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Cleveland Browns' Eric Mangini confirms he has offensive and defensive coordinators in mind Friday, January 09, 2009 Mary Kay Cabot Plain Dealer Reporter Browns coach Eric Mangini confirmed Thursday that his top choices for offensive and defensive coordinators are Brian Daboll and Rob Ryan, respectively. Daboll is the New York Jets quarterbacks coach and Ryan the Oakland Raiders defensive coordinator. Ryan cleaned out his office in Oakland on Thursday and the Raiders told him he's free to go even though his contract isn't up until Tuesday. Ryan, whom Mangini has coveted for several years, is expected to accept the job. If he does, he might bring Raiders linebackers coach Don Martindale with him. The two were inseparable in Oakland. Mangini admitted he's interested in current Jets offensive line coach Bill Callahan, but Callahan is under contract and the Browns would have to receive permission to interview him. The Jets recently interviewed Callahan for their head coaching vacancy and might want to keep him. Mangini also stressed he'd love to have former Browns coach Romeo Crennel stay on in some capacity and that he's already talked to him about it. "I've known Romeo for a lot of years and he's a great, great friend," Mangini said. "I have so much respect for him professionally and I'd love for him to continue to be involved. He's a huge asset and I think it would be a really positive thing for everybody. When I got the news and shared it with him, he was amazing - how happy he was, how excited he was, how he'd love to [help] any way possible. That's who he is." Mangini said he also wants to meet with the current Browns assistants as soon as possible to let them know where they stand, adding that some might stay. ESPN's Michael Smith reported that offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski was set to interview with the San Francisco 49ers today for their coordinator spot. Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker was also set to interview with the Seattle Seahawks for their coordinator post, according to profootballtalk.com. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don Martindale job title- Linebackers Don Martindale, a 23-year coaching veteran with experience as a college defensive coordinator and a coach on a Division 1-AA National Championship team, is in his fifth year as the Raiders linebackers coach. In 2007, Martindale’s unit included players who ranked first and second while totaling 10 interceptions. Thomas Howard led the AFC in interception return yards and was tied for fifth in the NFL with six interceptions, while Kirk Morrison had four. In addition, linebackers ranked first (Morrison), second (Howard) and fourth (Robert Thomas) in tackles. In 2006, Martindale’s unit helped the Raiders finish first in the NFL in pass defense and third in the league in total defense. He tutored a corps that included Kirk Morrison, who finished 11th in the NFL in tackles and Thomas Howard, who placed second in the NFL among rookies in tackles. In 2005, Martindale coached a linebacking unit that included Kirk Morrison, who led all NFL rookies in tackles. Morrison and Danny Clark each had more than 100 tackles in 2005, to rank among the league leaders and only four other teams had two linebackers in the top-25 in tackles. Under the tutelage of Martindale, Clark also finished eighth in the NFL in total stops in 2004. Martindale spent three seasons at Western Kentucky, serving as the Hilltoppers inside linebackers coach and special teams coordinator. He also helped produce a group of linebackers that were considered among I-AA's best. In 2003 he was defensive coordinator at Western Kentucky when they ranked sixth in the nation in total defense. In 2002, his unit played a key role in helping Western Kentucky capture the NCAA Division 1 AA National Championship. Martindale entered the coaching ranks as an assistant at his alma mater, Defiance College, in 1986. In 1987, he was defensive coordinator at Defiance and then spent the next six years coaching at the Ohio high school level. The Dayton, Ohio native was a defensive assistant at Notre Dame from 1994-1995, helping the Irish earn a berth in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl and the 1996 Orange Bowl. Martindale then coached defensive ends at the University of Cincinnati in 1996 before spending the 1997 and 1998 seasons as the Bearcats linebackers coach and special teams coordinator. He helped Cincinnati appear in the 1997 Humanitarian Bowl as the defense was in the top five nationally both against the run and in forced turnovers. In addition, special teams topped the conference in at least one category in both seasons he mentored the group. In addition, his special teams units topped the conference in at least one category during his tenure. In 1999, Martindale was defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Western Illinois where they were in second in the nation in total defense. His family includes wife Laura, daughter Cassie and son Ty. http://www.raiders.com/Team/CoachBio.aspx?id=598
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Browns coach Eric Mangini confirmed Thursday that his top choices for offensive and defensive coordinators are Brian Daboll and Rob Ryan, respectively.
Moreso than Mangini and the GM...These are the 2 KEY additions IMFUHO...
The senile Davis is the one that screwed over Ryan switching to a 4-3 in Oakland...
I like Ryan...I'm still in the mold that this Offense has weapons to win with...Especially when u consider the KEY parts are here already...
Thomas
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And NO...I do not see Mangini trading Edwards...I just can't see it...This is a TALENT that had the same type year that the ENTIRE damn team did...Thomas didn't even play to his standards...Couple added pieces and we should be able to move the damn ball...
Defensively is where it's at...And Ryan runs a pretty aggressive 3-4 D...LOVE HIS PEDIGREE...
One's gotta wonder where we might be with a bit of aggressiveness inserted into this D...A little TOUGHNESS...And a few key acquisitions...
2 problems are gone...
OLB MGinest due to AGE
ILB Davis due to suckability
We get a healthy Peek back...Or sign a FA capable of putting pressure on a QB...And draft a Curry for inside...That alone will upgrade the talent level at the 4 most important spots in any 3-4 having Rogers up front...
That right there could drastically change the outlook of this defense with a Coordinator in Ryan's mold...
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McGinest and Davis were both detriments in regard to both line play as well as secondary play......fill those slots with upgrades, doesn't have to be elite players though that would be nice, just UPGRADE the slots and that will help immensely.
And maybe Martindale if brought on board can coach up Wimbley....I haven't given up on him yet.
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And maybe Martindale if brought on board can coach up Wimbley....I haven't given up on him yet.
I hear ya on Wimbley. I have no idea why he hasn't been the force he was in his rookie season.. There is so much raw talent there. Seems to me that a smart DC would mold a position to use that talent instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.. I think (not sure) thats what took place.
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It is,....it's why you don't put a color blind Corpsman on point  Wimbley is definitely underused.
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Wimbley is definitely underused.
agreed.. It's odd in a way. RAC being a Defensive coach for so many years and he didn't see it or maybe he did but didn't do anything about it. Two DC's and only a drop in production to show for it.
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Shep, I said in another thread that after looking at how Ryans Defense faired over the last couple of years, (all ranked in the high 20s) that maybe he's not the guy to choose as DC..
But your saying that Davis changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and forced it on Ryan? Why in heavens name would Ryan stay on staff after that?
I guess I need someone to school me on why Ryan is a good choice!
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Could have been the first crack in the divide between he and Savage ? Maybe RAC didn't want to take him,....who knows. Just get the kid to perform. I think Mango can do that.
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Who is Mango?
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Agreed on Wimbley. Assuming he can become something resembling what we saw his rookie year, he and DQ are solid starters. I would also be ok with a combination of Peek (is it possible for him to stay healthy?) and Hall at the other OLB spot for next season. Throw in Williams, Bell and Orr as backups. The weakness there is (as always) a stud ILB. IMO, that is the number 1 need on this team.
From there, I look for upgrades at the DE (someone that can get up field would be nice) and an upgrade on the right side of the OL.
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Davis and McGinnest.... They do need to be replaced... But both played pretty decent last year... And if they didn't play.. Who do you put in to replace them?
Hall wasn't good at run support, and subpar at rushing the passer. And Leon Williams fell off the map.
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Analogy for Mangini. A piece of fruit getting ready to ripen.
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I guess I need someone to school me on why Ryan is a good choice!
Welcome to reality Daman...he isn´t...that´s the easy answer looking at the facts  ...just as our OC Daboll isn´t....they are buds with Eric "Ralph Wiggum" Mangini and will have no problem of being overruled by their hands-on HC...Daboll is just happy to get a promotion and is a 1st time OC (at ANY level...he´s 33yo btw)...Ryan is used to being overruled on gameday lol, he was with the Raiders....Mangini selected 2 submissive buddies as Coords....NOT the best 2 available....it´s so obvious it´s not even funny anymore
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And maybe Martindale if brought on board can coach up Wimbley....I haven't given up on him yet.
I hear ya on Wimbley. I have no idea why he hasn't been the force he was in his rookie season.. There is so much raw talent there. Seems to me that a smart DC would mold a position to use that talent instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.. I think (not sure) thats what took place.
Like I said in another post, I hope Mangini and his new staff can work with Wimbley better then they did with Vernon Gholston in New York. Both were DEs in college and turned into 3-4 outside LBs. Gholston was said to be a rare physical speciman coming out of college and wasnt even on the active list towards the end of the season.
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Tucker and Chud would not be big losses. If they cant find new jobs, I would be all for them going back to be a TE and secondary coach. Both are young and could learn alot more before becoming full time cooridinators. I would love for Chud to focus just on the TEs, especially if Winslow isnt around and with an aging Heidon. I think Chud could turn rucker into a valuable asste to this team. I havnt seen a secondary coach mentioned yet either, so I think Tucker with his experiance would be a good asset to the young secondary. But as for cooridinators, not yet.
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Ryan's defenses have been very good until he was forced by Al Davis and Lane Kiffin to run the 4-3/Tampa 2. He runs an aggressive 3-4 and is a very firey coach. There are few guys I'd rather have than him.
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Could have been the first crack in the divide between he and Savage ? Maybe RAC didn't want to take him,....who knows. Just get the kid to perform. I think Mango can do that.
Funny you mention that because I distinctly remember seeing RAC on NFL network say that if Ngata was there with their pick they would just walk up and turn the card in.
IMO he really wanted him and it wasn't a smokescreen 
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What´s Mike Nolan doing these days? He knows the 3-4 and won´t get any HC offers...
Gregg Williams is coveted by some teams as DC now that he will be fired after an unlucky season in JAX...he has an impressive track record as DC though
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Well we know for sure RAC was a bust for us. As far as Wimbley goes i guess we will have to wait and see.
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Could have been the first crack in the divide between he and Savage ? Maybe RAC didn't want to take him,....who knows. Just get the kid to perform. I think Mango can do that.
Funny you mention that because I distinctly remember seeing RAC on NFL network say that if Ngata was there with their pick they would just walk up and turn the card in.
IMO he really wanted him and it wasn't a smokescreen
Not to mention Savage just gave him away to a Division rival.
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Wimbley is definitely underused.
OoooRah...Only a "fool" would put their "Doc" on point, color blind or not...he might come in handy if bullets start to fly...
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Could have been the first crack in the divide between he and Savage ? Maybe RAC didn't want to take him,....who knows. Just get the kid to perform. I think Mango can do that.
Funny you mention that because I distinctly remember seeing RAC on NFL network say that if Ngata was there with their pick they would just walk up and turn the card in.
IMO he really wanted him and it wasn't a smokescreen
Not to mention Savage just gave him away to a Division rival.
That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard. You draft who you want; you don't worry about who your division rivals get.
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I think he just meant to add insult to injury... take it easy.
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Welcome to reality Daman...he isn´t...that´s the easy answer looking at the facts ...just as our OC Daboll isn´t....they are buds with Eric "Ralph Wiggum" Mangini and will have no problem of being overruled by their hands-on HC...Daboll is just happy to get a promotion and is a 1st time OC (at ANY level...he´s 33yo btw)...Ryan is used to being overruled on gameday lol, he was with the Raiders....Mangini selected 2 submissive buddies as Coords....NOT the best 2 available....it´s so obvious it´s not even funny anymore
now let´s all wait for Kokinis and we have another training school regime in Berea....WOHOO !!!
Did you call Rob Ryan submissive?
I doubt you've seen this man coach, talk, or do anything. One thing he will not take is being submissive.
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What´s Mike Nolan doing these days? He knows the 3-4 and won´t get any HC offers...
Gregg Williams is coveted by some teams as DC now that he will be fired after an unlucky season in JAX...he has an impressive track record as DC though
Nolan is reportedly going to get the Green Bay DC job.
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Wimbley is definitely underused.
OoooRah...Only a "fool" would put their "Doc" on point, color blind or not...he might come in handy if bullets start to fly...
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Welcome to reality Daman...he isn´t...that´s the easy answer looking at the facts ..
First off, thank you for responding to my quest for info..
I have no problem with him hiring who he believes in and who he feels good about doing what HE (being the HC) wants accomplished. No problem at all.
What I have a problem with is Ryans Record in recent years...
I know he's Rex Ryans brother,, I know he's Buddy Ryans Dad and I know that Rex and Buddy ran amazing defenses and I'm basically thinking that the iinstincts and beliefs are all present.
What I was looking for is REASONS why his defense failed in Oakland.. not just an opinion and ranting about how he's going to take orders from Mangini.. That serves no purpose and doesn't answer my question at all.
Thanks for welcoming me to reality,,, but if that's reality, then send me to disneyland... maybe they can lay out some facts for me to ponder...
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What I was looking for is REASONS why his defense failed in Oakland.. not just an opinion and ranting about how he's going to take orders from Mangini.. That serves no purpose and doesn't answer my question at all.
Thanks for welcoming me to reality,,, but if that's reality, then send me to disneyland... maybe they can lay out some facts for me to ponder...
One of the biggest reasons was that his team couldn't stop the run. His past few years has been very poor against the run. There may be some player issues, maybe it was a scheme thing.
One thing Rob does do is get pressure on the QB.
Some of that info can be found here: Link
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While I agree hindsight is always 20/20, why does that make the logic dumb ? Look at the result(s). A Pro Bowl NT, the Browns cannot stop the run, and Wimbley is still a project. I'm just saying I would have squeezed Baltimore's turnip until it bled a little more profusely.
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Did you call Rob Ryan submissive?
I doubt you've seen this man coach, talk, or do anything. One thing he will not take is being submissive.
Yes, I did...and he either was a) submissive calling a defense he didn´t like/understand or b) he ran his D in OAK, which simply sucked....pick your poison...I was already being nice taking a)
I really have to laugh that Ryans biggest "positives" around here are:
a) he couldn´t do what he can do in OAK
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So, best case is: we don´t know...worst case: he is what he was at OAK, which is garbage
If you´re happy with that it was pretty easy to excite you guys, lol
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I doubt you've seen this man coach, talk, or do anything. One thing he will not take is being submissive.
Yes, I did...and he either was a) submissive calling a defense he didn´t like/understand or b) he ran his D in OAK, which simply sucked....pick your poison...I was already being nice taking a)
I really have to laugh that Ryans biggest "positives" around here are:
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So, best case is: we don´t know...worst case: he is what he was at OAK, which is garbage
If you´re happy with that it was pretty easy to excite you guys, lol
I bet you have no clue that he ran two top ten defenses, not to mention his team is great against the pass.
But I should expect this from you. You're the one bitching and moaning about Mangini. Keep complaining.
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I'm not arguing that we made the wrong pick. What I'm saying is you worry about your own draft, not your rivals.
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OK Deep,, I'm starting to develop a thought process about Ryan: Here's his write up on the Raiders site: Quote:
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Rob Ryan is in his fifth year as Raiders defensive coordinator. In 2007, Ryan coordinated a Raiders defense that produced two players who ranked in the top-10 in the AFC in sacks, ranked third in the NFL in percentage of passes intercepted, eighth in the NFL in pass defense, fifth in the AFC in opponent’s third down efficiency (39 percent) and sixth in the AFC in opponent’s Inside the 20 touchdown percentage.
In 2006, Ryan oversaw a defense that led the NFL in pass defense and ranked third in total defense. The Raiders defense under Ryan also ranked fourth in the NFL in fewest yards allowed per play, fifth in defense inside the 20, fifth (tie) in defensive touchdowns and fifth in net passing yards per play.
Ryan’s defensive schemes in 2006 also helped Derrick Burgess record 12 sacks and play in his second straight Pro Bowl and Warren Sapp record 10 sacks, an NFL high for defensive tackles. In addition, the defensive schemes helped Nnamdi Asomugha post a career high eight interceptions. He was named USA Today’s “All-Joe” and Bill Arnsbarger’s “Football Insiders” Defensive Coordinator of the Year.
The 2005 Raiders defense featured the NFL's leading sack artist, Burgess, who had 16 sacks and a Pro Bowl invitation. Before joining the Raiders, the 21-year coaching veteran spent four seasons as linebackers coach on Bill Belichick's New England coaching staff. Ryan's unit contributed to the Patriots wins in Super Bowls XXXVI and XXXVIII.
In 2003, Ryan's squad helped the Patriots defense rank first in the NFL in fewest points allowed (238) while ranking seventh overall in the NFL in total defense. Ryan's unit also contributed to one of the best scoring defenses in franchise history in 2001, as the Patriots allowed just 17 points per game and produced Pro Bowlers Willie McGinest and Tedy Bruschi.
Ryan originally entered the NFL coaching ranks in 1994 as defensive backs coach on his father's staff at Arizona. He also coached Cardinals cornerbacks and safeties in 1995. With Ryan as his position coach, cornerback Aeneas Williams earned two trips to the Pro Bowl in 1994 and 1995. In 1995, the Cardinals led the NFL with 32 interceptions and 42 total takeaways. The 1994 Cardinals ranked second in the NFL total defense, second in run defense and third in pass defense. From 1997-99, Ryan was Oklahoma State's defensive coordinator, where the Cowboys defense continually ranked among the best in the nation. He was named Coordinator of the Year by The Sporting News in 1997.
In 1999, they were ranked 10th in the nation in total defense. In 1998, they were second in the nation with 41 sacks. In his first season at Oklahoma State, the Cowboys defense finished among the nation's top-20 in turnover margin, rushing defense, scoring defense and total defense, allowing just 302.7 yards per game. It was an over 100-yard improvement per game from the year before and helped the Cowboys produce an 8-4 mark and an Alamo Bowl berth.
Ryan was a graduate assistant at Western Kentucky in 1987 and at Ohio State in 1988. Ryan then spent five seasons at Tennessee State, where he coached running backs (1989-91), linebackers (1992) and the defensive line (1993). He served as defensive coordinator at Hutchinson Community College in 1996, where they led the nation in total defense (228 yards per game) and in sacks (56). His defense also set a national record by forcing 49 turnovers. Ryan played
three seasons as an outside linebacker at Southwestern Oklahoma State.
The 44-year-old Ryan is the son of NFL defensive coaching legend Buddy Ryan. His twin brother, Rex, is defensive coordinator for Baltimore. The Ryan family includes wife Kristin and three children: sons Joseph and Matthew and daughter Dimitra.
I came away thinking a little better having read that stuff.. A friend of mine asked me this morning,, if he's so good, how come his brother Rex is having so much more success....
I said, it might have something to do with the talent in Baltimore...LOL What a Maroon...
That Baltimore Defense is so stacked with Talent. Look at the string of DC's they've had,, Everyone of them has been successful for the Ravens., starting with Marv Lewis, Nolan and now Ryan.
Anyway, I can see the fit now with Ryan with the Pats during the time that RAC and Mangini were there. There is a connection and a thought process that they share. Should make it easier to communicate what Mangini wants. I think it's means they will all be working from the same playbook.,.. Gotta be a good thing 
It's odd isn't it,, because he worked for Davis and because he had less than stellar talent around him, he's consider a less than his brother.. yet, look at the talent his brother has to work with and he's considered a winner..
Amazing
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I bet you have no clue that he ran two top ten defenses, not to mention his team is great against the pass.
But I should expect this from you. You're the one bitching and moaning about Mangini. Keep complaining.
Lol, top10 D my a**....that´s why stats are for losers...they got run over in those seasons and couldn´t score...opposing teams just milked the clock and ran over them...of course their passing D stats and overall stats looked better....when they had to pass against them, they could
Go ask some Raiders fans...I did....majority of them is happy to see Ryan finally let go...some say he wasn´t the problem...but that´s as positive as you´ll hear from them about him
Nolan and G.Williams have a much better track record and more experience...but they aren´t buds with Mangini...I don´t know about you...but I want the best for the Browns and not the best for Mangini
It´s early...but all things point to Mangini being a guy with a big EGO-problem....think Butch Davis, Nick Saban Egos...competent but they want to have it their way....and more often than not this is a recipe for disaster in the NFL
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It´s early...but all things point to Mangini being a guy with a big EGO-problem....think Butch Davis, Nick Saban Egos...competent but they want to have it their way....and more often than not this is a recipe for disaster in the NFL And you got this from his first 36 hours on the job. Damn!! You're good.........
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