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Ok, so we are going nowhere this year. It's obvious Mangini is not afraid to jettison players he feels are more trouble or expensive than they are worth or the deal can help our team for the future.
The question is do we have any other players other teams may need that will result in good value for us without sacrificing our future ?
I don't think we have any other real "head cases" or problem players left on this team so that won't be a motivating factor. Age and value might be.
My two canidates are Corey Williams and Shawn Rogers.
Corey is going on 30 and doesn't seem to be mentioned much on defense.
(never has here) Maybe a 4-3 team can use a DE.
Shawn Rogers has been great at times and stats are hard to look at for what he does for our defense. Still.. I think Rubin has shown enough to get us by and Rogers is going on 31.
The question is: Are their any teams that need one of these guys and what value could we get ?
What do you guys think ? Do we trade Williams for a 3rd if we can ?
How about Rogers for a 2nd ?
Would you take that deal if offered ? Any other players we can afford to lose AND get a decent pick for ?
Too bad the deadline is so soon. I think a lot more value could be gotten later in the year after more key injuries and/or teams being closer to making a play off run.
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I think the Browns are done dealing for now. Williams maybe. But probably not until after the season. No way on Rogers. You can't trade him. Rubin is playing good in a back up role. I wouldn't mess that up just yet. Rogers age, at this point, doesn't really matter. He's not a running back, so it's not like he will hit the 30 wall. Hell, Ted Washington played until he was 70.
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Rodgers for a second? He's a perrenial Pro Bowler with a ton left in the tank?????
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I was thinking Eric Steinbach is on the block b/c of his size.. and the size of his contract...
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Williams maybe.. Rogers, I don't think so,, unless someone wants to give up a ton for him.. Rubin is good and may get better with time and experience, but Rogers changes things when he's in.
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I was thinking Eric Steinbach is on the block b/c of his size.. and the size of his contract...
Problem is Steinbach brings invaluable leadership and someone who can play backup LT if Joe Thomas goes down. I think Steinbach is worth whatever his contract is now. Our center to left three is very strong, and with Alex Mack it's only going to improve. Although I do believe that Thomas has a ways to improve as well. Yesterday I saw a play where he got Anderson killed.
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I think Quinn might get dealt. For what and to whom, I don't know.
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Everyone in the media is saying Quinn is next.
I just don't see it til after the season, but I could be wrong and they could be right.
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Not that we can believe the Media, but that is what they are saying.. Quinn is next.. That goes into the "for what it's worth' bag...LOL
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Maybe we can land a TE for Quinn if dealt....or maybe a WR with up side.
I dont feel its gonna happen though....DA is apt to go down at any time (as any QB can)
I aint ready to give up on Quinn yet.....i dont feel the FO is either.
I think we have done all the trading for the year we are gonna do.
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Read somewhere that Steven Jackson might be available from the Rams. Brady Quinn and a 4th or something like that for Jackson?  I can hope, right?
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Read somewhere that Steven Jackson might be available from the Rams.
Brady Quinn and a 4th or something like that for Jackson?
I can hope, right?
Holy crap, even with his injury problems id do it in a second
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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How much longer is Jackson signed for, I'd hate to trade for a guy who is here just thru the end of the season & why are they looking to trade him?
there not a very good team, why trade thier best Offensive Player.
Keep in mind if you reply to rebuild, would they really want Brady & give us a draft pick. Dont think that would fly, if they truely do wanna trade him to rebuild, they are gonna want high draft choices, something we need also. There gonna have thier pick of Tebow / Bradford why take on Brady & give up your 4th. ?
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Actually, my scenario was they get Brady and OUR 4th for Jackson. Not Jackson and their 4th for Brady.
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either way, I'm just asking. As much as I'd like to see him in a Browns uniform, unless he's signed for another 2-3 years, we shouldnt even be looking into. but thats Just my opinon.
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Everyone in the media is saying Quinn is next.
I just don't see it til after the season, but I could be wrong and they could be right.
This is just despair talking...
I would trade Quinn, DA and Ratliff combined for a 7th round pick.
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Actually, my scenario was they get Brady and OUR 4th for Jackson. Not Jackson and their 4th for Brady.
It'd probably take more to get Jackson.
As in Quinn and a 2nd rounder.
I doubt ManKok will do such a thing anyway.
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I would trade Quinn, DA and Ratliff combined for a 7th round pick.
No you wouldn't .. you would want a 7th this year and a 7th next 
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it's not like we have a lot of talent on this team and you want to dish two of our more talented dline guys away?
Some of you are outrageous.
Getting rid of Braylon . . . I can see the issue with the CBA, his attitude, his performance, his drops, his lethargic route running . . okay, talented kid, but a detriment to the fabric of this team in the long run. I can see why that happened. NOT two guys who are supposed to be pluggers not stat makers.
If anyone is getting traded it will be Quin and that is a big IF, if someone wants to cough up picks for his unproven talent. And I use the word talent loosely.
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I think we are done trading during the regular season.
Most of the players we have are former Jets, cornerstones, or players that need to be further evaluated.
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I think we are done trading during the regular season.
Probably true..
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Only guy that I could see traded is Quinn. He is the only guy that could net anything decent. And by decent I mean like a 3rd and a 5th.
Maybe.
But it could be even worse than that.
I don't really believe that they will make this move during the season---I just don't see it happening.
After teh Bengals game and this weeks game----I think DA is pretty much entrenched at the starting position. He is doing what Mangini wanted done---bring the offense to the line, and keep us moving forward.
He may have had a tough day passing yesterday--but we WON THE GAME and that is all Mangini really wants.
He didn't throw the game away, he made sure the offense was lined up correctly and got each play off like he was supposed too.
This doesn't make Quinn expendable just yet---but I think after the season he will demand a trade.
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Well, it is an interesting question. I can't really see them moving anyone but BQ at this point. The question is.... Which team would need him? Minn - Favre won't play forever (or will he?) and how much faith do they have in T Jacskon or S Rosenfels? Getting mentored under Favre for the next 4 years might be what BQ needs  Miami - Would they consider BQ to be more talented than Henne, Pennington, etc? St Louis - Another team in rebuild mode. Bulger, Boller or Brady? Oakland - How long do they stick with Russel? Although, I have a hard time believing that BQ is Raiders material. Tenn - Collins is showing his age. Have they given up on Vince "HOF" Young? Redskins - Never put anything past Daniel Snyder. We can debate this all day but I'd really be shocked if the Browns did any more wheeling and dealing before 10-20.
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Tampa Bay?
Yep. Tampa Bay would likely trade for Brady Quinn without letting their 1st round draft pick see the field first. 
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Maybe we can trade them for that stud TE they have? 
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After teh Bengals game and this weeks game----I think DA is pretty much entrenched at the starting position
Man, then we are in trouble if that's considered "solidifying your position".
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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After teh Bengals game and this weeks game----I think DA is pretty much entrenched at the starting position
Man, then we are in trouble if that's considered "solidifying your position".
Seriously. That's sad.
Our passing offense is in major shambles. If you don't anyone on your roster who is able to actually catch a football, it really dosen't matter much who's throwing the ball. That said, I don't think DA helps recivers much as his balls aren't the most catchable in the NFL. But when you have Royal dropping balls that drop right into your hands, you're screwed.
Honestly, I wouldn't want to be either of our QBs right now.
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no way quinn gets dealt, why? because he wants out? too bad. step it up and play hard if you wanna play.
quinn's value right now isn't worth it. would you take a 5th round pick for him? i wouldn't, i'd rather wait and see if he blossoms into anything.
i just don't see any team calling up george kokinis and offering anything worthwhile for brady quinn. and it's not like he's some kind of a cancer in the locker room. if the guy wants back on the field, he has to show it, and i am sure we haven't seen the last of him this year (especially after anderson's epic performance yesterday)
i don't think we're gonna pull a cleveland indian and start trading away anything of value, i think mangini saw a chance to get rid of a guy who's a headache and wasn't putting up numbers on the field, but who still has upside. he got back 2 decent picks, a receiver who could add depth, and a specials teams player. better than the zero picks and/or players we would have gotten when edwards took off on us after the year anyway. good deal in my book. even if he turns out to be a great receiver in new york, it wasn't happening in cleveland.
we have a lot of picks next year, which is good, because we have a ton of holes.
i still stand by mangini and kokinis.
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i still stand by mangini and kokinis.
Ya know what.....I do too.....are they perfect...NO....do & are they gonna make every move or handle every situation perfect....NO....I like the no-nonsence, my way or the highway disaplin they have brought with them. Is there areas that need work, heck yes, but watching the game yesterday, I will say the Def. played tuff and they will get better as the talent gets better, our D didnt stand around and reacted to what was thrown at us, we attached the offence and made them change. Our special teams were outstanding and really won us the game, Every year a team should expect to get a win or two from their special teams, yesterday we got our 1, i'll take another please....but overall, i'm not happy, but I will stand behinds Mangini & Kokinis, becuase as a new coach it's easier to lighten up later than it is to come in soft and than try to toughten up.
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Brady Quinn - I'd like to get a 3rd and 6th for him. - I don't think anybody gives up a second rounder for him.
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Brady Quinn - I'd like to get a 3rd and 6th for him. - I don't think anybody gives up a second rounder for him.
Same here. Someone MIGHT give up a second, but whatever happens, I want him traded and think it will happen in the offseason.
I also think nobody else gets traded.
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i would guess that 1 of the QBs gets dealt prior to next year's draft.
Which one .....?
Who knows? Probably whichever one brings more in a trade.
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i would guess that 1 of the QBs gets dealt prior to next year's draft.
Which one .....?
Who knows? Probably whichever one brings more in a trade.
I agree. Neither of them are good enough. I think it's abundantly clear that the coaches feel that way. Whoever brings in the most value goes and we keep the other as a backup.
Hopefully.
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he made sure the offense was lined up correctly and got each play off like he was supposed too.
Sweet googily moogily......this is what we've come to?....... He gets the offense lined up correctly!?!....... 
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DA got me -2 points this week. rawr! welcome back to the lineup mr. rivers!
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DA got me -2 points this week. rawr! welcome back to the lineup mr. rivers!
Me and you are in the same boat. I dropped Trent Edwards and picked up DA just for this game. Rivers is starting from here on out.
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Williams would play DT in the 4-3. And in case you haven't noticed and apparantly you haven't, now that he is healthy I am seeing him in the other teams backfield quite a bit.
Any trade conversation for Rogers would begin with: "So in addition to your 1st round pick next year ..."
I don't think we will trade Quinn yet. Why? Because I don't believe Mangini is sold on Anderson. I don't think he has completely given up on BQ as of yet. And I suspect he doesn't think Ratliff is ready for prime time. At least not yet. Though I can see a Qb being traded before the draft of we scout the Qb's and fall in love with one of them. Pike perhaps? But no guarentee would get the guy we wanted.
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