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He doesn't, just as you don't know if they don't.
I can understand distrust....but that really only goes so far.
I don't think these are choir boys being held down there....but now they will soon be disposed of one way or another and see what happens.
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I doubt they're choir boys, either...like I said, it's the veiled secrecy that gets me. I never understood why we couldn't just do this the old-fashioned way, in an American courtroom with lawyers...or, if we were to take the tribunal route, to not have it carried out in secret. The fears of terrorism will cause us to do more damage to our institutions than the bad guys ever could. 
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I do understand...you have to consider they are wartime combatants...somewhat different deal....though I do know some question the wartime part.
Who knows what little tid bits of info they have been providing....maybe not knowingly.
It's a tough question to which I see both sides.
There is probably no good answer, just different answers with equal levels of validity and equal levels of peril.
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I doubt they're choir boys, either...like I said, it's the veiled secrecy that gets me. I never understood why we couldn't just do this the old-fashioned way, in an American courtroom with lawyers...or, if we were to take the tribunal route, to not have it carried out in secret.
The fears of terrorism will cause us to do more damage to our institutions than the bad guys ever could.
Well that is why Obama wants things investigated on every case... this is not a case, where he is closing Gitmo down and letting everyone go free.. He just wants to verify the merits of each case, which is what a lot of people wanted... they didn't want them to go free.. just the ones that are there for no good reason.
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"...Well that is why Obama wants things investigated on every case... this is not a case, where he is closing Gitmo down and letting everyone go free.. He just wants to verify the merits of each case, which is what a lot of people wanted... they didn't want them to go free.. just the ones that are there for no good reason. "
Yeah, I bet all the Saudis captured in Iraq were doing social work for the victims of terrorist attacks.
The most convincing element of their supposed guilt is the reality that none of the home nations want to take these clowns back to serve their time!
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Maybe I look at things just a bit too simplistically, but when I read that the defendants were against delaying proceedings because they wanted to plead GUILTY, that tends to make me believe they deserve to be there. Maybe it's just me.
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Perhaps they wanted to confess to their crimes. Perhaps they're some of the ones who have made repeated attempts on the own life...they are, after all, asking for the death penalty. Maybe they're desperate to be martyrs. Any of these ideas are hearsay...
...there's one way to know if they deserve to be there -- end the blunders of the last administration and carry out proper trials.
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I will ask you the question you used. You know this how? Again, the fact that they want to plead guilty at the very least lends credibility that they deserve to be there. If you want to ignore that, that's fine.
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It staggers the imagination that so many who don't trust the government with their tax money are content with the idea of a secretive military prison that doesn't follow standard trial law.
U wanna know what else is mind boggling dude .. well heres a few for ya ....
1. how can someone give a rats ass about trial law when your dealing with folks that flew airplanes into 3 buidings ... U gotta be kidding me ... please tell me u are .. thats assinine ..
THEY FLEW AIRPLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS ... and were suppuse to abide by TRIAL LAW, of all things .. *LOL* ... well all righty then ...
2. the gov't and the military are two seperate entities .. are u not aware of that?? ..
i have the utmost respect and trust of our military people who are GROSSLY UNDERPAID and are TRUE PUBLIC SERVANTS who go about there jobs with no noteriety .. granted sometimes they do make mistakes as there humans .. but compared to POLITICIANS even the worst folks in out military are ANGELS ...
Apples and Oranges comparision here dude ...
3. When war starts and this a war .. the WAR ON TERRORISM .. it is inevitable that INNOCENT PEOPLE GET KILLED AND DETAINED ... its gonna happen ... yet U see some grave injustice in this ... again .. WERE DEALING WITH PEOPLE THAT FLEW PLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS ...
go ask one of the Widows or Mothers or Daughters of one of the victims of 9/11 if they give a rats ass about some innocent folks being detained cause of a lack of proof while other MURDERERS are there with a lack of proof ..
I bet you'd feel a hell of alot different if one of your relatives had the mis fortune to be in one of those places ..
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but the whole idea of a clandestine system developed by the most incompetent administration in American history, a terror group themselves?
WOW .. now were the terrorists .. *LOL* ... guess i need to re access the inteligence level of who I'm chatting with here ... anyhow ..
1. The Admin did not come up with the system .. they said this is what we want done .. OUR MILITARY FOLKS then said .. OK .. this is how to achieve it .. and our military folks are far from incompetent ... as dumb as Bush was (in your opinion anyhow) at least he had the brains to listen to the best military minds in the world ..
U act like Bush and Rumsfeld came up woth how this was towork by themselves and then told the military how to do it .. *L* ..
2. a clandestine system?? are u kidding me .. its not clandestine to those who need to know .. and WERE NOT THEM ... they have a proccess that they follow .. and dude if u had any clue what so ever what goes into it and the restrictions placed on them and the hoops they have to jump through U would be ashamed of yourself for thinking like that ....
U act like they just go around and pick up a group of folks for no reason at all .. well its a tad more complicated than that .. we have sources all over the world ... we've spent years building contacts everywhere in the world ... EVERYWHERE ....
We ask our military folks to do a tough, thankless job .. how about we LEAVE THEM THE HELL ALONE AND LET THEM DO IT ...
and u know what else .. WAR IS NOT FAIR ... the fact that some want to play by rules is very very scary (it'd be funny but peoples lives are at stake and that is never funny nor should it be taken lightly .. ) ... and dude .. WHEN THEY FLEW PLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS ... well as far as my dumb ass is concerned .. FAIR flew right out the windows along with some of our citizens ...
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THEY FLEW AIRPLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS ... and were suppuse to abide by TRIAL LAW, of all things .. *LOL* ... well all righty then ...
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There's a reason we have due process.
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Don't apply due process to wartime combatants...it isn't germane. Like I said, they will all be disposed of now one way or another...and to be honest, it wouldn't bother me much if a fire broke out tonight to dispose of a few. 
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Six Gitmo detainees released
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(CNN) — Six detainees were released from the U.S. military’s detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the Department of Defense said Saturday — as the days tick down before President-elect Obama, who has pledged to close the facility, takes office.
Of the six, four of the men were transferred to Iraq, one to Algeria and one to Afghanistan, a military spokesman said.
They had each been detained at Guantanamo for “several years,” according to the military. None of them were charged with a crime.
The men were among 60 at the detention center that the United States has decided may be released. Those remaining have not yet been cleared for release as the government negotiates their return with their home countries. In all, 244 detainees remain at Guantanamo just three days before Obama is to take the oath of office. web page
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Without having all of the facts?
Peen, with all due respect, talk like that sounds like a knee-jerk, mob-like mentality that views things through red, white and blue glasses.
When did reason go out the window? You know, I can remember when the Beltway shooters got caught, and the reports came out that the 17 year-old could barely contain himself with laughter while talking about shooting a 10 year old in the back. And I thought, kill him. Just kill him right now. And that's a base human emotion we all have, that can easily morph into very irrational decisions...this is why we have the system we have. Despite my gut reaction, even that piece of scum deserves a fair trial.
And, no, I don't think war criminals are any different than street criminals. Killing someone in a robbery is an affront to both country and humanity, no less depraved than what popular lexicon describes as a 'terrorist'.
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I will ask you the question you used. You know this how? Again, the fact that they want to plead guilty at the very least lends credibility that they deserve to be there. If you want to ignore that, that's fine.
Pleading guilty in their cases is a tactic that almost certainly will lead to the detainees (pleading guilty) to be released, if they were subjected to torture by the USA.
All these detainees are being represented by lawyers including military lawyers. The lawyers know that evidence gathered by the U.S. government (CIA, FBI, Military, etc) under torture, have a good chance of their cases being dismissed, due to the use of torture tactics.
Many detainees would rather die than stay in prison, so pleading guilty serves their purpose especially if they are sentenced to death.
Even though some detainees may plead guilty, there may be a good chance they are using tactics suggested by lawyers or the detainees would rather die than stay in prison.
Some may believe we did not torture detainees...just one problem, Judge Susan J. Crawford, who was appointed the convening authority for the Guantanamo military commissions, on February 7, 2007, by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and had previously been appointed to positions by President George H. W. Bush and President Ronald Reagan. web page
Below is a good read about Judge Susan Crawford's opinion on the cases being pursued...
US judge admits torture tactics in Guantanamo
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THE official in charge of the military commission process at Guantanamo Bay has become the first senior Bush Administration figure to publicly admit that a detainee was tortured.
Judge Susan Crawford, who was in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees — beginning with Australian David Hicks — to trial, has concluded that the US military tortured a Saudi Arabian who allegedly planned to take part in the September 11, 2001, attacks.
She said Mohammed al-Qahtani was interrogated with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, public nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition".
"We tortured Qahtani," Judge Crawford said in her first interview since her appointment by Defence Secretary Robert Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case (for prosecution)."
Judge Crawford, 61, speaking in the dying days of the Bush Administration, said the combination of the interrogation techniques, their duration and the impact on Qahtani's health led to her conclusion.
President George Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney have said that interrogations never involved torture.
"The United States does not torture. It's against our laws, and it's against our values," Mr Bush asserted on September 6, 2006, when 14 detainees were transferred to Guantanamo Bay from secret CIA prisons.
In an interview last week with the Weekly Standard, Mr Cheney said: "I think on the left wing of the Democratic Party, there are some people who believe that we really tortured."
Judge Crawford, a lifelong Republican, said: "I sympathise with the intelligence gatherers in those days after 9/11, not knowing what was coming next and trying to gain information to keep us safe. But there still has to be a line that we should not cross. And unfortunately what this has done, I think, has tainted everything."
She said someone should acknowledge that mistakes were made and take responsibility.
Qahtani was denied entry to the US a month before the September 11 attacks and was allegedly planning to be part of them. He was later captured in Afghanistan and sent to Guantanamo Bay in January 2002.
His interrogation took place over 50 days from November 2002 to January 2003, though he was held in isolation until April 2003. "For 160 days his only contact was with the interrogators," Judge Crawford said. "Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days of 18 to 20-hour interrogations. Standing naked in front of a female agent. Subject to strip searches. And insults to his mother and sister."
At one point he was threatened with a military working dog, according to a military report. On another occasion, he was led around the room with a leash tied to his chains "and forced to perform a series of dog tricks".
Judge Crawford said the torture of Qahtani was "a combination of things that had a medical impact on him, that hurt his health. It was abusive and uncalled for. And coercive. Clearly coercive. It was that medical impact that pushed me over the edge (to call it torture)."
Military prosecutors said in November that they would seek to refile charges against Qahtani, 30, based on subsequent interrogations that did not employ the techniques. But Judge Crawford said she would not allow the prosecution to proceed.
Qahtani's interrogation was so intense that he was taken to hospital twice with bradycardia, a condition in which the heart rate falls below 60 beats a minute and which, in extreme cases, can lead to death.
FBI "clean teams", which gather evidence without coercive interrogations, have established that the hijackers' leader, Mohamed Atta, went to the Orlando Airport to meet Qahtani on August 4, 2001, but the young Saudi was denied entry by an immigration inspector.
"There's no doubt in my mind he would've been on one of those planes (on September 11) had he gained access to the country in August 2001," Judge Crawford said of Qahtani. "He's a very dangerous man. What do you do with him now if you don't charge him and try him? I would be hesitant to say, 'Let him go.' "
That, she said, was a decision that President-elect Barack Obama would have to make.
After the Supreme Court ruled in 2006 that the original military commission system for Guantanamo Bay violated the constitution and the Geneva Convention, Congress rewrote the rules and passed the Military Commissions Act. The act bans torture but permits "coercive" testimony.
Judge Crawford said even coerced testimony should not be allowed. "You don't allow it in a regular court," she said.
Under the act, Judge Crawford is a neutral official overseeing charges, trials and sentencing, with decision-making power over all cases coming before the military commissions.
Last May, she ordered the war crimes charges against Qahtani dropped but did not state publicly that torture was the reason. "It did shock me," she said. "I was upset by it. I was embarrassed by it.
"If we tolerate this and allow it, then how can we object when our servicemen and women … are captured and subjected to the same techniques? How can we complain? Where is our moral authority to complain? Well, we may have lost it."
She said the techniques used against Qahtani were approved by the then defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. "A lot of this happened on his watch."
Judge Crawford said she did not know if five other detainees accused of taking part in the September 11 plot, including alleged mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, were tortured. "I assume torture," she said, noting that CIA director-general Michael Hayden had said publicly that Mohammed was one of three detainees waterboarded by the CIA.
The five detainees face capital murder charges, and Judge Crawford said she let those charges go ahead because the FBI satisfied her that they gathered information without using coercive techniques.
She said Mr Bush was right to create a system to try unlawful enemy combatants but the implementation was flawed.
"I think someone should acknowledge that mistakes were made … and take responsibility for it," she said.
"We learn as children that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission," Judge Crawford said. "I think the buck stops in the Oval Office."
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Only 3 prisoners waterboarded...I say that's not enough.  This other guy was hazed, not tortured. Subject to cold? What did they do, put him in a freezer? This guy wanted to fly an airplane into a building. I say we throw him out of an airplane and see if he can fly. I think if the majority of Americans knew what is considered torture they would have no problem with it.
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Knee-jerk emotional reactions often contain little logic.
This is quite possibly the only thing we'll ever agree on .. as your obviously as liberal as they come ... your the worst type ... U hide behind the freedom this country provides while having no clue what it takes to maintain it ... U should enter politics ... U'd be a good one ...
not quite sure what knee jerk reaction has to do with this .. it happend 8 years ago ... i'm over the anger and knee jerk type stuff ... but whatever floats your boat ....
and dude ... if U think killing 4 innocent by standers or raping a little girl is even remotely close to what is going on here .... your even more lost than I thought ... and your a very lost and mis guided soul ....
the scope and the amount of people involved in what happend and what is still happening to us with terrorism is on a total different plane than your lame ass attempt at a comparision .... its an absolutely horrible comparision ....
U do know that Bin laden actually declared war on us in 94 or so ... don't u??? .. but that prolly won't matter to U ....
can't wait to see how saying please works as our new form of torture ... that oughta be pretty affective ...
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Its a good thing these folks either have no clue what actually happens in the field or turn there heads and just ignore it .. cause that stuff is like a day at the beach compared to what happens in the filed ....
and if this dude was going to take part in 9/11 .. they treated him way to good IMO ... that wasn't even torture .... I'm with U .. lets see if he can fly ... *L* ..
bleeding heart liberals .. U gotta love um ..
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U hide behind the freedom this country provides while having no clue what it takes to maintain it
Did you just get done watching "A Few Good Men"?
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if U think killing 4 innocent by standers or raping a little girl is even remotely close to what is going on here
It's the exact same thing, bro -- an antisocial depravity. One's just a bigger bang than the other.
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U do know that Bin laden actually declared war on us in 94 or so ... don't u???
After we built military bases in Saudi Arabia with the blessing of the throat-slitting tyrants we kiss on the face? Yeah, I remember...
How many bin Ladens do you think we've created over in Iraq? How many of those nut jobs we give money to in order to fight them and not us are going to bite us once we turn our back? How many more dollars are we going to give the Saudis who are far, far, far greater of a problem to our security than bin Laden?
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Pit, you stated that we didn't have any proof of them being guilty. DId you read the entire article? It states the defendants were against the delay Obama put in place because they wanted to plead guilty. Seems to me that if they are wanting to plead guilty, it's pretty cut and dry, no?
Good Lord man! You of all people?
Don't you know that "in their world" being a martyr is the supreme way of promoting your cause? Guilty or not?
If you guys keep insisting on feeding the lions, don't be surprised if you lose an arm. Us putting them to death is their ultimate goal. It will raise the ire of their people and make them heros. But okay.......
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Well Peen, the last administration let a full one third of them go. And where was the outcry then?
And, even though many keep ignoring it, nobody said they would "be let go". Even Biden said some will be kept as prisoners. So it's just a continuation of what the Bush administration did in a different location. Minus the torture of course......
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Only 3 prisoners waterboarded...I say that's not enough.
Can we waterboard the lawyers?
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How many bin Ladens do you think we've created over in Iraq?
Probably less than we've killed?
We created Bin Laden, that totally slipped my mind. Maybe had we been nicer our middle east friends they wouldn't have killed 5,000 of us.
If we left them alone, theyd leave us alone?
If we gave them a "fair American trial" theyd leave us alone?
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How many more dollars are we going to give the Saudis who are far, far, far greater of a problem to our security than bin Laden?
I know, if we cut off their money, like don't buy anymore oil, they won't have any money to kill us right?
If the country goes green, no more terroism...well until other countries of the world buy their oil, for a higher price and those terrorist still have money and we no oil.
When the come over and kill more of us, should we simply send policemen over to the middle east and arrest them, since the deserve an american trial and shouldnt be shot or put into a military camp to be questioned.
OR should we simply not respond if they attack us, maybe they'll leave us alone if treat them better.
I see the logic now in Obama's closing down of the bay, treat them nicer, give them "fair trails". They'll be nicer to us.
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Its a good thing these folks either have no clue what actually happens in the field or turn there heads and just ignore it .. cause that stuff is like a day at the beach compared to what happens in the filed ....
and if this dude was going to take part in 9/11 .. they treated him way to good IMO ... that wasn't even torture .... I'm with U .. lets see if he can fly ... *L* ..
bleeding heart liberals .. U gotta love um ..
Diam...trouble reading?...that wasn't even torture?
Let's see...do I believe Diam the great?...or the GOP appointed Judge Crawford?
"We tortured Qahtani," Judge Crawford said in her first interview since her appointment by Defence Secretary Robert Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case (for prosecution)."
Judge Crawford, a lifelong Republican, said: "I sympathise with the intelligence gatherers in those days after 9/11, not knowing what was coming next and trying to gain information to keep us safe. But there still has to be a line that we should not cross. And unfortunately what this has done, I think, has tainted everything."
She said someone should acknowledge that mistakes were made and take responsibility.
"I think someone should acknowledge that mistakes were made … and take responsibility for it," she said.
"We learn as children that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission," Judge Crawford said. "I think the buck stops in the Oval Office."
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Diam...hopfully you can now understand that the problem here is not the bleeding heart liberals, but those who made the mistakes in the way they obtained information from the detainees.
As (GOP) Judge Crawford said, "I think the buck stops in the Oval Office."
Diam, forgive me for siding with Bush's Judge Crawford on this one... ...mac
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Sorry Mac, but I don't think most Americans think what was done to him is torture. Just because some Bush appointee say it reaches the legal definition doesn't mean that most of us agree.
Standing naked in front of a female? Isolated confindment? Leading him around on a leash?
Com'on, do you really think this stuff is serious for someone who says he was going to be part of 911?
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It would be nice if somebody had "evidence rather than inuendo" to the contrary, wouldn't it?
Seems that "IF" this could be proven, we could try them.
Seems, based on the article, that the defendants oppose the delay and want to plead guilty to stuff that will get them executed.. or is a self-confession no longer considered evidence?
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The defendants opposed the delay. All have said they want to plead guilty to charges that carry a potential death sentence.
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Deleted it cause it didn't need to be said ,,. had nuttin to do with calming down .. i was never upset ... what i said was true ... and no way would i let someone that is that shallow get me upset ... not a shot in hell .. U gotta admit the line about Jeannie/Dawson was pretty good .. no???  mac .. as usual I have no clue what the hell your talking about .. I am not trying to sell anyone anything .. believe what u want .. your another proven bleeding heart liberal ... as for the torture ... dude ... can u comprehend anything at all?? .. I'll try one last time ... my guess is u still won't get it and will come back with some response that makes me scratch my head at the relevance of of it .. I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY SAW (not chop .. but SLOWLY SAW) EVERY LIMB OFF THOSE FOLKS .... that would not bother me in the least ... not one iota ... if it gets info that saves one american life ... IT WAS A ROUSING SUCCESS IN MY EYES ... and if we saw off a few limbs of innocent folks .. SORRY ... I ain't losing no sleep over it .. U see my world is pretty simple ... here's how it works ... if u may have information pertaining to or belong to a group that has said that it is part of there religious beliefs to KILL AMERICANS (and he metnions womean and children are targets) and had demonstrated this multiple times over the last 15 - 18 years .... some examples ... various car bombings at US Military instalations and embessays killing a bunch of Americans ... attempting to blow up one of our ships in port and killing many americans ... attempting to blow up the WTC .. flying airplanes into the WTC and killing thousands of US (u do realize what country U live in ... yes??) .... flying an airplane into the pentagon ... attempting to fly another airplane into possibly the white house ... (glad U and Phil and Pit weren't on that plane ... as I'm sure U would have been trying to talk the HEREOS out of SAVING LIVES cause of a lack of proof .. ) ... or some other building that would have killed many more of US ... THEN U HAVE NO RIGHTS .. NONE .. ZERO .. ZIP ... ZILCH ... and if we tortue/mame/kill some innocent folks along with the guilty ones ... SO BE IT ... i can live with it .. key words there being .. LIVE WITH .. meaning I and my countryman are still alive .. and I could care less what some judge deems it according to law ... she means NOTHING TO ME ... cuase U see mr. head up his backside ... LAWS AND RULES AND FAIRNESS went out the window with the first DEAD AMERICAN ... at least in my world it did .. but we obviously live in different worlds .. is that clear enough for U ... I doubt it ..
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I agree. I'm not so sure I would have before I started reading Vince Flynn, (Very good BTW) but I do now.
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I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY SAW (not chop .. but SLOWLY SAW) EVERY LIMB OFF THOSE FOLKS .... that would not bother me in the least ... not one iota ...
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THEN U HAVE NO RIGHTS .. NONE .. ZERO .. ZIP ... ZILCH ... and if we tortue/mame/kill some innocent folks along with the guilty ones ... SO BE IT
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and I could care less what some judge deems it according to law ... she means NOTHING TO ME
You do realize that you sound no less sick that the fanatical animals you're complaining about, right?
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You do realize that you sound no less sick that the fanatical animals you're complaining about, right?
*LOL* .... not even close dude .... tell the forrest the trees said hello ...
They brought the fight to me ... I'm just responding in kind and trying to save american lives ... guess U haven't figured out that Please is not a good info gathering technique ...
like I said .. folks like U and Mac and Pit enjoy the freedom this country gives U but have no clue what it takes to maintain it ...
and No I did not just through watching a Few good Men .. I do not like that movie .. I have no problem with what happend there ... NONE WHAT SO EVER ... its a shame that boy had to die ... a real shame ... but it happens ..
maybe just maybe if u were ever in the military .. U would have some semblance of a clue about whats going on .. but i doubt it ..
Are u from Berkely??? .... 
Deep Can U please send Phil a copy of one of the Vince Flynn books ... sounds like he could use it ...
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I think I have a spare one lying around.
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I think I have a spare one lying around
Please get it out to him ASAP .. and if he don't want to read it .. hit him over the head with it and try and knock some sense into him ... the lord only knows he could certainly use it ....
but be careful and don't do it in front of others or leave a mark cause then you'll more than likely be charged with torture ...
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Check this out  Released detainee now Yemen al-Qaida commander By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON – A Saudi militant who was released from Guantanamo Bay after six years of confinement is now a top figure in the Yemeni branch of al-Qaida, a U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed Friday. Said Ali al-Shihri was released in 2007 to the Saudi government for rehabilitation. He re-emerged this week, identified by a militant-leaning Web site as a top deputy in "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni offshoot of the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden. The Yemeni branch has been implicated in several attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana. Al-Shihri is one of a small number of deputies in the group, the U.S. counter-terror official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss sensitive intelligence. The militant Web site, which referred to al-Shihri under his terror nom de guerre, "Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri," also revealed his Guantanamo prisoner number, 372. The announcement from the militant site came the same day that President Barack Obama signed an executive order directing the closure of the jail at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year. A key question facing Obama's new administration is what to do with the 245 prisoners still confined at Guantanamo. That means finding new detention facilities for hard-core prisoners while trying to determine which detainees are harmless enough to release. At least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and another 43 are suspected of resuming terrorist activities, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said on Jan. 13. He declined to provide the identity of the former detainees or what their terrorist activities were. It is unclear whether al-Shihri's name would be a new addition to that list of 61. The Internet site, an online magazine published by al-Qaida affiliates, announced that al-Shihri is the group's second-in-command in Yemen. "He managed to leave the land of the two shrines (Saudi Arabia) and join his brothers in al-Qaida," the statement said. Included in the site's material was a message to Yemen's populace from al-Qaida figure Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's top deputy. According to Pentagon documents, al-Shihri was stopped at a Pakistani border crossing in December 2001 with injuries from an airstrike and recuperated at a hospital in Quetta for a month and a half. Within days of leaving the hospital, he became one of the first detainees sent to Guantanamo. Al-Shihri allegedly traveled to Afghanistan two weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, provided money to other fighters and trained in urban warfare at a camp north of Kabul, according to a summary of the evidence against him from U.S. military review panels at Guantanamo Bay. An alleged travel coordinator for al-Qaida, he was also accused of meeting extremists in Mashad, Iran, and briefing them on how to enter Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department documents. Al-Shihri, however, said he traveled to Iran to buy carpets for his store in Riyadh. He said he felt bin Laden had no business representing Islam, denied any links to terrorism, and expressed interest in rejoining his family in Saudi Arabia. Yemen is rapidly re-emerging as a terrorist battleground and potential base of operations for al-Qaida and is a main concern for U.S. counterterrorism officials. Al-Qaida in Yemen conducted an "unprecedented number of attacks" in 2008 and is likely to be a launching pad for attacks against Saudi Arabia, outgoing CIA Director Michael Hayden said in November. The most recent attack, in September, killed 16 people. It followed a March mortar attack, and two attacks against Yemen's presidential compound in late April. The impoverished country on the southern tip of the Arabian peninsula has a weak central government and a powerful tribal system. That leaves large lawless areas open for terrorist training and operations. Yemen was also the site of the 2000 USS Cole bombing that killed 17 American sailors. Seventeen suspects in the attack were arrested; ten of them escaped Yemen's jails in 2003. One of the primary suspects in the attack, Jamal al-Badawi, escaped jail in 2004. He was taken back into custody last fall under pressure from the U.S. government. ___ Associated Press writer Maggie Michael contributed to this report from Cairo. Source
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I take it you are a person that would rather have your head cut off than to have to deal with standing naked in front of a guard, or being waterboarded, huh?
I'm tired of this "we're better than that" stuff. Take the fight to their level. People that say things like "we're better than that" need to realize they are not.
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They brought the fight to me ...
Your corrupt dollar-sign government brought the fight to you, when they pissed off a bunch of maniacs they made money off of.
Do you honestly think that we were just playing in the sand when the big, bad guys came and kicked us? 
No, I'm not from Berkeley, I'd just rather not swim in swine. Painfully aware of the sick inevitabilities of life being unfair. Just not jumping into the fray...I commit enough sins just by breathing, bro.
Watch your kid die and tell me that it's a shame but a part of the game.
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I didn't realize you had a kid die in the war.
Did you? Or was your phrase just something to detract from the discussion?
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Your corrupt dollar-sign government brought the fight to you, when they pissed off a bunch of maniacs they made money off of.
Its OUR corrupt dollar sign gov't .... U can skate out of alot of stuff but that is not one of them ... weather U or I like it or not .. its OUR GOVERMENT ... and one I will be emberrased to have speak for me for the next 4 years ... but that don't make it any les mine ....
the famous liberal game ... its always OUR fault ... we PROVOKED them .. its always the other guy .. ACCOUNTABILITY is not a part of your vocubalary ... you make up for it with your best skill ... finger pointing .. *L* ..
everyones got to be good at sumptin ..
I'd ask a bunch of questions about what we did to bring Bin Laden to want us all dead . including our women and children ... but I know the sarcasm like "maybe it was when we trained and funded him and his troops in there fight against the Soviets" would fly right over your head ... so I won't bother ...
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Do you honestly think that we were just playing in the sand when the big, bad guys came and kicked us?
I know exactly what we were doing over there .. I get the feeling U don't or just don't understand cause your wires are all mixed up ...
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Just not jumping into the fray
*L* ... I guess you'd rather just sit on the sidelines and throw stones .... even though from how U run your mouth in here that appears to be as from from the truth as U are left ..
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Watch your kid die and tell me that it's a shame but a part of the game.
if U lost a child (be it in the service or any other way) my heart goes out to U ... never having a child I can not even imagine the heart ache and grief ... I am very very sorry if that happend to U .. it should happen to no one .... they say it is the worst thing in the world ..
it does not change a thing .. not one single thing that I believe in and/or have said in here changes becuase of your loss ...
Again .. If U lost a child I am very very sorry for your loss ..... My heart goes out to U ...
God Bless U man ... and Good Luck in coping with it ...
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If, IF pdr had lost a child in the military wars that are currently going on, we'd have heard about it by now.
PDR, did you lose a son or daughter in Iraq or Afghanistan? Point blank, yes or no?
I mean, if the answer is no, the worst that can happen is people tell you your opinion is worthless about the war - kinda like what I've been told, since I didn't serve and haven't had a child killed in these 2 wars.
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like I said .. folks like U and Mac and Pit enjoy the freedom this country gives U but have no clue what it takes to maintain it ...
Diam...now your treading into my territory, claiming I don't have a clue what it takes to maintain our freedoms.
Diam...did you serve your country?...did your father serve our country?...have your sons or daughters served their country?
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1. its none of your business .... 2. it does not matter ..... NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT .... 3. YES to my dad and me ... I have no children so I guess mine did since there still in my sacs and I served .... ... but it is IRRELIVENT .... there are unpatriotic idiots in the military ... just because I or my Dad or my children served does not mean I GET IT or have some RIGHT TO RUN MY MOUTH compared to others .. its not a special club Mac that makes U or I or anyone better or worse ... as an aside .. the blue type does not make what U type any more logical or intelligent ....  Arch ... If he lost a child I am sorry ... weather he lost them in this war or in any other way .. its a shame ... and weather he lost a child in this or any other war does not make a bit of difference in what i think or what i say in here ... and it gives him no more moral high ground for his views .. if he lost a child in a war it would be a shame .. and I would say his child was a hero and that the entire counrty owes him our gratitude ... it would not change my views though or make what he says anymore relevant to me .... look at blue type man ... the artist formely known as yellow type man trying to throw his weigh around cause his dad and him and his kid(s) may have served ... in my world it don't work that way ,,,,,
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