DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Anderson/Quinn may continue in 2009

Such silly comments prove you're a troll. Nobody takes you seriously. Nor should they.........

Seriously, he is a bum.
Seriously, so are you.

So other people are allowed to use sarcasm, but I can't? Quite frankly Pitdawg, I could care less what you think about me, and if you wish, use the ignore feature.

Did I just hear Charlie Brown's teacher?

Wah wah, wah wah wah wah...............

I here all this chatter around here, but I seriously think that most of you do not understand what it is, what it takes and what it means to develop an NFL QB. Thus it is easy for you to just move on to the next QB. You talk about bad footwork..Well most of ours favorite QB of all time and one I grew up watching Bernie Kosar had probably some of the worst footwork of all time. Some of you talk about completion percentage and accuracy. That same QB had a 50% completion percentage and I believe under 60 for his Career. Charlie Frye was at 64%. Vision..Anderson has great vision of the field, and finds the open receiver. Youth. He is 26 and has great experience and has proven he can win games, come from behind, put points on the board. He has made his mistakes, and will learn from them as he progresses and has continuity as he showed last year by getting rid of the ball when nothing is there and going 3 consecutive games without an interception or TO.

Many of you fail to recognize his improvements and probably don't realize that from week 6 until 9 where he was injured he went the three games w/o the TO, threw 6 TD and 1 int., was only sacked three times, had an average QB rating of 89 with a high of 121. The last six games only throwin 2 interceptions. What he did lack in was completion percentage. We know of the drops and a few bad throws(every QB does). Anderson throws a lot of balls away or in a spot that only his receiver or noone can catch it, That is how he gets sacked so few times, he makes quick decisions and knows where to go with thw ball because he finds the open man. In those games he put up 35, 11, 23, 27 points against 4 tough defenses in Giants, Washington, Jacksonville, Baltimore. 3 out of 4 games good enough to win with a good Defense. No I didn't forget about the 1 Pick SIX that sealed the deal for Baltimore, but even take that away and the D still gave up 30 points, which would have been good enough to win.

I can point to other QB's that had high int totals and high TD totals in their early years that have had great careers such as Manning, (56% 28 ints) McNabb (58% for his career) Eli-(48%-05, 55% for his career) this was the first year he hit 60(60.3) and has had seasons of 17, 18, and 20 int's with the 20 being his superbowl year), of Course the Kosar with less than 60% on his career. McNair 52% first year as starter, 60% for his career, 14 TD 13 int. All of our Favorites Elway(47%, 56 for his career 7 TD 14 ints in 83). I can go on and on about everyones biggest complaint about him...I chose all of those QB's because every one of them went to the SuperBowl except for Kosar(as a starter). I didn't even put the Rex Grossmans,...Every one of those guys had long career with their teams and great success. They also built a chemistry around them and built their teams up, but were good enough to go and win SuperBowls, but only as a team.

You don't just get rid of a guy that could have that potential for a guy you have no idea about. All I am saying is that if one has to go...You get rid of the unproven guy and keep the odds on your side, because it has been proven. Quinn could be great, and Anderson might not...but the odds are seriously stacked against Quinn more so than they are for Anderson. I can give you examples, points of time when he has improved, a first year starter with a 30ish ranked Defense going 10-6, with two rookie coordinators. A Pro Bowl...(you can say he backed in..but so did Joe Thomas then), in his first year...having the 5th best statistical year in Browns QB history nearly duplicating Kosars of 86. I am more upset with the process than anything. imagine he played a full 16 game season last year, he would project to put up 18 TD's and 16 int's. By far not a great year, but has been surpassed by more destinguished QB's than himself. You have those years and that is not a function of one guy, just like when they do great it is not a function of one guy. It is a team sport with individual performances. What if the D did only give up 20 points a game in 2007 and in 08, It would be a whole different story. 2007 We would have been in the playoffs and 2008 we would have been 4-4 against as it turns out the toughest strength of schedule in football with a host of bad injuries and drops and a depleting right side of the line. If the Defense was just halfway decent and he was 16-8 in his 24 starts until his injury, with a playoff birth, a pro bowl, and only 26, would his completion percentage or as some of you say his bad footwork really matter. (although there are many articles on how his footwork has improved and he took that SPARQS? class, but the fact remains he is 6'6 and has a size 17..his footwork isn't as bad as most believe. He has made bad decisions as they all do, but he has also been plagued by bad drops and unfortunate tip situations that result in int. , and quick decisions to avoid sacks and a receiving corp through much of the beginning of the year include Syndric steptoe, a recovering Edwards, and coming off a concussion. Timing , the stiff competition and lack of continuity had a lot to do with that rough start to this year.

He throws a beautiful ball,
Quick decision maker
nice play action fake
can see the field
has proven to be successfull
examples to prove the possibilities and progression
can go to and win the SuperBowl with QB like him
Can lead a comeback
He can Carry a team
Lineman know where he is and is easier to protect and call protections
Sacked few times.
has the benefit of experience at 26
has seen the toughest Defenses in the league regularly been somewhat respectable and will have the benefit of learning from those experiences.
Good vision and anticipation most of the time.

What he hasn't had is a healthy cast or a good defense and some bad play calling (Cinci throwing 48 times with high gusts).
When we fix all those things and he doesn't produce, I would be happy to get rid of him. But I can't just throw that away without taking into account the state of the team in relationship to what we could have.

That is All I have to say about that......Whew.

Flacco is a perfect example, the guy completed 60% of his passes, had 14 TD's to 12 int's, not even 3,000 yards passing on the year and he is a game away from going to the SuperBowl, and is being touted like the next Montana. But they were 11-5 and they love Flacco..If Baltimore Defense goes to 31st in he league next year and Flacco puts up identical numbers, who's fault would it be?


Edit:I just now realized those QB's all have something else in common..Lasers for arms.

Browns all time

interesting comparable

you fail, Mr. Kosar had 59.3 completion percentage over his career. that is very respectable. DA has 54.6, in NFL terms there is a HUGE difference there.

come from behind, when this year? when last year when we needed a 4th quarter drive to get into the playoofs agains a horrible secondary know as the bungles. Is BQ the answer? who knows, but most of us have seen that DA does not have the IQ to run an NFL offense.

The most unfortunate thing is we couldn't cash in on his popularity last year.

Pit, add to that the difference in the game from even when Kosar played until now. The rules are much more ofensive friendly so the completion percentages should go up.

DA has a nice deep ball. He doesn't read defenses well (that's why he wasn't allowed to audible), is horridly inaccurate on short to medium throws, has poor touch on his throws, doesn't command the huddle, is terribly inconsistent, has terrible mechanics, and very poor footwork.

You can point to one or two flaws in every QB. If you want to, you could point to a flaw or weakness DA has in another successful QB. The eimple fact is tht DA has too many of them cumulatively. DA caught lightning in a bottle for half a season last year. He was an unknown quantity. Once DCs figured him out, he didn't have the skill set to adjust. If you want to compare DA to another QB from our past, it would be a much better example to compare him to Holcomb....not in skill sets as they were different. However, they are eerily similar in that once DCs had film on them, they couldn't adjust their game because of their weaknesses.

The bottom line is that DA is not suited for a WCO type system. You don't trade away a QB that IS suited for your system, can make all the throws that are necessary (BQ can, DA can't), and has a huge upside foe someone that doesn't fit your system. I wish DA well wherever he goes.