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Most interesting take I have read . The author made me think a little about why the importance of the African word that so many of "us" don't understand. The last two sentences however sum up all of my feelings on the matter. Why African-American does not apply to me. Hold the Hyphen Why African-American does not apply to me. jennifer.mabry I have never been to Africa. And for most black Americans, any connection to Africa is tenuous. We should not be spending time and energy trying to create links that no longer exist. I’m American. Period. <p>Why African-American does not apply to me.</p> 02/10/2009 07:35 Black Americans can bask in the glow of a newfound progressiveness this Black History Month. And our first black president also happens to be our first African-American president. Black and African-American—I can’t help dwelling on those two descriptors and the weight they carry in defining us. I’m brown, thank you. But I’ll settle for black. It’s more than semantics. It’s semasiology. Once upon a time, we were niggers, coloreds, Negroes and then Afro-Americans. And so I understand the need for some blacks to refer to themselves as African-American, sort of. They want to feel connected to a population reflected in their own faces. In America, racism is like a water spot on silverware at a cheap diner; it just won’t go away. And just when you think you can breathe a little, the three-headed monster rears its ugly head to remind you who you are, where you live and the inescapable reality of what your skin color represents in this society. Black people have shaped the United States through culture and science and the civil rights movement––yet as an aggregate we still face more injustice and inequality than any other group of Americans. As a nation, as a people and as a society we’ve come a long way, but in terms of racial equality there is much left to do. I am constantly searching for answers as to how my café-au-lait self fits into an overwhelmingly white world. But the use of the word African conjoined with American leaves me empty. There are 54 countries in Africa. Which one would be mine? I have a friend whose father is Nigerian and mother is black American, which makes her literally African-American. But she refers to herself as black. I’m American. Period. I’ve never been to Africa. I hope to visit one day, but I also want to visit Europe. Not because I have the blood of English, Irish and Scots running through my veins, but because I’m interested in traveling to new places, seeing and experiencing new cultures and people. Most black Americans are of mixed-race heritage, which manifests itself in different ways in our external appearance. Some of us are light enough that we look white; others dark as coal. But we are Americans. I know as much about Africa as I do the metric system, the Euro or the discord in Gaza. What I do know is that Africa, like America, has its challenges related to race and ethnicity, politics, economics and education. Rwanda is still working through the effects of the 2004 genocide; civil wars rage in Congo, Darfur and Sudan; Malaria and AIDS are robbing babies of their lives, and in 28 countries, genital mutilation of young women is considered an acceptable practice. And for black Americans, it is disheartening that for most of us the trail back to Africa goes cold at a plantation or tenant farm somewhere in the American South. Beyond that we can only speculate about which country, which tribe or which language we might have been linked to if the transatlantic slave trade had never happened. But we will never really know. Rather than romanticize over DNA tests, we should step back and take stock of the richness of life that our ancestors created for us on this continent. All of it was built from nothing but their blood, sweat and determination to overcome horrific circumstances. There is nowhere to go back to. Our home is here. It’s called America, and we are Americans.
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I've always viewed it as a needless term created out of white guilt.
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I get that also but never could get why so many Black folks held onto that term so hard.
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I think the article does an alright job of offering up an explanation...it was something other than black, colored, negro, etc. I can imagine wanting out of that cycle...
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I hardly ever use the term. Except for in Obama's case. He is truly African-American.
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I have never been to Africa. And for most black Americans, any connection to Africa is tenuous. We should not be spending time and energy trying to create links that no longer exist. I’m American. Period.
I'm of Italian decent,, yet I've never been to Italy....so what.
Someone is overthinking this whole thing way too much. too much time on her hands 
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Someone is overthinking this whole thing way too much.
As I've said...I think the term is stupid.
But there is a lot to think about...if I was black, I probably would've spent a great deal of my adolescence and early adulthood trying to escape who I was (heck, that's not just a racial thing in this country)...I may have very well embraced a stupid term so long as it didn't mean I was black or colored or a n...
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You mean I can stop saying I'm German-English-Dutch-Irish-Hillbilly American now? 
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No, the hillbilly sticks whether you want to leave it behind or not  Also, I agree with what the lady is saying. We've kept up a portion of segregation of all peoples by compartmentalizing everyone into neat tupperware containers. It's time everyone in this country started realizing that color, descent, age, etc means nothing; we're all Americans. The rest doesn't matter.
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Who Cares if she does not like it!!!.. That is her opinion and her right! She can use what ever term she describes herself as! This hyphen stuff always comes up when its African-American but when its Italian, Polish, Jewish, Irish, Greek, or whatever, no one chirps a bit! You could use her "opinion" and put in any of the listed nationalities I just listed.
So what if the author or you do not like it, call me when you say the same thing on March 17th!..
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This hyphen stuff always comes up when its African-American but when its Italian, Polish, Jewish, Irish, Greek, or whatever, no one chirps a bit!
How often to you see those others? 
And Italy, Poland, Israel, Ireland and Greece are countries... Africa is a continent of about 50 different nations.. How often to do you European-American?
I see Jewish-American a bit I suppose, but that's usually referencing a religion and a nationality, not a mixture of nationalities..
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You will have to travel up North a bit more to see that. OR when you lived here and if you went to Bmore, you would see it there also!
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I just call them Africans....just like I say the Italian over there...the Jew...The Mexican..The Oriental...the Indian...the Arab...The Polish looking dude...well...I use another term.....The Mick for Irish...the Hippie...the Redneck looking guy...the yuppie....I won't even get in to what I use to describe females;)
Point is....no disrespect is intended...we are all something....and Americans first and foremost...I think anyway.
Too many people worry about what people call them...if you are worth a salt, you will soon be called friend.
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Who Cares if she does not like it!!!.. That is her opinion and her right! She can use what ever term she describes herself as! This hyphen stuff always comes up when its African-American but when its Italian, Polish, Jewish, Irish, Greek, or whatever, no one chirps a bit! You could use her "opinion" and put in any of the listed nationalities I just listed.
So what if the author or you do not like it, call me when you say the same thing on March 17th!..
I been fighting this fight against the "haters" on here for a LONG time.
It's my right to define MY identity as I see fit. It's not anybody else's right to discredit it because they don't understand it.
Stop crying about things you have no control over people! It's not your concern. Find something else to whine about!
(BTW, that wasn't at you DogNDC)
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I always wondered something about being "American" Is that United States of "American" or North "'American"?
People act like the term America is only in one place...hell, it's the name of TWO continents. So are Canadians also Americans...since they're North American? Are Brazillians also Americans since they're South American?
Just something to ponder when you call yourself American, or don't call yourself American...or whatever!
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I have said that myself.....but in the end, we both know what we mean when we say that......United States.
Come on man.....I thought we had reached a common ground??? You might argue that sort of thing with others, but don't do it with me....it is somewhat insulting to be honest, even though my hope is you weren't trying to be.
You want to have a honest friend to friend, man to man conversation, we can....if not....take it somewhere else and we can pick it up another time when the mood is right.
Fair???
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@ ndu: Good to see U again, knucklehead - welcome home!    @ DognDC - long time no rap! Now, to the topic: I won't crucify the young lady for her thoughts - while her opening point has some validity, she should know better than to try and make it an all-encompassing one, particularly since she describes herself as "my café-au-lait self". GMAFB  In the end, the article is HER opinion. Opinions are like a-holes, well, U know the rest... Looking a little deeper, her writing speaks a little to the disillusionment that Black folks have dealt with over the years - referencing her complexion tells me as much. And it is that disillusionment that has led to the labeling that she apparently loathes. Again, I won't lose a wink of sleep over it. My grandaddy told me once, "Boy, it ain't what they call ya, it's what ya answer to."
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It has been a long time.. how have ya been?? AND Ndutyme, I knew what you meant 
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People act like the term America is only in one place...hell, it's the name of TWO continents. So are Canadians also Americans...since they're North American? Are Brazillians also Americans since they're South American?
Most people define their heritage, their nationality by the NATION in which they live and in which their ancestors live.... the only difference is Africa. That's why "American" refers to a nation and not a continent... Thats why you would hear, "I'm Brazillian and my ancestors were from Spain." Not, "I'm South American and my ancestors were from Europe."
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People act like the term America is only in one place...hell, it's the name of TWO continents. So are Canadians also Americans...since they're North American? Are Brazillians also Americans since they're South American?
Most people define their heritage, their nationality by the NATION in which they live and in which their ancestors live.... the only difference is Africa. That's why "American" refers to a nation and not a continent... Thats why you would hear, "I'm Brazillian and my ancestors were from Spain." Not, "I'm South American and my ancestors were from Europe."
In the end, if someone chooses to identify themselves that way, who are you or I to say that they're wrong.
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It has been a long time.. how have ya been?? AND Ndutyme, I knew what you meant
I knew someone would...that last thing I expected was for someone to get insulted.
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Good to be home, now I can return to upsetting the natural order of the board!
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I have said that myself.....but in the end, we both know what we mean when we say that......United States.
Come on man.....I thought we had reached a common ground??? You might argue that sort of thing with others, but don't do it with me....it is somewhat insulting to be honest, even though my hope is you weren't trying to be.
You want to have a honest friend to friend, man to man conversation, we can....if not....take it somewhere else and we can pick it up another time when the mood is right.
Fair???
I have no idea what you're so bent out of shape about, not sure if I really care, but the same goes for you. You can take that attitude somewhere else as well, or if you want to discuss it...I'm all fingers!
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In the end, if someone chooses to identify themselves that way, who are you or I to say that they're wrong.
I don't say they are wrong I just said I don't understand it.... And if I know you and I know you prefer to be identified one way or the other, then I'll do that. (Not sure why I would because if I knew you I'd probably just call you by your name... and not "that African-American guy" or "that black guy".. ) but if I don't know you and I have reason to identify your race, don't get bent out of shape if I use one different than the one you prefer.. deal?
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Most people define their heritage, their nationality by the NATION in which they live and in which their ancestors live.... the only difference is Africa.
The only thing is,most African-Americans do not know their heritage. They were stripped of it when they were loaded on a boat and brought here as slaves. Most do not know if their people came from Kenya,or Zimbabwe,or whatever other African nation sold slaves to the European traders.
In the end it is just words, if someone wants to call themselves African American,who cares?
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Why is it I never heard the term African-Canadian, or African-Mexican 
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I just find it funny how the thread starter posts this article to start another race fight.. I have been a lurker for years (and on the old board) and the thread starter is always looking for a reason to argue against blacks or the black culture. And please don’t say something like” I posted the article because it was informative to me and I wanted to share” We all know that is bull. I am just stated the obvious and now I will go back lurking the boards. 
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now I will go back lurking the boards.
Good idea since you obviously are unable to bring anything to the table.
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I will bite.
I have much to offer to the discussion considering I am African – American, and I can see where she is coming from however you have your views on this subject and I can bet a pretty penny that your views won’t be changed by a few people on a message boards. Can I blame you? No. Your views are coming from your experiences which could have been bad which is why you have so much negativity. My experiences have made me the man that I am.
But back on the subject… to each its own, it doesn’t matter if someone calls me black or African American, no biggie. I guess the term African American is the PC term to call black people and it’s needed so it wouldn’t seem that people are being rude. Why is it needed? I am not sure because the media will use both, black and African – American in the same sentence. The media also uses the same for white and Caucasian. Certain words invoke certain emotions from people and the media is the king and playing with viewers emotions.
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You're black and I'm white simple as that, no African-Americans here, sorry. Ire posted a topic of interest to him, and you felt the need to make an ASSumption about why he posted it. To me that makes you the Jesse Jackson of the message board. Did this topic bother you because it's the truth. You hate to agree that it's bull crap that white people have to put on rubber gloves when talking to or about black people or any minority for that reason.
Blacks, you're Americans and one of your own is president. Yes your ancestors were slaves and you had to sit in the back of the bus, but not no more. Get over it already. The minorities that are thin skinned and whiney are why there will always be a race war. Get used to it. If minorities feel the need to point it out everytime their tiny little feelings are hurt, then guess what, the problem wont go away. And for those that want to be called African-American, go back to Africa if your that proud of it. Other wise be happy your a Black American.
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I have much to offer to the discussion considering I am African – American, and I can see where she is coming from however you have your views on this subject and I can bet a pretty penny that your views won’t be changed by a few people on a message boards.
See, now that is adding something. I honestly posted the article because believe it or not there was a smigen of insight into the use of the term African- American that I had previously not thought of ( even though maybe I should have ). Yes, I knew that this had the potential to become another one of "these" arguments yet I posted anyway . As for my views ? To be honest even though I may not whole heartedly agree or completely understand the usage it really means nothing to me .
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I have never been to Africa. And for most black Americans, any connection to Africa is tenuous. We should not be spending time and energy trying to create links that no longer exist. I’m American. Period.
I'm of Italian decent,, yet I've never been to Italy....so what.
Someone is overthinking this whole thing way too much. too much time on her hands
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In the end, if someone chooses to identify themselves that way, who are you or I to say that they're wrong.
You can "identify yourself" as anything you wish. However, if you were born in the U.S. and your parents were born in the U.S, I will define you as "American".
I have rights too. You are not from Africa. So if you're parents weren't from Africa?
You're an American. Pretty simple really. But nah, let's keep perpetuating some "seperatist term". Because that's all you're "really" doing. Trying to seperate your race from others. You can't use seperatist terms, isolating yourself by a vague, pretty much useless terms, then turn around and expect others to help you dignify it.
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This discussion comes up frequently. No one really changes their opinion. I really don't have one, to be honest, but I do have something to say (imagine that). Ndutyme, DogNdc, and anyone else, please take this as genuine. I don't understand why the term is used or preferred. What makes you, or anyone, want to use the term? I truly don't understand and want to. If you could all educate me on this, I would appreciate it I may never truly understand, but at least I will know the reasoning behind it. Right now, I don't and I don't want to draw conclusions instead of understanding (ok, ndutyme, pick yourself up off the floor and hit reply ) Perhaps others that are voicing their dissent would at least see the point even if they don't agree with it.
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You're black and I'm white simple as that, no African-Americans here, sorry. Ire posted a topic of interest to him, and you felt the need to make an ASSumption about why he posted it. To me that makes you the Jesse Jackson of the message board. Did this topic bother you because it's the truth. You hate to agree that it's bull crap that white people have to put on rubber gloves when talking to or about black people or any minority for that reason.
Blacks, you're Americans and one of your own is president. Yes your ancestors were slaves and you had to sit in the back of the bus, but not no more. Get over it already. The minorities that are thin skinned and whiney are why there will always be a race war. Get used to it. If minorities feel the need to point it out everytime their tiny little feelings are hurt, then guess what, the problem wont go away. And for those that want to be called African-American, go back to Africa if your that proud of it. Other wise be happy your a Black American.
Ahhh there is no ASSumptions on my part, I just know what I have read from certain posters on this board, peoples past actions can sometime predict their future actions and responses. If I make negative comments for the past 2 years on how Ford cars, and then decide one day to post a lack-luster article on Ford cars.. How does that make me look? In my eyes it looks like I’m a troll.
The topic has nothing to do with offending me, like I said this a pointless argument/discussion in my eyes because race is like politics and religion no one will ever budge on their views and in the end it just turns ugly and people get upset.
I don’t have the views of Jesse Jackson, I like to believe that we are all equal, and racism doesn’t exist however I know first hand it’s not true. It’s not about getting over it, As a man, if you are treated wrong how would you feel? Would you complain to deaf ears? Will you just suck it up? Will you become bitter? What would you do? I have a different perspective on things because I have went through things that are racist but are my views right or wrong?.. You have different views and you could have went through racism, does that make you right or wrong?
When everyone is on the same playing field and people are treated equal then that is when black people will be “over it.” The people who racist and go out of their way to belittle and disrespect others are the reason why there will be a race war..(I think its funny how you are blaming minorties lol)
I am not sure where you work but in EVERY meeting I am in they don’t refer to people as white and black they refer to them as African- American and Caucasian. Maybe it’s because I am black and they don’t want to offend me or its just the PC thing to do.. who knows. What I do know in corparate world they don't talk like that.
And I speak for me and only me because some other black/ African- American person might have completely different views.
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This discussion comes up frequently. No one really changes their opinion. I really don't have one, to be honest, but I do have something to say (imagine that). Ndutyme, DogNdc, and anyone else, please take this as genuine. I don't understand why the term is used or preferred. What makes you, or anyone, want to use the term? I truly don't understand and want to. If you could all educate me on this, I would appreciate it I may never truly understand, but at least I will know the reasoning behind it. Right now, I don't and I don't want to draw conclusions instead of understanding (ok, ndutyme, pick yourself up off the floor and hit reply )
Perhaps others that are voicing their dissent would at least see the point even if they don't agree with it.
I will be honest with you, I am younger and in my generation it has a different meaning then my parents and grandparents generation, so I couldn’t tell you from their perspective.
But I will tell you its offensive being called “colored”
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