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"Do you really think the media hates Mangini simply because he doesn't give out a lot of info, or that he stopped the leaks?"
Proof is in the pudding...hey, these guys make a living covering the Browns. They got so use to the easy life and coming in a room with RAC mostly but sometimes Savage and would get a blah, blah, blah session that would fill up their colums for a around a week...what a life. By their own account they would all sit around having beers talking about the Browns, waiting for the Pow Wow sessions.
All of a sudden Mangini n Kokinis locked themselves up and got to work putting this team together. They chose to cut out the Media stuff. Instead of digging and doing their job and getting Brown's news they would fill their columns with hate monger bs against Mangini...almost the entire off season! Meanwhile reporters from other media sources would break news regarding the Browns instead of the local crew.
The Press is a powerful tool - I hate seeing it misused. Can't believe we are back in the age of Yellow Journalism...all that work to have us come full circle to that time.
JMHO
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Who really cares if the media hates Mangini? I used to know a fellow who was drafted by the Browns under Paul Brown. His description of interpersonal relationships with his players was colorful to say the least. He'd call Brown everything but a milk cow and in the same stream of thought praise him as the finest coach he ever knew.
I'm not comparing Mangini to Brown. What I'm saying is I don't care if he has a pitchfork and bifurcated tail as long as he wins games.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
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I don't see the parrallell between what Jeannie did and your situation ... or Tulsas for that matter ..
in what U overheard .. if John the VP asked for volunteers .. then you'd have at least a bit of a correlation to what Jeannie did .. but seeing as how John the VP ASKED NO ONE .. wheres even the small part of the correlation?? ..
and ... the folks in yours and Tulsa's example ALL READY WORK THERE .. these guys other than Mack/Robo/Mass and Venuike (who are pretty much assured jobs .. ) .. there in the INTERVIEW PROCCESS .. that changes the entire scenario ...
I do not see the correlation at all .. well other than it involves charity
Sorry it wasn't a perfectly parallel example...  My life experiences are limited to... well, my life. people care what the boss thinks, people will participate if the boss is participating or if the boss expects them to participate...
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j/c no real new points made that people here haven't already but at least someone in the media shares a similar viewpoint. Quote:
The Mangini Road Trip
This past weekend, Cleveland Browns rookies were asked to take a road trip by head coach Eric Mangini — a 10-hour bus trip — to work his charity football camp in Hartford, Conn. It’s a story that’s continuing to drive national sports news. Today, I hope to make it clear that as a rookie you don’t have many options — whether it’s fair or not.
Hitting the Road
Look, I think we can all agree that taking a 10-hour bus ride is no fun. Brutal might be a better word to describe it.
But that’s exactly what the Browns’ rookies did last weekend when they were asked by Mangini to go to a “voluntary” football camp — and we all know what “voluntary” means as an NFL rookie. Basically, get your butt on the bus if you want to be on my team.
Is it fair? Is it right? Absolutely not, folks. But if you’re a rookie, you don’t have an opinion, you don’t have a voice and you definitely don’t have a lot of choices when the head coach asks you to work at a charity football camp.
Now, I don’t know if there were no available seats on a plane, or if Mangini was just trying to see how his rookies would react (more likely the latter), but I can tell you that’s just how it is for a rookie at this level.
And it really isn’t up to the media to decide if this was the right thing to do because it is, in fact, Mangini’s football team.
And because of that, if I’m one of those Browns rookies, I shut my mouth, get on the bus and do what the boss says — if I want to play for that team. No, it’s probably not the best way to treat a young player trying to make a living playing football, but do we really feel sorry for these rookies because they had to make take a bus trip at the “request” of the head coach?
I don’t, and I’m going to tell you why.
The Rookie
As a rookie in this league — especially when you haven’t even made the team — it’s best to just do what you’re told.
During my first season in St. Louis, my rookie counterparts and I did a multiple of charity events that summer in which fans came out, asked where Marshall Faulk was and tried to figure out if I was a player or a member of the team’s marketing department. Sure, I got tired of it about 10 minutes into my first event, but they did serve a purpose to the community, and I was a rookie — what was I going to say?
“I don’t want to do it”?
Right, and I’m sure the first thing coach Mike Martz would have heard was how one of his rookies who was trying to make the team refused to do something he was asked. I can tell you this, my journalism degree from Iowa would have been put to use pretty quickly while I put together my resume after the Rams saw a rookie making his own rules.
Unfortunately, that’s just how it is for rookies, and these young players in Cleveland haven’t even been through their first training camp practice — where it will get a lot worse.
I don’t know what Mangini was thinking chartering a bus and making his rookies settle in for 20 hours on the road, and this story will continue to draw national attention. People will talk about “hazing” and all of that other nonsense — which they have every right to do.
But Mangini is the boss, and the rookies in Cleveland are just going to have to get used to that — if they want to make that team.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/06/the-mangini-road-trip/
ultimately, this is a non-story for a deadzone in the nfl calendar. it just so happens they can play the angle that this is mangini, who is a bill wannabe, blah blah.
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J/C Anybody know if they drove the NY Thruway or I-80? I'm saving all judgment on Mangini until I know this important fact!  Unbelievable that people are passing judgment on Mangini based on anything he has done up to this point. The team hasn't played a game yet and folks are trashing him? As far as I know, Mangini is judged on one thing - and one thing only - winning football games. Aaah, such is life in the world of football when it is a year-round game.
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I'm not passing judgement on Mangini. I just don't agree that anyone with this sort of leverage over someone's career should put them in this sort of position. Hell, my dad is a manager at his place of work, and I'd disagree with him if he put his subordinates in this kind of position.
Much respect to ya, even if you wish me the opposite...
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I'm not passing judgement on Mangini. I just don't agree that anyone with this sort of leverage over someone's career should put them in this sort of position. Hell, my dad is a manager at his place of work, and I'd disagree with him if he put his subordinates in this kind of position.
So you'd disagree with your Dad if he asked someone to come in early, work late, or work on a weekend?
I don't know what "business" exists that doesn't require some overtime. I get roped into doing this kind of stuff all the time.
I'm sure anyone with a good excuse (family wedding,etc) would have been able to opt out without consequence.
It's the nature of being the "new guy". You're expected to be available and to work harder than everyone else.
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And if I had the chance to make a living playing a GAME, I'd damn sure do whatever the boss asked of me so long as it wasn't illegal or didn't cross my moral and ethical boundaries.
As you said, this stuff happens all of the time. I own my own business so I don't directly report to anyone except for my clients - who ask me to do stuff I don't want to do quite often. I still do it with a smile on my face because I know that is how I get paid. I donate to all of the corporate causes, just as employees of the companies I consult for do. It's something very simple, just like this trip, and it makes you look good. No brainer IMO.
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Even though I agree with ya, Browns fans are funny, last fall all we heard was RAC is to nice to his players, RAC needs to kick some tail, yell a few times throw something ect, Now fans & media are complaing Mangini is not nice....Reminds me of the person who complains all winter thier cold and than in the summer turns down the AC to 50 in thier house, tyo me something just dosent make sence here.
Bottom line I just want one thing out of Mangini.....WINS...WINS & MORE WINS.....I dont care how he does it legally, if he does it smiling or frowning, if he does it in a suit or naked, if he does it in a hat or if he does it with his cat, I dont care if he talks to the media or if he dosent I dont care if he shakes his opponents hands after games or heads into the locker room, I dont care if he wears a NY yankee hats......get the pitcure....JUST WIN........JUST WIN.
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Let me clarify my position for you.
I feel kind of weird bringing up my dad on a message board. I'm just trying to drive home the point that I don't think Mangini's ACTIONS regarding this issue were correct. I respect my dad, but if he did something like this, I would have a problem with it. I was just trying to make it clear that my disapproval of Mangin's handling of this event has nothing to do with my opinion of him as a coach or a person. I just think it was a bad decision on his part.
3 days of volunteer work is not the same as working late, working weekends, and working overtime.
I'd have no problem with my dad asking someone to work late, work a weekend, or work overtime. Everyone has to do this at some point.
But, if he asked an employee to pick up trash on the side of the highway on Sunday afternoon , I'd have a problem with that. Volunteer or charity work is supposed to be voluntary, not forced. He puts that employee in a position where they can't say no, as they don't want to lose favor with the boss.
I have no problem with Mangini giving back to his former community. But, it's wrong to force others to give back to that same community. I bet a lot of these rookies have people closer to their home, or people in Cleveland, that they would rather help out than people in some east coast community they've never even heard of.
Much respect to ya, even if you wish me the opposite...
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after the browns win the super bowl this year. , next summer every team will be taking 10 hour bus trips. one day, the 10 hour bus trip will become an integeral part of training camps, as wel as the combine. a new statistic .you will hear questions like, 'how did he do ont the 10 hour bus trip.?'I t will become known as the mangini test.
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