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This is just getting silly now. How many young QB with 3-10 starts air it out at first.
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I don't know the 44yrd TD he threw to BE looked pretty darn good, (I know it got called back).
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After all this I still would rather have a QB like BQ over a gun slinger that can throw the ball any where like DA.
yea, i hate having a qb who can throw the ball anywhere. i ONLY want them to complete passes under 10 yards. especially when down 3 scores in the 4th quarter.
Ok, well when Brady bounces back and plays well and Sanchez stinks up the joint (and both these things will happen), you'll be singing praises. I don't care about your view of me. My view of you is that you're another wishy-washy whiny Browns fan who pouts when we lose and wants to blame the QB for everything. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.
Quinn's going to be fine. We're still going to need to stop the run though and get the running game going. When we put all those things together we won't lose.
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I think Quinn needs longer than 4 or 5 games - but let me just say after his performance today that I'm glad we didn't ship off DA for a low round pick.
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You get mad at someone and *ignore* them? Seriously, this place is a bit too childish for me tonight...wth is going on here?
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Yes Mangini did make a mistake at QB.
They should have named Quinn the starter from Day 1 and allowed him and the rest of the offense to settle in and get some continuity with each other.
Quinn has a new starters at WR2, WR3, TE. He's got new protection at C, RG, RT. It's not like had the same guys to work with forever.
And another thing that's more conceptual than anything else. Do you want Quinn throwing the ball downfield when the coverage is good? When WRs aren't open?
This is more for the people that actually attended but were there down field open options and Quinn wasn't pulling the trigger? It's the biggest reason from a watching perspective to be at the game is to watch what's going on away from the ball.
Quinn did not have a good game. There were a lot of players that didn't play well. There were players that played worse than Quinn.
Let's see how he does for the rest of the season. And yes he needs to have a about a half dozen games before we can really start to gauge his play and a year or two to write the book on him.
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You guys are something else...really.  The first game of the season and you want him out. Anderson got over a season to show us how much he could be good DA/bad DA and everyone was STILL kneeling in front of him. Maybe we will all be happy with Quinn next week - maybe not. Only time will tell...and that means more than the first game of the season.
And, you're kidding, Arch...he's not a rookie?!?!  I also doubt all the dinking and dunking is his doing. Some, yes, but not all.
Anderson got over a season? No. Idiots were calling for his head after game 1 of his first season.
I said it, you can check on it: I don't care who starts this year, they better produce, because neither or them are a rookie.
Well, quinn started. The guy can't pass downfield. Not like it's up to you or me, but let's give him 5 more weeks. I'll bet he doesn't throw more than 2 passes per game over 20 yds. (that's passes that hit the rec. at 20 yds or more - not total yards on a recption)
Damn, Anderson caught hell last year. Everyone wanted quinn. Well, I say "we have seen what quinn has"......he's a 3rd year pro. Don't like that terminology? That's what many said about DA last year - that he shouldn't be having any problems since he was a 3rd year pro.
Oh, and DA had to deal with the drops also.
Quinn needs to put up some numbers, soon. No excuses.
I said that a month ago. No excuses for whoever starts, and I stand by it today. No excuses. Put up or shut up, Quinn or Anderson.
I could've completed passes today for 2 yds. That isn't very tough. Does Quinn know he has wide receivers?
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Quinn minimized the turnovers he did and sure, he didnt "wow" anybody. He played it safe. He's relatively new to the game. So, I don't see what the issue is.
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Is it up to him to design the play or is he told what to do? I'm asking because I'm not sure how often it's actually the QB's call.
It is NOT up to him to design the play. But I would bet my house that not every play was designed to go to the second, or even third receiver.
Now, granted, I couldn't see the w.r. routes - mainly cause quinn threw the dump offs, but I will not believe, for a second, that the w.r. were not ever open, other than the bad pass to BE.
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There is a HUGE difference between the Mannings' and Brady Quinn's 4th start. Their starts came in their rookie years and BQ is in his 3rd year. Regardless of how many starts BQ has, he should have moved and managed the game better. If you want a fair start comparison, compare BQ to Aaron Rodgers. I'm currious to what you come up with 
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Is it up to him to design the play or is he told what to do? I'm asking because I'm not sure how often it's actually the QB's call.
well, it's hard to evaluate what's happening downfield so i'm willing to cut quinn some slack. that said, i doubt the plays have the receivers running downfield then in circles like chickens with their heads cut off.
the next few weeks will be very telling, imo, as teams see that preference to hit the TE and RB and the defenses'll let him do it all day long. the challenge has been put out there. can he complete passes to the receivers? not even 30-40 yarders, just 7-10 yarders. hell, people raked DA through the coals for missing a slant throw in the preseason to edwards. the SAME play happened today with the SAME miss (thrown behind him) and no one mentions it. there was all this talk that he can spread the ball and such but what i saw was 9 targets to royal, 13 completions to the TEs and RBs, and just 8 to the actual receivers.
and michelle, i read more than enough posts. childish, maybe, but i had stopped reading a while back.
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I think Quinn needs longer than 4 or 5 games - but let me just say after his performance today that I'm glad we didn't ship off DA for a low round pick.
Give it up. Anderson will never be the starter here again. And I'm not a Quinn backer or Anderson backer. I am just a Browns fan. Fact of the matter is unless he gets hurt, this year is Brady Quinn's. It makes me laugh that the OP and others in the thread are talking like "we'll give him 4 games or we'll give him 10 games". Got news for you, he's going to start all season long, and you're going to show up and watch it because there's nothing we can do about it.
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There is a HUGE difference between the Mannings' and Brady Quinn's 4th start. Their starts came in their rookie years and BQ is in his 3rd year. Regardless of how many starts BQ has, he should have moved and managed the game better. If you want a fair start comparison, compare BQ to Aaron Rodgers. I'm currious to what you come up with
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I liked Anderson to start after watching the preseason, however, I wanted to see what Quinn brings as our starter. He had a bad bad game along with horrible calls from our OC. I wouldn't mind going back to DA but I will support Brady Quinn every week and hope we all improve as a team. I also hope our rookie WR's get some playing time. I can't wait for next week. This game is over and it's time to look ahead.
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I think that's not even enough. People are ready to pull the plug on him, but does anyone realize we already know what we have on the bench? Anderson is good for two turnovers a game at least
oh you mean the int and the fumble? one, two.
At least two for Anderson. When the game counts, like against Cinci in Dec 07, he's good for a baker's dozen.
To you guys who want to bench Quinn already, go watch what some Eli Manning. He was thought to be the biggest joke in the world at QB for three seasons, and now he's the top paid QB in the league and has a ring. You have to give Quinn a real shot.
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Things haven't changed on this board or any Browns board I've been a member of since the return in 1999, and we've won 1/3 of our games since then, so it's like this often. When we lose it's going to be threads like this; probably always and forever. When we win it's going to be that we've found our QB and worries are gone until the next sunday at the least. The truth lies somwhere in between and everyone needs to just relax.
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I will never forget that Bengals game ...... I had to work that day. I came home to find out that the Browns had hung 50+ on the Bengals. I would never have known it from some of the comments I saw on game threads. I am reminded of something I heard on a football show some time ago. It was something like "QBs are paid to put the ball where their guy can get it and receivers are paid to go get it." Anderson did exactly that for a good part of that year. Our offense attacked. We scored points. We scored TDs. We won games! It was amazing. Even more so because some people were still calling for Quinn.  Even now ...... I read some of the comments on this board, you would think that Anderson threw 1 TD and 30 INTs last year. It just amazes me.
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There is a HUGE difference between the Mannings' and Brady Quinn's 4th start. Their starts came in their rookie years and BQ is in his 3rd year. Regardless of how many starts BQ has, he should have moved and managed the game better. If you want a fair start comparison, compare BQ to Aaron Rodgers. I'm currious to what you come up with
How's Jay Cutler doing tonight (4th year)
The point was this being BQ's 4th start in his 3rd year versus the arguement another fellow dawgtalker posted comparing him to the Manning's in their rookie season.
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Things haven't changed on this board or any Browns board I've been a member of since the return in 1999, and we've won 1/3 of our games since then, so it's like this often. When we lose it's going to be threads like this; probably always and forever. When we win it's going to be that we've found our QB and worries are gone until the next sunday at the least. The truth lies somwhere in between and everyone needs to just relax.
Well of course. No one wants to "stay the course" when the Browns are getting spanked and everyone is like a drunk on New Year's when they win.
It's just annoying. Oh well...
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I think that's not even enough. People are ready to pull the plug on him, but does anyone realize we already know what we have on the bench? Anderson is good for two turnovers a game at least
oh you mean the int and the fumble? one, two.
At least two for Anderson. When the game counts, like against Cinci in Dec 07, he's good for a baker's dozen.
To you guys who want to bench Quinn already, go watch what some Eli Manning. He was thought to be the biggest joke in the world at QB for three seasons, and now he's the top paid QB in the league and has a ring. You have to give Quinn a real shot.
that's incredible. you use eli manning, when all of us use him as the prime comparison for DA? wow.
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Against Houston, not Minnesota. And 107 yds from his RB rushing.:)
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Against Houston, not Minnesota.
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I think that's not even enough. People are ready to pull the plug on him, but does anyone realize we already know what we have on the bench? Anderson is good for two turnovers a game at least
oh you mean the int and the fumble? one, two.
At least two for Anderson. When the game counts, like against Cinci in Dec 07, he's good for a baker's dozen.
To you guys who want to bench Quinn already, go watch what some Eli Manning. He was thought to be the biggest joke in the world at QB for three seasons, and now he's the top paid QB in the league and has a ring. You have to give Quinn a real shot.
that's incredible. you use eli manning, when all of us use him as the prime comparison for DA? wow.
Derek Anderson is a terrible quarterback. Eli Manning carried a team on his back to win a Super Bowl, and has turned into a legit franchise QB. The two of them are night and day.
Quick answers like Matt Ryan nearly ever happen in the NFL at QB. If you don't put the time into developing a QB, they don't just occur.
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I think that's not even enough. People are ready to pull the plug on him, but does anyone realize we already know what we have on the bench? Anderson is good for two turnovers a game at least
oh you mean the int and the fumble? one, two.
At least two for Anderson. When the game counts, like against Cinci in Dec 07, he's good for a baker's dozen.
To you guys who want to bench Quinn already, go watch what some Eli Manning. He was thought to be the biggest joke in the world at QB for three seasons, and now he's the top paid QB in the league and has a ring. You have to give Quinn a real shot.
that's incredible. you use eli manning, when all of us use him as the prime comparison for DA? wow.
Derek Anderson is a terrible quarterback. Eli Manning carried a team on his back to win a Super Bowl, and has turned into a legit franchise QB. The two of them are night and day.
Quick answers like Matt Ryan nearly ever happen in the NFL at QB. If you don't put the time into developing a QB, they don't just occur.
wrong. derek's development is EXACTLY like eli but he's doing it FASTER than eli did. eli is not a franchise qb nor was he even that great that year. he's never even completed 60% of his passes in his first 3 years (something people here seem convinced is the deciding aspect of if a qb is legit). you're way off.
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I will never forget that Bengals game ......
I had to work that day. I came home to find out that the Browns had hung 50+ on the Bengals.
I would never have known it from some of the comments I saw on game threads.
I am reminded of something I heard on a football show some time ago. It was something like "QBs are paid to put the ball where their guy can get it and receivers are paid to go get it."
Anderson did exactly that for a good part of that year.
Our offense attacked.
We scored points.
We scored TDs.
We won games!
It was amazing. Even more so because some people were still calling for Quinn.
Even now ...... I read some of the comments on this board, you would think that Anderson threw 1 TD and 30 INTs last year. It just amazes me.
Why are we talking about Anderson?
If he didn't have glaring blemishes, it'd still be his job. He is what he is. And that was less than amazing. He's a turnover prone, one-trick pony. He was the same way at Oregon State. He had his high points in 2007, but he collapsed mightily and was exposed.
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I know everyone came into this game terrified of Minny's D, but someone enlighten me as to how they completely dominated us, you know, with Jamal averaging 5 yards a carry and our Oline giving Quinn plenty of time to throw all game long.
And as I type this, Cutler lights up Devin Hester for a 36 yard TD through the air, so "NFLToday" can put that in his pipe and smoke it.
Brady just does not have the tools to score early and often. And when you need to put points up quick, slow and methodical just doesn't work.
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Really? Because it seems me that Eli was never benched. Anderson lost his job for turning the ball over like he was part of a points shaving scandal.
If you are syncing up their stats and using that as a guide, then we don't have much to talk about. Using a stat sheet will get you nowhere when comparing the two of them. Right now when the game is on the line, Anderson chokes and turns the ball over and is 100% incapable of running the offense in it's entirety. Eli has drastically improved in this area over the past season and a half and is a field general, and I will bet you the bank he finishes well over 60% this season.
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I know everyone came into this game terrified of Minny's D, but someone enlighten me as to how they completely dominated us, you know, with Jamal averaging 5 yards a carry and our Oline giving Quinn plenty of time to throw all game long.
And as I type this, Cutler lights up Devin Hester for a 36 yard TD through the air, so "NFLToday" can put that in his pipe and smoke it.
Brady just does not have the tools to score early and often. And when you need to put points up quick, slow and methodical just doesn't work.
You haven't seen enough of Brady Quinn to know what he is or isn't. He compares physically and mentally pretty well with an Eli Manning or Matt Hasselbeck. They've done fine in this league.
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Really? Because it seems me that Eli was never benched. Anderson lost his job for turning the ball over like he was part of a points shaving scandal.
If you are syncing up their stats and using that as a guide, then we don't have much to talk about. Using a stat sheet will get you nowhere when comparing the two of them. Right now when the game is on the line, Anderson chokes and turns the ball over and is 100% incapable of running the offense in it's entirety. Eli has drastically improved in this area over the past season and a half and is a field general, and I will bet you the bank he finishes well over 60% this season.
great proof. just...top notch.
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Derek Anderson is a terrible quarterback.
See that's what i'm talkin about.
His first year starting he makes the pro-bowl. Has a few bad games but it was his first year starting. You'd think the guy would get a pass. Nope not from Browns fans.
Second year starting. No blocking, no running game, dropped balls, bad coaching.....etc. Does he get a pass? Noooooo.
No instead he loses his job to a tool bag who did nothing in college except have a terrible completion percentage and couldn't win a big game if his life depended on it. But his name is Brady Quinn, he went to Notre Dame and was coached by Charlie Weis. He's GOTTA be a winner.
This whole obsession with Quinn makes me sick and it's really starting to make me hate the guy.
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Really? Because it seems me that Eli was never benched. Anderson lost his job for turning the ball over like he was part of a points shaving scandal.
If you are syncing up their stats and using that as a guide, then we don't have much to talk about. Using a stat sheet will get you nowhere when comparing the two of them. Right now when the game is on the line, Anderson chokes and turns the ball over and is 100% incapable of running the offense in it's entirety. Eli has drastically improved in this area over the past season and a half and is a field general, and I will bet you the bank he finishes well over 60% this season.
great proof. just...top notch.
I'm glad I took the time to give legit reasons as to why Eli is worlds better than Anderson, and you gave such a well thought out response.
If you want to take a mulligan on this and have a real football discussion, let me know. If not, I'll let you respond with insults.
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Really? Because it seems me that Eli was never benched. Anderson lost his job for turning the ball over like he was part of a points shaving scandal.
If you are syncing up their stats and using that as a guide, then we don't have much to talk about. Using a stat sheet will get you nowhere when comparing the two of them. Right now when the game is on the line, Anderson chokes and turns the ball over and is 100% incapable of running the offense in it's entirety. Eli has drastically improved in this area over the past season and a half and is a field general, and I will bet you the bank he finishes well over 60% this season.
Eli Manning is a stud. I agree with your post in that; he and Derek Anderson couldn't be further apart. They aren't in the same category. But that's why one has a ring and was the #1 overall pick and the other was 6th round junk heap picked up from a practice squad.
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Dude, it has nothing to do with a Quinn lovefest, and everything to do with Anderson sucking. It seems like Browns fans are the last ones to get that.
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Really? Because it seems me that Eli was never benched. Anderson lost his job for turning the ball over like he was part of a points shaving scandal.
If you are syncing up their stats and using that as a guide, then we don't have much to talk about. Using a stat sheet will get you nowhere when comparing the two of them. Right now when the game is on the line, Anderson chokes and turns the ball over and is 100% incapable of running the offense in it's entirety. Eli has drastically improved in this area over the past season and a half and is a field general, and I will bet you the bank he finishes well over 60% this season.
great proof. just...top notch.
I'm glad I took the time to give legit reasons as to why Eli is worlds better than Anderson, and you gave such a well thought out response.
If you want to take a mulligan on this and have a real football discussion, let me know. If not, I'll let you respond with insults.
you gave no real reasons. you get no legit response.
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Dude, it has nothing to do with a Quinn lovefest, and everything to do with Anderson sucking. It seems like Browns fans are the last ones to get that.
It has everything to do with a Quinn lovefest. It always has. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
Anderson didn't suck as much as it was him getting no help what so-ever. That is so clearly obvious. I shouldn't evenm have to state that. Because when the team was clicking he was clicking. How is that so hard for everyone to understand.
Guess what the team was clicking for a while today and we didn't see Brady do squat with it. We are gonna get rid of Anderson and he is going to light it up somewhere else and we are gonna be whining about what could have been.
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It may for many, but for the poster you responded to, it doesn't. Anderson will never light it up anywhere ever.
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Haha o.k  And neither is Brady then.
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He already has. Oh wait, that was all Edwards and Winslow and "circus catches".
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Dude, it has nothing to do with a Quinn lovefest, and everything to do with Anderson sucking. It seems like Browns fans are the last ones to get that.
anderson maybe only be average on this league. that said, you don't think he can recreate the qb production in today's game? he definitely did well against an equally good 08 giants defense.
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