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Just watchin' ESPN GameDay....

They just finished a story on Jeff Fisher...apparently two owner's have approached Bud Adams about taking Fisher's contract off his hands.

Sounds like Fisher is now in play for 2010 also.

Holmgren, Cowher, Shannahan, Fisher, oh my!

I hope Randy's giving it some thought! IF not, he should sell the damn team cause he just doesn't give a damn.

RANDY DOESNT NEED TO HIRE A HEAD COACH PERIOD, HE NEEDS TO HIRE A FOOTBALL GUY TO RUN THIS TEAM, AND LET HIM DO ALL THE HIRING AND FIRING. IF RANDY GOES OUT AND HIRES ANY HEAD COACH, AGAIN.....IT IS A HUGE MISTAKE..... BUILD THE DAMN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCUTRE.

Him not hiring HC has nothing to do with caring, he needs to freaking get smart and stay completely out of football operations.

I would be ticked off if Randy hires coach, period. Hiring a HC, giving him full control, or hiring a GM to work with him, ETC. IS FREAKING STUPID.

Everyone needs to understand that the biggest reason we are where we are is a combination of bad people and bad structure, it will kill any business, and football is no different.

I would also like to see Jim Harbaugh as a candidate for Head Coach.

I know most people, including myself, don't usually like college coaches.

But Harbaugh has the pedigree (NFL QB, NFL assistant, successful head coach in college, etc.) to be a good coach.

He was also born in Toledo, Ohio.

Who cares if he went to Michigan. I don't.

The only thing is that college coaches usually like to have full control.

The only way I'll trust a coach is if someone with a lot of experience in the front office hires him.

We need to think about getting the President before we get a new coach, if we get one at all.

Does anybody else feel that there is something coming down the pike? They got rid of Koko out of the blue. Did Randy do this because he has found his big name to bring in as either GM or as a coach?

According to Jeff Schudel of the News Herald, he's already hired Accorsi as GM.

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I'm not sure I'd be down with it but I thought possibly Accorsi as president, Bernie GM learning under Accorsi and they hire a coach. Again, not sure I'd love it but it would give Kosar somenoe to bounce thing off of and a mentor.

Lerner may be looking to play on the Bernie/fans lovefest.

I'm as a big fan of Bernie as anyone, but I am not comfortable with him as a GM. Not now, not later. What has he done to hint that he would be a capable GM?

I COMPLETELY agree cap. If you want to go down that road, bring in someone as a GM an promote Bernie so he can learn.

If I'm in charge the search for someone to run this team starts and stops with Mike Holmgren. When he got to GB they were a terrible team that had been that way for years. He turned it around then did the same thing in Seattle. That would be my first choice.

I'm on board with the whole hire a football guy to be president first. and we need someone there that will do the job effectively. No one like John Collins because he was a puppet guy who just wanted to market the team, which is fine if you have an already established GM or a president of football operations that is sound, then you hire a marketing guy but...we need a strong football guy.

I'm not sure who would be the best for this....maybe Marty? we need a guy like Parcells...Im not sure of the names to make this happen.


as for GM...Charlie Casserly is a name i would enjoy
Floyd Reese
Marty or Holmgren if they arent willing to coach.
I dont know much else about other teams' GMs so i dont know for sure and wouldnt be the best person to ask about it. Can they hire me? I wanna be a GM

as for a head coach...
theres the very obvious big names...
Marty Schottenheimer
Mike Holmgren
Bill Cowher
Mike Shannahan
Jon Gruden
Jeff Fisher

names i would also look into
Kirk Ferentz...his Iowa teams are consistently the smartest, most prepared, disciplined, and good football teams in the country
Brian Billick
Mike Zimmer (to interview...the guy has done very well with defenses everywhere he's gone...and as long as he'd be willing to bring in a solid OC with playcalling experience or a very sound game plan...ala when Chud came in and blew Romeo away with his preparation)
Lane Kiffin (i doubt he'd leave Tennessee but I wanted him last year)
Monte Kiffin...he hasnt been a head coach and maybe thats for a reason...but he is one of the smartest football minds in football...again, a name id take a look at
Russ Grimm...he still hasnt been given a head coach job, but has been an asst head coach in Pitt and Arizona...2 teams that have just won with him around
Herm Edwards...now this interview would be a long shot because he has been a terrible head coach...but you take a look and see what hes learned from his failings at his old jobs...see if hes learned something and maybe he wouldnt be a horrible candidate...you do play to win the game after all...also, perhaps the FO in NY and KC had anything to do with his failings...or perhaps he could be an effective coordinator
Paul Pasquoloni...that may not be spelled correctly, but i believe he is the DC in Miami right now. He was also the head coach at Syracuse for years...Miami has had an incredible defense the last 2 years...and Paul has done the head coaching job, and did a good job, with subpar recruiting abilities in upstate NY
June Jones...another name that would be a long shot, but the guy has turned Hawaii around and is now doing the same thing with SMU...hes a talented coach
Dennis Erickson...hes done good things with Arizona St and has NFL experience
Gregg Williams...say hello to the new best defense in the NFL. The Saints D has been stellar under his watch, and his failings in Buffalo and Washington were not at his feet. He did well with what he had, but was set up to fail in both places, and he would deserves at worst another look.
Jim Haslett...another guy who could very well have learned from his mistakes...yea he's coaching in the UFL right now...but, his wagon was hitched to Aaron Brooks and Aaron sunk it, im sure he's learned from it and may return a better coach.
Mike Tice...he's worth an interview...if you asked me, it seemed he was just turning it around in Minny...his early teams were noted for fading in november, and his last season they picked it up big time in November after starting out very poorly...well much like Haslett who had the same problems...you learn from them and improve.
Bernie Kosar...you may as well interview him if he's willing to beome a head coach...at worst he could show he'd be a capable coordinator, or you return him to his consultant job. Bernie was very smart with football and you never know
Pepper Johnson...a former NFL linebacker who has been kicking around as a position coach for a while...you bring him in with the intent of him being a potential DC, but give him a chance to provide you with a comprehensive plan of being a coach.
Rob Ryan...if Rex can be an ok coach (and i think he's going to flop soon enough, but maybe Rob has talent)
Brad Seely...as you can see...Special Teams coordinators from good special teams units can be good head coaches.
Bobby April...head of another one of the best special teams in Buffalo...also, take a look at the Special Teams coordinator in Chicago...he's made Johnny Knox and Devin Hester into household names because of special teams
Mike Nolan...he wasnt a good coach in SF, but perhaps hes learned...if nothing else, hes done amazing things with the Denver defense...and if he can hire a legit OC (not mike martz) perhaps he could turn into a great coach
Jeff Jagodzinski...hes worth an interview...he was a head coach at BC when they were very solid and he also developed Matt Ryan into a fantastic QB.


There other other names that will pop up for sure...but for now...this is what i got.

however...how this has to work...is that we have to first hire a President of Football Operations..and he has to have the control...which we've all agreed upon. Then...we have to bring in a GM who will show us his plan for rebuilding this roster and team...and then he must bring in one of those coaches...the one that will most fit his plan.

the names i like the most are
Gregg Williams
Paul Pasquoloni
Billick
Zimmer
and Ferentz



this may not work....but would Mike Ditka want to come in as president of football operations much like Parcells did in Miami? I wouldnt want to trade all our picks though for Ricky Williams

Steve Mariucci.

Jeremy Green former director of pro player personnel now working for ESPN has thrown his name in the mix on Football Today Podcast. He says he was pushed out by Phil Savage and says he knows how to build a team. He also had great things to say about Randy Lerner. At this point it seems that anything is possible.

So, who's left?

The better question might be: who has turned it down? Because if we talk about who's left, it's pretty much the universe (minus Savage and Kokinis).

Seems Schottenheimer and Accorsi don't want it.

I agree with many others that I'd like to see Holmgren come in. But, I just don't know many other names.

Marty is no GM. We need a GM in that spot.

I really want Holmgren for the reasons I listed in the Marty thread, but I am fearing we could be getting the kid from the Giants. If the "rumors" are true and Acorsi is advising Lerner then it is logic that he would re-recommend the guy he did last off season..........the guy from the Giants. I really hope we look at Holmgren though.

I've got a stinkin' gut feeling that it's just a matter of time before Holmgren gives us the thumbs down. To get respectablility, which is definitely of utmost importance, we really need a high profile respected name in there. Is there anyone out there who fits the bill?

I could see Holmgren coming here if he was given final authority on ALL moves, and a ton of cash. These guys want the power to come in here and do as they see fit, and if Lerner gives them the power and the money this isn't as bad a gig as it looks on the surface. We really need someone who is respected as you said, but that also has ties to quality people in the NFL, and most important an eye for talent. The list for those qualifications is very short imo, and Holmgren would be # 1 on it.

David Gettleman is the guy Accorsi recommended the last time.

I assume he will be a candidate this time around.

Then there's the Bernie Kosar thing, which doesn't sound so good.

I don't mind Bernie if he's mentored for a reasonable amount of time by a good and experienced GM. Let's say the Acorsi thing had been legitI would have no problem with Acorsi building up the organization, and mentoring Bernie for 2-5 years and then Bernie taking over. I would have a huge problem with Bernie running the whole show on Day 1.....he simply isn't qualified for that at this time.

Well if Mangini get's fired we can hire the one guy from Philadelphia that wouldn't come here because Mangini was hired.

While I don't think he's a good GM candidate, I'm gonna throw Knight of Brown a bone here...

Bernie Kosar is that "corporate suit with football knowledge" that he wants so badly.

I'd look at Jimmy Raye, the Director of Player Personnel of the Chargers and son of the 49ers Offensive Coordinator, for GM. I like the way the Chargers draft, and he was Director of College Scouting from 2000-2007.

I'd hire a President first though, then let him hire a GM. Those two would then work together to hire a Head Coach after firing Mangini.

Yeah but that is a good reason to make him president and let him hire a gm.

I know comparing the arena league to the NFL is like comparing apples to Oranges but he took a Gladiators team and helped make them super competetive in basically one season.

I figured I would bring this up. Since Kosar is now in the building, why not hire this guy as Head coach?

Trestman and Kosar are still very close...and Trestman "is VERY good with QB"

some history

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He entered football coaching at the University of Miami in 1981 as a volunteer coach. In 1983 he was named quarterbacks coach. That year quarterback Bernie Kosar passed for 2,329 yards and Miami won the national championship. The next year Kosar completed 262 passes for 3,642 yards, both school records.

Trestman then moved to the National Football League and coached the running backs with the Minnesota Vikings in 1985 and 1986. He became quarterbacks coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1987 then held the same position with the Cleveland Browns in 1988. In Cleveland he again coached Kosar and the team finished 10-6 and made the playoffs. He was promoted to offensive coordinator in 1989. That year Kosar passed for 3,533 yards and 18 TDs, wide receiver Webster Slaughter had a franchise record 1,236 receiving yards, and the Browns made it to the AFC Championship game.

In 1990, Trestman returned to Minnesota as quarterbacks coach for the Vikings. He spent two years there and then left coaching for three years.

He returned to the NFL in 1995 as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator with San Francisco, where he served in that capacity through 1996. The first year he was there the 49ers led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards.

Trestman moved to the Detroit Lions and quarterbacks coach in 1997. That year Lion's quarterback Scott Mitchell passed for 3,484 yards, second most in team history.

In 1998 he was with the Arizona Cardinals as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. That year quarterback Jake Plummer threw for 3,737 yards, and the Cardinals made the playoffs for the first time since 1982 and won their first post season game in 51 years.

He next went to the Oakland Raiders in 2001 as the quarterbacks coach. In 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator and the Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. That Raider team made it to the Super Bowl but lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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He could be a possible Head coach that would be willing to work with a GM

He has tons of Expereince, he is "the guy" who made Kosar the Offensive Mind that he is..

look what Trestman has done with QB...he may be able to fix Brady Quinn

At worst the dude would make a great Offensive Coordinator to bring here....he would atleast be good in that role

I personally think he would make a good Head coach, but i just wondered what other people thought...

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Well if Mangini get's fired we can hire the one guy from Philadelphia that wouldn't come here because Mangini was hired.

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Tom Heckert - He was my number one choice when we hired Kokinis.

I would be a huge fan of him as OC because he has been very successful with QB's.

Is he even in coaching now? My concern would be that if he stopped in 2002, and has spent seven years away from the game, he'd be just a tad behind the eight ball.

I don't care how good of a coach you were, but if you take an extended period of time off, things change. He'd need some time to catch up.

Yeah it's been a while since I researched him but I remember liking what I read and wanting us to hire him.

He even has his own website.

http://www.coachmarctrestman.com/

J/C

I hope he hires a president first. A guy with experience and a track record. Then let him hire the GM.

I'm glad this is happening now, as I see it giving the team time to readjust. Hopefully the players will buy into whats happening. The way Jamal sounded in the after game interview, the place has no direction. Maybe if a guy is hired now, the players would see that a light is at the end of the tunnel.

As for Marty as GM, I say no way. Coach, yes, GM no.

Mangini has got to be crapping his pants right now

I said this in another thread, but it deserves another mention here, I will throw Jeremy Green, son of Dennis Green, and ex pro player of personnel here in cleveland, fired by Savage, has thrown his hat into the mix, saying he wants the job on ESPN Football Today Podcast. I wouldnt mind him being hired.

Here's a comprehensive list that consists of no inside knowledge of who Lerner would want, but is comprised of impressive candidates throughout the league:

Strictly a Team President Candidate
Russ Ball - Packers V.P. of Football Administration
Bernie Kosar (I'm throwing him here to say that he isn't qualified to be a GM, but I think he wouldn't be bad in overseeing the GM/Head Coach).

Team President AND/OR General Manager Candidates
Mike Holmgren - Former Seahawks GM/Coach, Packers Coach
Floyd Reese - Former Titans GM
Rich McKay - Falcons Team President, Former GM; Former Bucs GM

General Manager Candidates
Kevin Abrams - Giants Assistant General Manager
David Gettleman - Giants Director of Pro Personnel
Tom Telesco - Colts Director of Player Personnel
George Paton - Vikings Director of Player Personnel
Doug Whaley - Steelers Pro Personnel Coordinator
Ron Hughes - Steelers College Scouting Coordinator

Head Coaching Candidates
Jon Gruden - Former Bucs, Raiders Coach
Mike Shanahan - Former Broncos Coach
Bill Cowher - Former Steelers Coach
*Insert your favorite offensive/defensive coordinator here*