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I haven't got a clue... So I want to put it out there for all the board GURUs. Is there any hope, scenario, scheme etc. that helps us improve RT before game one? I know cuts are coming, but will any RT's be cut that would be an improvement over our current roster? I see this as a major problem this year. Feedback Please. 
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No, this ship has sailed away....should have drafted Oher over Mack or Loadholt over Massa/Veikune....no roster cut will be better short term than StClair/Tucker...hey, I guess we signed Royal for a reason...he will have to pass block next to RT often
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No... Could happen though w/ roster cuts.. but probably won't be some BIG name...
LT Thomas
LG Steinbach
C Mack
RG Hadnot/ Fraley
RT Tucker/ St. Clair
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We will bring in a veteran or two after roster cuts, will this person step in and upgrade a position, NO......anybody that can do that will be kept.
Some veterans might be cut due to big contracts, but it seems it's becoming less & less every year this happens, most veterans are redoing thier contract inorder not to be waived, yes there are some but fewer than in years past.
I do forsee us looking for a veteran RB, O-Linemen other than that it's just comparing who is availible and if they are an upgrade over what we currently have.
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No, this ship has sailed away....should have drafted Oher over Mack or Loadholt over Massa/Veikune....no roster cut will be better short term than StClair/Tucker...hey, I guess we signed Royal for a reason...he will have to pass block next to RT often
Dude I wanted a OT too but c'on...we needed recievers and LB's...why not get angry over the fact that we had no third rounder to use?
The Browns tried to target the most glaring weaknesses..LB/WR/OC..
If U take Oher over Mack where are U slotting him?
You're instantly putting him at RT?
Then explain what you would've done at center..I explained how I would have addressed the center position long before the draft..
I would have used Hadnot there..then I would have drafted a OT..but I certainly am not miffed we drafted Mack..if we had a third rounder it would be nice to see how that would have changed the draft..
Usually I'm one of the few who consistantly gives my opinion on the draft right after it and long after it's done...I haven't complained very much because I see what was done..I know I wouldn't have done it exactly like KoMan did..but I give them some props for doing something most of us have screamed about for years..not one , not two, but three tradedowns in the first round..stockpile picks..
The one thing you tend to overlook are football IQ...something Oher lacks..we have enough players whose IQ's amount to the size of a cup of Gatoraide.. 
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I am concerned as well. Haven't had a full season out of Tucker although he is OK, and truthfully his pass blocking is lame in some matchups. And I really have NOT cared for St. Clair at all. We need to buy one. Maybe the Bungles want to trade for theirs. Tough to run without one. 
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my understanding was that mack is a much better center prospect than oher is at T.
would have liked to have seen another OL in the second, but...
anyways st. clair/ tuck + royal ought to be more effective than shaffer on his own.
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Considering the Bengals still haven't signed Andre Smith, I have a feeling they're not looking to give away any of their tackles.
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I don't think its a mistake when a team has:
1. A Need
2. Need is Strength of the draft.
3. You got the choice of the first ONE.
Mack is the result...no ship passing us by. Just not enough picks for our needs long term.
Actually one who might have gotten away is Britton at #36.
Back to the thread and the question...is there any possible improvement come cut day.
The team I'm looking at is the SF 49ers. They made heavy investments at OT.
They got Staley and Marvel Smith as probable starters.
Joe Toledo 26, 6'5" 330 Highly regarded talent - Sustained big injury in 06 this season first back to normal???
Adam Snyder 27, 6'6" 325 - ex-teammate of DA's??? Played every position for SF except Center...probably keeper for depth. 3rd rounder.
Barry Sims - fighting for a roster spot (think he's going to get cut) once a well thought of LT but really hasn't shown he can play other positions and in his 11th season...I don't think he's an answer for us at RT.
Kyle Howard - 23 6'7" 312, I got a feeling they are going to waive him cut day and then sign onto their practice squad. I like him and hope we pick him up before clearing waivers.
Alex Boone - 22 6'7" 330...Another rookie they brought in. Just remember how many OTs will a team keep.
Jacob Bender - 24 6'6" 315...has been playing a lot of LT and I think he will beat out Sims. There is a chance that they will keep Sims over him for his Veteran experience at LT as the Just in case guy for Staley.
So Toledo, Snyder, Howard, Boone and Bender...all young guys fighting with Sims for the back up job. As mentioned I think Snyder stays cause of his Versatility - and I hope they choose Sims as their LT backup.
Very interested in Toledo if he is 100% healed.
Boone always interested me, Bender has looked good and Howard also has gotten a lot of time in Preseason.
I like all 4 over the prospects of playing Sowells!
Never say never...but somebody GOOD is going to leave the 49ers camp
 Problem is...Which one 
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Listening to Redskins talk radio yesterday they are in the market for a RT too.
Maybe we get to pick before them?
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Mack was a great pick, if for no other reason, I believe he was at the top of the Steelers' board. I think we got our cake and got to eat it too.
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Dude I wanted a OT too but c'on...we needed recievers and LB's...why not get angry over the fact that we had no third rounder to use?
The Browns tried to target the most glaring weaknesses..LB/WR/OC..
1. we got a highly regarded ILB with that pick in 2008, his name is B.Bell...and he was 3rd or 4th on the depth chart to start the draft...yet Mangini thought it would be more urgent to draft another ILB prospect or another WR instead of a RT (Loadholt)...this was by choice...and no, I don' tlike it...and no, with their 3rd and 4th pick in this draft theiy DIDN'T draft the most glaring weakness since OLB and RT were still wide open
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If U take Oher over Mack where are U slotting him?
You're instantly putting him at RT?
Then explain what you would've done at center..I explained how I would have addressed the center position long before the draft..
I would have used Hadnot there..then I would have drafted a OT..but I certainly am not miffed we drafted Mack..if we had a third rounder it would be nice to see how that would have changed the draft..
Again, no need to diss Savage here quite yet...he got an ILB with a 2nd to 3rd round grade in the 4th and invested a future 3rd....I'm ok with the move
Mangini CHOSE to not give Bell another chance and drafted his own ILB soldiers, that's reality folks....he should have just kept Bell and Williams 1 more year as backups for evaluation purposes...he chose NOT to...that's what I mean with lateral moves...he chose to replace rather young and inexperienced mid-round talent (projects on their own) ILB with even younger and more inexperienced BUT handpicked ILB projects (Veikune, Maiava)....those picks WERE NOT necessary...we needed OLB (esp. a SOLB who can seal the edge in the run game AND pass rushers...we were crap at OLB last year since we couldn't do both) not so much ILB after signing Barton
What I see here is another case of new sheriff in town pissing contest
Oh, and Oher is just fine...he's a good guy and isn't a dumbass like Smith...he will be a very fine OT in this league. He isn't in any way a headcase....oh, and football IQ doesn't win games ask Ken Dorsey or Brian Russell...my point is: you need a good mix of talent and smartness...and Oher qualifies....easy
Also, I posted multiple times what I would have done at C....sign 1 of the many upgrades available in FA....and if they woudln't want to play for the Browns I'd rather go into the season with Hank and Hadnot at C than Tucker (can't trust him anymore) and StClair...remember, Shaffer was the reason we had no more games to watch starting November....and StClair looked worse pass protecting, you just can run past by him
and yeah, we should have no problem replacing Sowells via waivers...but don't expect even a below average starting RT
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1. we got a highly regarded ILB with that pick in 2008, his name is B.Bell...and he was 3rd or 4th on the depth chart to start the draft..
And what has he done?U hear anything about him pressing for a starter spot????
U serious think now he is the answer?
I lobbied for him but he hasn't shown he can pick things up..get real...
I woulda taken a LB with one of those 3..count 'em 3 2nd round picks..and just possibly I woulda taken Mala..if I felt he was sober enough to play sensibly..
We needed a instinctive pounding ILB and we don't have one yet..
Again, no need to diss Savage here quite yet
Oh yes there is..he felt panic mode to make those moves..Shaun Rodgers was a no brainer but not sure I woulda given up a second for C.Williams... Savage did nothing to try and get back that third that we gave up to Dallas..he moved around too recklessly in the draft , not gaining more picks but handing them over to other teams..
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And what has he done?U hear anything about him pressing for a starter spot????
U serious think now he is the answer?
I lobbied for him but he hasn't shown he can pick things up..get real...
I woulda taken a LB with one of those 3..count 'em 3 2nd round picks
Did you know that back in April? Did Mangini already know that? Does he even get a fair chance in camp with DQ and 3 Mangini "buddies" at ILB? We had 4 high picks and needed C, RT, CB, ILB, OLB, S, RB, WR...so we could only adress half of those needs...pick your top 4 or even 5 urgent needs...I don't know how ILB can make anybodys top 5 list....not even sure about C
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Oh yes there is..he felt panic mode to make those moves..Shaun Rodgers was a no brainer but not sure I woulda given up a second for C.Williams... Savage did nothing to try and get back that third that we gave up to Dallas..he moved around too recklessly in the draft , not gaining more picks but handing them over to other teams..
Overall, his net "gain" was respectable....he had 1 major flaw...he picked in rounds 3+4 like in round 5-7...instead of going it safer there with some proven College overachievers instead of some high upside projects (L.Williams, backup at Miami U, he often tried to get some falling prospects, who fell due to injury or lack of production: Perkins, Wilson come to mind....he took some risks, maybe too many? but he hit on some, and our talent level is better because of it)....he hit a lot of those in later rounds, gotta give him that (McDonalds, Harrison, Vickers, Rubin, Hall...even Steptoe who has NFL backup caliber, which isn't bad for a 7th rounder)
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Ok... with Tucker being cut, who I thought would end up at right tackle, what will we do here now? St.Clair and Womack... are we going into the season with that? Seriously?
Watch the cuts carefully, I can't imagine Mangini is happy with this.
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Back to the thread and the question...is there any possible improvement come cut day.
The team I'm looking at is the SF 49ers. They made heavy investments at OT.
They got Staley and Marvel Smith as probable starters.
And Smith retired soon after your post.....
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I remember a guy named Kevin Shaffer, oh wait, my bad, we cut him 3 months ago for St. Claire.
Back to the drawing board for me.
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Did you know that back in April? Did Mangini already know that? Does he even get a fair chance in camp with DQ and 3 Mangini "buddies" at ILB? We had 4 high picks and needed C, RT, CB, ILB, OLB, S, RB, WR...so we could only adress half of those needs...pick your top 4 or even 5 urgent needs...I don't know how ILB can make anybodys top 5 list....not even sure about C
I knew a lot of things back in April..I always post most of the stuff I find out..except the secret stuff I find out..Well guess what...your old coach didn't want him..they said he has a problem picking up things..learning disability..regardless of who we as fans want..if a coach believes a player is a bad fit, then the GM needs to respect that..and dispite that I still would look to upgrade..in a 34 U need a horde of LB's(tweeners) and CB's..U don't stand pat..U continue to upgrade..
As far as Phil goes...as I said he was too careless in giving up picks to get players..he could have stood pat on several picks and not stripped the team of future selections..
I won't forget the deal he made to get Wimbley..never ever would I have done that.. and I knew he had coveted Wimbley well before the draft..well before he was even coming out..
Leon Williams was not a good fit for this team either...and he squandered a pick on him too..
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"Smith retired soon after your post"
Yeah I've been the kiss of death lately...  Stated McCune made the team with his play...then he gets cut. Smith a lock at RT opening a young guy to come to us...he Retires!
weird year to call so far.
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Yeah I've been the kiss of death lately... Stated McCune made the team with his play...then he gets cut. Smith a lock at RT opening a young guy to come to us...he Retires!
Quick, say something about how Big Ben won't get hurt this year.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I just saw Offensive line rankings on yahoo..... http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/nfl/news;_ylt=AtGfiAcFV30tqr0OzVavZc25bZ8u?slug=expertsmg-oline_200915. Cleveland Browns Rush Blocking: Average Pass Blocking: Above Average LT Joe Thomas(notes) is a good player, but he got a gift in the form of a Pro Bowl nod after a down year. The line has been upgraded to help him out. First-rounder Alex Mack(notes) will likely start at center and improve the pass protection, which was already formidable. This will certainly help likely starting QB Brady Quinn(notes) get into the rhythm of the team’s new short-passing game. However, Cleveland will still suit up the plodding Jamal Lewis(notes) at RB, so those rushing game upgrades may be for naught. This is a line in transition from a zone-blocking scheme to a power-blocking scheme, so there may be some rough patches for the offense early in the season.
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shaffer isn't even starting for the bears.
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Dear Football godz, please send us a dependable / servicable upgrade at RT via the waiver wires... Thank you and PLEASE HURRY!... OHman.
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Yeah... there's a RT upgrade on this team and it's name is Isaac Sowells 
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there is a lot of Tra Thomas about to be cut talk. He aint much of a LT but I wouldnt mind seeing him at RT
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there is a lot of Tra Thomas about to be cut talk. He aint much of a LT but I wouldnt mind seeing him at RT
I wonder what Nat the Fat is doing
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Didn't know where else to post this... No, RT's on the list, but plenty of other quality players. Quote:
eams face their most critical roster decisions of the year this weekend. Each team must trim 22 players from its roster, meaning 704 players will be released.
There will be other moves made as well -- trades, practice-squad additions. But the decisions that will shape each team's roster, and subsequently, its season, now are in the process of being made.
And here are the most intriguing names that, according to NFL coaches, executives and agent, are now on the bubble.
Cleveland RB Jamal Lewis -- Lewis still can play. He has run for over 1,000 yards in each of the past three years and four of the past five. But remember, Lewis turned 30 last month and is scheduled to make $2.9 million. Sometimes new regimes like to bring in their players.
Seattle WR Deion Branch -- Teams don't like to pay $5 million for receivers that do not start. It could create a sticky situation in Seattle. If he doesn't stay there, Branch will have no trouble catching up to another receiver-needy team such as the N.Y. Jets.
New England TE Ben Watson -- The former first-round back has fallen behind Chris Baker and David Thomas on the depth chart. It looks like he is competing with former Bucs tight end Alex Smit h for one spot.
New England WR Joey Galloway -- A team so deep at wide receiver must figure out if there is room for a quality graybeard.
Jacksonville CB Brian Williams -- Cost is a factor here with Williams set to make $4 million. The Jaguars could opt to move him to safety, or they could opt to part ways.
Oakland QB Jeff Garcia -- There have been grumblings around the league the past month that Garcia could have a hard time making it. If Oakland decides it would be better to go with the younger Bruce Gradkowski or Charlie Frye or another available quarterback, Garcia could have trouble.
New York Giants WR David Tyree -- New York is deep at wide receiver and it is difficult to envision how the player that made the most memorable play in Super Bowl history is going to make it.
Chargers RB Michael Bennett -- Good enough to play in this league, but he's going to have to beat out some other good backs for a roster spot.
Tampa Bay K Matt Bryant -- Indica tions are that it is going to be difficult for Bryant, the incumbent, to beat out Mike Nugent for the Buccaneers kicking job.
Washington WR D.J. Hackett -- Youth is being served in Washington and it's going to be difficult for Hackett to make it.
Denver OLBs Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder -- Once the first- and second-round picks in the same draft class, neither has made an impact in Denver.
Philadelphia WRs Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown -- Not enough room for all the receivers in Philadelphia.
These are some names. There will be plenty more. And usually there are some stunners.
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Oh, Holy Hell in Oakland... they've got a fight between Garcia, Gradkowski & Frye! And people say we haven't made any progress!
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
Gradkowski and Frye as you backups? Why would they get rid of Garcia?
Why do the Raiders do anything though.
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Ben Watson is the name that intrigues me on that list. good blocker and a good pass catcher he would be our #1 TE from the get go.
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Gradkowski and Frye as you backups? Why would they get rid of Garcia?
Why do the Raiders do anything though.
Frye beat out DA and BQ when Frye was here. They had a competition and Frye won. Sad that the Browns still have those 2 as their top guns. You'd think if Frye could beat them out they'd know that they need someone new.
By the way. Garcia got cut. Frye and Grad are Russell's backups in OAK.
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Frye did TECHNICALLY beat out both DA and BQ... but really Quinn didn't compete b/c of his hold out...
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I don't know if they're upgrades, but these are the guys I've heard of, have starting experience, and are available:
Kirk Chambers
Tony Pashos
Damion McIntosh
LJ Shelton
Also available is rookie (Packers' 5th rd pick), Jamon Meredith. Deepthreat seems to like him. I don't know a thing about him except that he played at South Carolina, but a 5th round pick must have something going for him. The Packers must be deep at OL, because they traded Tony Moll to the Ravens yesterday.
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we drafted a lineman in the 4th round in Isaac Sowells... where they were drafted means nothing.. lol. 
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link OL Trautwein claimed. RT. also cedric peerman from ravens. RB. twitter.
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