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Per ESPN, the Giants have released Plaxico Burress!!!!
I wonder what that does for the trade rumors of BE to NYC??
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I'm willing to put money on Braylon taking over the #17 jersey in NY.
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You know, if I'm Plax and I am fearful for my safety if I go out to a NY club, I don't go clubbin', and stay the hell home. Stupid dummy. But that ain't my problem... I have mixed feelings about trading Braylon. What if we dump him and he blossoms... you know, learns to catch the ball with consistency?  Even if the worlds doesn't believe he'll be a Brown in 2010 (although as others have stated, worse case scenario is we tag him next off-season), I'm gonna want a boatload coming back this way... he scored 16 TD in 2007 and can be a huge impact player. I wonder what Giants fans are saying about the possibility of getting Edwards? and beyond that, what are we gonna do about WR? Are we gonna get da Crab? 
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Wow. I didn't see that coming. I bet Braylon isn't a Brown much longer.  If he is traded I have no clue where that leads us. I really don't want Crabtree at 5. Something tells me the next 3 weeks will be very interesting around here!
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This is great news for us, as it makes the giants more desperate for a big physical WR...which there are few in the draft.
Really I would be happy with a WR and a first round pick 29. Like Hixon and their first of preferably the Eagles Reggie Brown and their 21.
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Wow. I didn't see that coming. I bet Braylon isn't a Brown much longer.
If he is traded I have no clue where that leads us. I really don't want Crabtree at 5. Something tells me the next 3 weeks will be very interesting around here!
Edwards won't be traded till draft day as we try to trump up his value as much as possible. Honestly, best case scenario is if we can get the Eagles and Giants in a bidding war
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i'm in the same boat as you are. the biggest thing that i'm worried about is, if he goes to NYG, every game is like a MNF game to him, and he'll have a huge year. that would just make us look outright foolish. i really would like to think that he can bounceback this year, then the fans will embrace him again, then he can be reassured that he's the "centerpiece" of the receiving game (he had the share the spotlight with winslow before), and then given a new contract. whether that's possible at this point, given how he was treated by a handful of idiot fans, i don't know.
as far as the NYG fans, the one post that had the link to the online paper saying it was a 2, a 5, and a player, all the comments below were all very positive of edwards and they wanted him. if i'm a NYG fan, i want him too. he's just like plax, with similar size, jumping, really, you wouldn't expect the giants to miss a beat with edwards. i would understand he had a bad year because he played for a terrible browns team. simple as that. given their needs, as a NYG fan, i wouldn't raise a stink about giving a 1st and another pick.
the next issue, though, is you can make the argument as a browns fan that they're hardly giving DA/quinn (especially quinn) a decent receiving corp to work with. you can then get really frustrated that quinn, if he's the starter, never had a chance to shine, that he lost his first weapon (winslow), then lost the next one in edwards, he doesn't even have stallworth, and is then throwing to david patten and a rookie. wouldn't expect much of a performance from either qb if that's the case...
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I have no idea why such a rush to dump Braylon.. I mean, if we had something better as a go to guy, then fine. But we don't. And even if we snap up Craptree in the draft,, is he really ready to take the number 1 spot from day one.. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't,, you wanna take that chance?
I don't. I'd rather hang on to BE.. At least until we know we have adaquate replacements..
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I have no idea why such a rush to dump Braylon.. I mean, if we had something better as a go to guy, then fine. But we don't. And even if we snap up Craptree in the draft,, is he really ready to take the number 1 spot from day one.. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't,, you wanna take that chance?
I don't. I'd rather hang on to BE.. At least until we know we have adaquate replacements..
Why not hang on AND take Crabtree,...?
The thing is, WE DON'T KNOW what The Master Plan is. I am just not as worried about stopping anyone as I am about scoring points, running the ball and controlling the clock (all things that help the defense by default,..). I say we jump all over the BPA OLineman available, and if not, and Curry and Jenkins are not "valid" considerations, I'm just going to quit guessing until Draft Day and it's announced over the mike,..."The Cleveland Browns,...
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I have mixed feelings about trading Braylon. What if we dump him and he blossoms... you know, learns to catch the ball with consistency?
He very well might.......but IMO a good deal of that is attitude. Just because it could happen in NY doesn't mean the same thing would happen here.
I think I would rather pick up some picks and allow Mangini to build the team he wants, with the parts he wants. It puts us one step closer to a judgment day on him...which is a good thing.
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I really hope that they are true. We could really benefit with a trade for some offensive help ourselves and some picks or a combination. What is it worth. Also, glad the the Plax gets to make trax. Hope the NFL makes some noise a few thuggish types can hear and just bars them. The Bigs. A job, an adventure, a privilege! Send us something good as we shape up the locker room. 
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Yes, the "Dump-Then-Blossom" thing always seems to haunt the Browns. I don't sweat it anymore. It's why I don't like FA's in the first place. We don't seem to have good luck with them.
I'm talking a string of years with playoff appearances,....not nickle and dime Jamal-Lewis-Gets-A-Thousand-Yards here and there's,....
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Yes, the "Dump-Then-Blossom" thing always seems to haunt the Browns. I don't sweat it anymore. It's why I don't like FA's in the first place. We don't seem to have good luck with them.
I'm talking a string of years with playoff appearances,....not nickle and dime Jamal-Lewis-Gets-A-Thousand-Yards here and there's,....
I can see your point, but it's been a good while since we were one FA away from a string of playoff appearances, and we took Rison then 
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You know, if I'm Plax and I am fearful for my safety if I go out to a NY club, I don't go clubbin', and stay the hell home. Stupid dummy.
Personally, if your a professional athlete, this should be your attitude even BEFORE something happens. There isn't one good thing that can happen to somebody famous in a night club at 2 in the morning.
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Yes, the "Dump-Then-Blossom" thing always seems to haunt the Browns. I don't sweat it anymore. It's why I don't like FA's in the first place. We don't seem to have good luck with them.
I'm talking a string of years with playoff appearances,....not nickle and dime Jamal-Lewis-Gets-A-Thousand-Yards here and there's,....
I can see your point, but it's been a good while since we were one FA away from a string of playoff appearances, and we took Rison then
Hah ! My point exactly,...  Year after nonplayoff year, if you're only one FA away, there's something else wrong. 
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Didn't Denver just pick up an extra first?
Denver already has a #1 WR who struggles with holding onto the ball. Though, he's probably pretty upset that Cutler is gone because Jay would just keep chucking it at him until one stuck (remember the Broncos game where he threw it 3 straight times at him and finally got the TD).
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Agreed... If you're going to hire the coach, give him the rope to hang himself. You trusted him with the keys, let the man drive... Ok, no more metaphors.
Edwards has the talent to be a top 5 WR in this league. I would argue HOF talent. HOWEVER, I'd trade him for a pick in the top 40 + a 2nd tier WR. The man has no desire to be here. He's big city. The man is all about image. Let him have it. There is ZERO chance of him staying here next year after his contract is up. Get something for him while you can.
If this draft is truly deep in WR, give me another 2nd and a John Taylor type WR in return and he's yours. Take a WR with one of our 2s and I'm good.
Remember, when Mangini was with NE, they were winning championships with a bunch of "no-name" WRs. I doubt he'll have patience for a "me-first" WR here.
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There is ZERO chance of him staying here next year after his contract is up. Get something for him while you can.
For arguments sake, let's say he stays with us, has a above average to great year and then leaves as a free agent to NY. Won't we get a compensatory pick in the 2010 draft (a late 3rd rounder)?
If that's true, then we have to debate getting a 2nd and a player or a years worth of Braylon and a late 3rd. Which is more valuable?
I'd lean towards keeping him. If he has a bounceback year, we can franchise him and then trade him for the moon. If he stinks.....then all we lost out on was a late 2nd (probably from the Giants). Even then, we'd still get a compensatory pick.
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J/C I still don't understand some fans. They want to dump Edwards, and use the fact that he is a top NFL reciever to prove he has trade value. Why in the world would you trade him if he's that good? Because you don't like him? Because he wants out?. If we keep him this year, a contract year in that, we could franchise him next year and be sure to get at least a 1st rounder for him. But many think dumping him for a second or third round pick is smart because he dropped a lot of balls last year. Many forget he was overthrown to many times too, so even though he was having a bad year, it wasn't all his fault. Many think if we trade him we can draft a guy like Crabtree. Sounds good right? Well Edwards sounded real good too. Rookie recievers very rarely make a splash their rookie season. I for one don't want a rookie being our #1 reciever. Ooh Rah says he don't like the FA thing, but is up for trading someone we drafted. How do you build thru the draft when you dump a productive draft pick after three years.  I'm sure many here would do the same thing if Thomas had a bad year. As a matter of fact throughout the season there were times that he was questioned, I couldn't believe it. I'm glad that the fans no longer can influence the GM and the coach. To build a team you have to keep the parts long enough to build a good foundation. If Edwards doesn't resign next year, that's his choice, but dumping a legit #1 with the thought of replacing him with a rookie is assinine. Crabtree could easily bust just as many think Edwards has. Other teams see him as a true talent and a valuble asset to have, too bad our fans are blind. Well maybe not blind, but not thinking rationally. I hated every drop he had last year. I even think he was the cause of a few losses, but it was a team thing IMO not just him or DA as many make it out to be. But I and everyone else have seen what he can do, and it is a rare talent that he has. I say keep him, he'll recover and most of us will be happy when he does.
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True. I'd love to keep Edwards and have him excel as a Brown. But, do you truly see him here in 5 years? If that answer is yes, then great, I want him on the team. Unfortunately, I think he's decided that he's "hated" here, because he's from MI (a load of crap, by the way... how many #17 jerseys are in the stands every week?)
I'd rather control what we can get from him now, rather than depend on a convoluted equation that determines our compensatory pick 2 years from now. I'm also not sure how (or if) compensatory picks will work in the "new" CBA...
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It would also depend on who we signed in Free Agency.
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I'd rather control what we can get from him now, rather than depend on a convoluted equation that determines our compensatory pick 2 years from now. I'm also not sure how (or if) compensatory picks will work in the "new" CBA...
And who do we throw the ball to................
I do believe that Braylon will be better this year than last year. And Stallworth isn't an option anymore. Who are we going to when we pass, Rucker, Steptoe, Hubbard, and Heiden?
Braylon for the next two years is a much better call than a 2nd round pick to me.
Do I believe he'll re-sign here no matter how he does? Probably not. But with improvement in Braylon's play next year, we could very well get an even better pick for him. If not........too bad.
We lose Braylon and I think our offense takes a big hit next year. Trading Winslow was fine, it made sense. And I like Winslow a lot. I hope he does well in Tampa. But Braylon is going into his fourth year in the NFL, he's got talent up the wazoo and he is better than what we saw last year.
I'm definitely willing to take that bet. Without a first rounder, I don't want to trade Braylon
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I am definitely not promoting a WR corps of Steptoe, Patten and Hubbard as something special. My point is that I don't want to just see Edwards walk for nothing. And my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that there there is no franchise tag next year, so when BE's contract is up, he's as good as gone.
We aren't winning the SB this year, so at least get another piece for when we do make a run.
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Well I don't think the Giants release their "best" WR w/ out plans to replace him.. sooo... I guess it could lead to more speculation about trade rumors in regards to Braylon Edwards....
I'd rather keep Edwards, but it is what it is.. One monkey don't stop no show...
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But with improvement in Braylon's play next year, we could very well get an even better pick for him.
But aren't you assuming he is going to get better? What if he gets worse? Then nobody wants to give up anything for him?
Look if we can get a first round + a player or more picks then he's gone. If not I hope he plays better next year.
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I hope we do 2 things going into this season. Keep Braylon and Brady.
Our WR corps is pretty much garbage, and trading Edwards would make it a laughingstock. And while I'm all for drafting a WR, I much rather know what I'm getting than delve into the unknown.
I KNOW what we have in Edwards, and picking up a solid WR would complement him. Let him learn, but I can't imagine going into the season with Patten, Steptoe, Sanders, Cribbs and a rookie..... and no Winslow, but a TE who has done less in an entire career than Winslow did in one season.
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I'd love to see the new regime trade Edwards to the Giants for DL and/or draft picks.
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Braylon isn't the only option out there for the G Men. I think they will make a play for Boldin off the back of his issues with the Cardinals last year. There could also be the possibility of a trade up for the G Men to take Crabtree?
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A trade up would be pretty hard as they are pretty low in in round. When teams trade down from a high pick, they usually don't like to drop that far down.
They are probably more interested in signing a young veteran such as Boldin or Edwards.
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Burress rejected a chance to stay
Plaxico Burress was given one last chance to salvage his career with the Giants, but he refused to sign a new contract the team offered him before his arbitration hearing last week.
According to two sources familiar with the situation, the Giants - - in an attempt to settle their arbitration case with the troubled receiver - - offered the 31-year-old Burress a new deal that would’ve given him the chance to remain with the team at least through the 2009 season. The new deal would’ve nullified the rest of the five-year, $35 million contract he signed in September and would’ve kept the two sides out of arbitration.
Burress and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, flatly rejected the offer, as they had all attempts by the Giants to settle, sources said.
Rosenhaus did not immediately return a call and e-mails seeking comment, and it’s not clear exactly what the terms of the offer were. It was likely much less than the $11.5 million in salaries Burress was due over the next four years under his current deal.
The Giants, according to one team source, took his refusal to accept their offer as yet another sign of Burress’ refusal to change and to work with the team to return under their terms. As a result, the arbitration hearing over the $1 million payment the Giants’ withheld and the status of all the future escalators and bonuses in Burress’ contract, took place as scheduled on Wednesday morning.
Two days later, Burress was cut. web page ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The above is logical. The Gmen wanted him to re-structure in light of his criminal case and he and his agent said no so they kicked him to the curb. Carry on with the Braylon Edwards speculation now. 
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I am definitely not promoting a WR corps of Steptoe, Patten and Hubbard as something special. My point is that I don't want to just see Edwards walk for nothing. And my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that there there is no franchise tag next year, so when BE's contract is up, he's as good as gone.
We aren't winning the SB this year, so at least get another piece for when we do make a run.
I'm on board with this opinion. And.....
Hubbard has talent,he just needs to prove himself. Also there are a few FAs available to fill in until the young guys develop. I'm ASSuming that the Browns will draft a WR if Edwards is moved.
Tory Holt and Marvin Harrison are still available??
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