan or iraq, or some other place.........it's for all military "vets"
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Quit being such a drama queen
That is name calling and I was banned for weaker comments then this and my comments were not directed towards anyone specific, but I bet you'll get away with it, but just thought I would point it out, and show there is a clique going on around here...
He can call me a drama queen and that flies but if I say the word snitch I get banned, nice double standard and probably will get banned again cause I said snitch again.
How laughable is this? Very.... Okay Ref's ban me again for no reason so I can chuckle...
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Don't use my words dude, I have no clue what I am talking about, since I am a drama queen, what do you expect... I guess I am wrong cause I care about those who served our country and a few bucks to them won't kill us, but I guess to some it does, why, who knows but again forgive me wanting those who actually sacrifice something to get a little something back. I guess I am nuts.
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I guess I am wrong cause I care about those who served our country and a few bucks to them won't kill us, but I guess to some it does, why, who knows but again forgive me wanting those who actually sacrifice something to get a little something back.
I guess I am nuts.
If you really want to show you care, go take up donations. A feeble attempt at laying a guilt trip on a message board doesn't prove that you care any more than the rest of us. I'd donate to a righteous vet cause. Not wanting our debt ridden state to borrow more money is a valid argument which you refuse to acknowledge.
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Wow thanks for telling me something I already do... My family not only does donate to our local VA we also volunteer to help those who are less fortunate. Give up your Thanksgiving or Christmas to deliver baskets or help do whatever is needed, don't question me, question yourself on what you do.
If you think 200 million to help those who deserve it is wrong, and hurts the state your not looking at the big picture, vote no, that's fine it is your choice but don't act like these people don't deserve it, they earned more so then the other monies being thrown around this state to help the lazy. I am not going to keep repeating myself but give it a rest, if the state can help those who don't want to help themselves and that's ok, why is it an issue to help those who did something???
If the issue 1 passed most of the money will go right back into the state and I guess boosting the economy is bad, but hey like I said that's the problem with our state, if an individual doesn't receive they don't like others being helped.
We can all agree to disagree but it is sad that I see allot of self-centered people in this state and just take a walk thru a VA talk to a vet, get to know what they been thru, but I think if most of you even did that you wouldn't care cause you don't benefit you or your family...
Most here would rather argue and not discuss the facts, ok that's fine but if you think 200 million will hurt Ohio then you don't see the picture.
Spend a day in one of their shoes then talk to me, what the issue is asking for is reasonable and sad some think it's a chore, I guess our freedom is a chore now... *shrug*
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You are twisting what people say and you're not even good at it. Nobody said they don't deserve it, we said that borrowing money when already in debt is wrong.'
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There you go again. Show me one post where somebody said it was OK for the state to help those who don't help themselves. You can't, because it's not there. You're making up BS to support your argument.
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Take off the blinders. You're just going off on a self-righteous tirade because others disagree with you. The only one doing the ridiculing is you....by saying we don't care because we don't support your method of financing a good cause.
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Talked to several of my buddies who are still serving in the military. They unanimously thought it was a bad idea for Ohio (even though they appreciated the gesture). That was enough for me. I voted "No" on Issue 1.
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how many ohio vets are there? this $200 million seems like an awful lot.
there is a lot of this money going somewhere else....
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Some of you guys kill me. Ohio is worse run than the Browns but this is our military. They give up a lot for us. We have free health care for illegals, money for people laid off, free lunches for kids., but we should say NO to our military?.......Vote yes on issue 1.
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Some of you guys kill me. Ohio is worse run than the Browns but this is our military. They give up a lot for us. We have free health care for illegals, money for people laid off, free lunches for kids., but we should say NO to our military?.......Vote yes on issue 1.
Some of you kill me as well. We want to get RID of free health care for illegals.....Get JOBS for those unemployed.....free lunches for kids? That's been around forever, and it's something I agree with.
But what you apparently don't get is some of us DO NOT WANT to pay even more in taxes. And yes, selling bonds to raise the money, if that's in fact what would've/will happen, is raising taxes..........someone has to pay.
Here's the bottom line: I want the state to REDUCE expenditures, not increase them.
If that makes me bad, hell, color me bad.
Honestly though, for you to think you're taking a "high road".........a " do it for the vets"....that's b.s.
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That is name calling and I was banned for weaker comments then this and my comments were not directed towards anyone specific, but I bet you'll get away with it, but just thought I would point it out, and show there is a clique going on around here...
thanks for the laugh today, it has been a long day and I really needed that.
To think there is a "clique" or a inner circle of favored posters around here is funny by itself but to think that me of all people would be in that " clique" is just freaking hilarious 
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