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Ok, here is MY OPINION of how next years line-up MAY look.....as you can see, I don't see Cleveland making a roster purge, or cleaning house as some may call it. I'm thinking they will try to coach the players that they have, amke a few moves here and there. and run with it.......
QB = Brady Quinn
RB = Jereome Harrison / Jamal Lewis
FB = Lawerence Vickers
WR = Braylon Edwards . Joe Jurivicious
WR = Donte Stallworth (just cause of the cap hit)
TE = K2 (now that Savage is gone)
LT = Joe Thomas
LG = Eric Steinbach
C = Hank Fraley / Seth McKinney
RG = Ryan Tucker / Cedrick Dockery - 4th pick
RT = FA - Jordan Gross , Kevin Shaffer
DE = Corey Williams
DT/NT = Shaun Rogers
DT/NT = Shaun Smith
DE = Kamerion Wimbley
LOLB = Clint Sintim - 2nd pick , Alex Hall, Shantee Orr
ILB = D'Qwell Jackson, Beau Bell
ILB = Rey Maualuga / Aaron Curry - 1st pick / Leon WIlliams
ROLB = Aaron Curry - 1st pick ,Alex Hall, Shantee Orr
LCB = Eric Wright, FA - Dunta Robinson (Need depth) , Travis Daniels
RCB = Daven Holley (UFA - will resgin to keep from having to fill this hole), if not Brandon McDonald
SS = Sean Jones (UFA - thinking they will re-sign)
FS = Brodney Pool / Mike Adams
KR/PR = Josh Cribbs
It's obvious that our 2 main needs are DB, LB.....With drafting Curry or Maualuga in the 1st, and Sintim in the 2nd, that would sure up our LB needs pretty well I think. If we take Curry in the 1st, it would almost makes sense that since he can play both OLB/ILB, to put him at OLB and let Leon Williams take the start at ILB....Since we don't have our 3rd, in the 4th I have saw us taking a G pretty much in every mock draft.....so that leaves us with DB. Holley is a UFA this year, and if we had the depth, I think we would not re-sign him. But, do the circumstances, I think he will end up staying. So, I think the Browns turn to FA to try and add some depth here. Dunta Robinson looks pretty interesting here...be nice to make a run at Nnamdi Asomugha , but I'm pretty sure Oakland will re-sign him...unless Al Davis is dumber than I thought. I know our O-line could use some help also, ther are a few FA's that Clevelnad may go after....I just hope that it doesn't turn out to be a Lecharles Bently part 2......Big contract, nothing to show for it..... Jordan Gross would be a great option,
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I want us to draft Mauluga, a Center, Running back and Right Tackle, and sign Terrell Suggs, and Dunta Robinson. Hopefully the new GM is smart enough to trade Quinn while he still has some value...
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I want us to draft Mauluga, a Center, Running back and Right Tackle, and sign Terrell Suggs, and Dunta Robinson. Hopefully the new GM is smart enough to trade Quinn while he still has some value...
Yeah, Maualuga or Curry in the 1st I think is a given. The only thing about Curry is that he can play both OLB or ILB. If we could get Suggs..that would be HUGE....that way still giving us Wimbly to use at LB instead at DE. It will be really interesting to see how our QB issues get resolved. Being that we gave up so much to get Quinn, and that he is still fairly raw, I see the new regime keeping him and shopping DA around to see if they get any bites.....If they could somehow get a 3rd pick back, that would help alot......While Jamal is getting old, and the flashes that Harrison showed, I don't think they will do much in the way of RB......they still have Wright in the mix to.....There are a few options still at DB....I think depending on the signing of Holley...if they keep him, Robinson is the best option, if they let him go, then I say go after Asomugha.....
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It would surprise me if we went after a RT and left RG and/or C alone. I could see either of those 2 spots being targetted before RT. I also wonder if Tucker even comes back. He's at that age where the injuries don;t heal quite as quickly .... and also seems to gt hurt more now that he's not *ahem* supplementing.
I just do not see Harrison as a starting back in this league. I think that his niche is as a role player. I just don't see him holding up over 400 carries.
I worry about the cap hit with Stallworth ..... but i can't see us going through another season with a black hole at the WR spot opposite Edwards. I think that's a "must fill" spot on the roster.
I sincerely hope that Juerivicious can come back next year. I think that the team missed his maturity and leadership badly. He is a pro's pro .... and if he doesn't come back, I think that this team needs a guy who can fill that role.
I suspect that we'll look for a DE, a pair of LBs,(or 3) a S and a CB on defense. Of these, I think that LB is the most pressing need. Wimbley concernes me, because with Rogers getting huge push in the middle of the line (and taking double and triple teams) he was still unable to generate much in the pass rush, I also think that he often takes poor angles to the ball carrier in the running game. He just seems to be out of more plays than he is in on.
I think that our most pressing needs are at WR, C, RG, and LB. I just don't know how they all get addressed in one off-season.
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I totally agree with you on Wimbley and Tucker...Tucker's roster spot might as well be IR instead of G, and their are some FA's out there that they could go after. The whole Stallworth thing......depending on the cap penatly, he would be the 1st to go if possible.....if they could somehow package him with DA and make a move, I would say go for it......And I also agree with you on the JJ comment...he gets overlooked just because you never hear about him in the papers...he is a blue collar guy that you count on. and provides veteran leadership that Cleveland needs now more than ever.....it would be stupid for them to get rid of him....
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Let me caution anyone wanting Maualuga as a top five pick..he's not..while he's a hitter..he doesn't have the best instincts...he should be in the 12 -17 range..if you go LB that high only Curry should be in that mix.
We really should attempt to drop down..
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I agree, but nobody seems to ever want to move up that far, I guess they don't want the salaries that come with a top 5 pick, and I can't blame them.....the contracts that rookies sign these days are ridiculous...but for as many hole as the Browns have, if they get an offer like that, I would take it.....
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I wonder if thats true..I've heard other teams wanted to move up in various drafts..our GM's somehow thought it wasn't enough to trade the pick.
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I'm not real sure...just kinda throwing that out there......you just usually see most of the 1st round trades starting around pick 10 or so.......I mean depending on the team, and say someone who has the 15th overall pick...for them to move up to 5, we would get what you think.....their 15th overall....and maybe a 3rd and a pick the following year...something like that would be worth it......
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I gotta think that Gross gets franchised, unless Carolina has someone else they can't bear to lose. He's a very good tackle that's producing a very good ground game.
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It's definitely b/w Maualuga and Curry. After that it's Malcolm Jenkins and Wells. I wouldn't draft either one of those though, b/c corners rarely have a big impact on how a defense performs. i.e. Broncos w/ Champ Bailey.
If we could put Curry @ MLB, and then draft another OLB like Clint Sintim (Virginia), Brian Cushing (USC), or Clay Matthews (USC), our defense would be a heck of a lot better.
I've been rethinking the Maualuga pimping, and I think Curry may be the best option. He has the size, and he is A LOT faster than Rey too.
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I gotta think that Gross gets franchised, unless Carolina has someone else they can't bear to lose. He's a very good tackle that's producing a very good ground game.
Yeah, that is very possible.....I was big on Chris Gamble too, and they have already re-done his deal I guess.....so, they probably will take care of him too......hope not though....... 
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It's definitely b/w Maualuga and Curry. After that it's Malcolm Jenkins and Wells. I wouldn't draft either one of those though, b/c corners rarely have a big impact on how a defense performs. i.e. Broncos w/ Champ Bailey.
That's a good point...I'm sitting here trying to think of a rookie DB that has come into the league...started.....and made a difference....the only one that I can come up with recently was Dunta Robinson....I know he came into the league and had 6-7 picks.....and quite a few tackles...but I'm not sure how well their defense was ranked......still thinking about that one........ 
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Agree on no CB in round one (unless we trade down)....If we were missing one to have a dominant defense, then I would say OK, but quality CB's are found every year in the lower rounds and usually perform as good or better then most 1st rounders. Too much protection/rules that favor the offense thus minimizing the impact true shutdown CB's can have.
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Yea in Robinson's rookie year he had 6 picks, 3 sacks and close to 90 tackles.. he hasn't had more than 2 picks in a season since and has only played about half of the last 2 seasons due to injury...
Just like most agree that without blocking, drafting a RB would be useless... well my opinion is that without a pass rush, drafting a corner would be equally useless...
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Still trying to think of another.......lol......... 
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Dion Sanders......?
I had thought about him..so I looked up his stats, and I guess since he kinda retired and came back, they don't show his tackles for his rookie year on NFL.com, he had 5 int's.......
I was also thinking about Charles Woodson...he too had 5 int's and a TD....
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Anthony Henry! 10 picks. Of course, he didn't start. 
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Ok, here is MY OPINION of how next years line-up MAY look.....as you can see, I don't see Cleveland making a roster purge, or cleaning house as some may call it. I'm thinking they will try to coach the players that they have, amke a few moves here and there. and run with it.......
QB = Brady Quinn
RB = Jereome Harrison / Jamal Lewis
FB = Lawerence Vickers
WR = Braylon Edwards . Joe Jurivicious
WR = Donte Stallworth (just cause of the cap hit) otherwise, package him up with DA and try to get some picks
TE = K2 (now that Savage is gone)
LT = Joe Thomas
LG = Eric Steinbach
C = Hank Fraley / Seth McKinney
RG = Ryan Tucker / Cedrick Dockery - 4th pick
RT = FA - Jordan Gross , Kevin Shaffer
DE = Corey Williams
DT/NT = Shaun Rogers
DT/NT = Shaun Smith
DE = FA - Terrell Suggs otherwise, Kamerion Wimbley
LOLB = Clint Sintim - 2nd pick , Alex Hall, Shantee Orr
ILB = D'Qwell Jackson, Beau Bell
ILB = Rey Maualuga / Aaron Curry - 1st pick / Leon WIlliams
ROLB = Aaron Curry - 1st pick ,Kamerion Wimbley (depending on FA), Alex Hall, Shantee Orr
LCB = Eric Wright, FA - Dunta Robinson (Need depth) , Travis Daniels
RCB = Daven Holley (UFA - will resgin to keep from having to fill this hole), if not Brandon McDonald
SS = Sean Jones (UFA - thinking they will re-sign)
FS = Brodney Pool / Mike Adams
KR/PR = Josh Cribbs
It's obvious that our 2 main needs are DB, LB.....With drafting Curry or Maualuga in the 1st, and Sintim in the 2nd, that would sure up our LB needs pretty well I think. If we take Curry in the 1st, it would almost makes sense that since he can play both OLB/ILB, to put him at OLB and let Leon Williams take the start at ILB....Since we don't have our 3rd, in the 4th I have saw us taking a G pretty much in every mock draft.....so that leaves us with DB. Holley is a UFA this year, and if we had the depth, I think we would not re-sign him. But, do the circumstances, I think he will end up staying. So, I think the Browns turn to FA to try and add some depth here. Dunta Robinson looks pretty interesting here...be nice to make a run at Nnamdi Asomugha , but I'm pretty sure Oakland will re-sign him...unless Al Davis is dumber than I thought. I know our O-line could use some help also, ther are a few FA's that Clevelnad may go after....I just hope that it doesn't turn out to be a Lecharles Bently part 2......Big contract, nothing to show for it..... Jordan Gross would be a great option,
kinda got off on another subject there........lol.....so anyways, any input about what the Brownies might do in the offseason or in the draft.........I went ahead and re-posted my original thoughts on what may happen.......with a few new ideas.......
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I know I will take some heat for this, and it is a risk, but I think that we need to trade BQ now while he still has good value, we could probably get a mid to late first rounder for him from either Chicago, Minnesota or even Tampa. I haven't been overly impressed with BQ in what I have seen from him, and I think he has bust written all over him, I could be wrong, but I see DA having a higher ceiling.
At the running back position Jamal is on the decline, but I think the main reason he struggled this year was because there was no vertical passing game to open up the run. Last year when our offense was rolling defenses couldn't stack the box, and he made defenses pay...this year they stacked the box, and he couldn't get a whole lot going. I think that we do need to go after a RB in this draft, but not until the the 4th round.
The wide receiver position is kind of tricky to project for next year, it all depends on whether or not Braylon can rebound and get back to playing like he did in 07, if he does that we are half way there. It is tough to rely on JJ to come back at 100 percent, but if he does we have our slot guy/3rd down guy. Then we have Donte Stallworth, I hope we cut him, but I am not sure with the cap hit would be so assuming he stays then we have a decent trio of receivers, if they are healthy. We really should look at getting a dependable vet receiever this offseason...someone the likes of Amani Toomer or Bobby Engram.
The O-line is ok, but we definitely need to address the right tackle and center position. Fraley is good with two good guards (Steinbach and Tucker) the problem is that Tucker is injured most of the time, so we need to draft Fraleys replacement for either this year or '10, but I think the priority should be improving at tackle. Lets face it...Shaffer isn't very good, he got bullrushed by 230 lbs lineman against the colts, I am not sure who is out there, but we need to improve there.
Assuming we stay in the 3-4 I think that our D-Line is good enough to get by with Robaire coming back, so we need to get at least 1, hopefully 2 impact linebackers. I think everyone can agree that we are probably going to take Curry or Maualuga with our first pick unless we trade down, so that takes care of 1. The other one could/would be acquired through free agency. I would love to get T. Suggs, but he won't come cheap so if we can't get him then James Farrior or Bart Scott are most likely cheaper options.
We also need to sign a vet corner. This years DB free agency pool is not that deep, but two guys that I think could come at reasonable price are Dunta Robinson and Phillip Buchanon.
At safety, Sean Jones is a free agent, and I wouln't mind having him back, but I wouldn't break the bank for him. Dawan Landry from Baltimore is a free agent and he could be a possible alternative.
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I've been rethinking the Maualuga pimping, and I think Curry may be the best option. He has the size, and he is A LOT faster than Rey too.
Very smart man. Rey is living on rep, almost in a James Laurahoweveryouspellit type style.
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I would love to have 3 of Baltimores starting defensive players, however I highly doubt that they will let all 3 go.....I venture to say that they may have to let 1 go without knowing there cap issues.....T. Suggs would be the most beneficial to us being that he can go either DE or LB......with getting hopefully Curry in the first and Clint in the 2nd....that would give us 2 quality LB's in the draft, and Suggs through FA.....that would make for a great start...giving us some depth at LB and DL, which we so desperately need......making a run at Dunta would also be a HUGE aqusition for the secondary.....as long as they re-sign Holly, would would be pretty good there as well......
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I wasn't saying that we are going to get all 3 of them, I was just saying that they are all going to be UFAs and they could be options
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I would hope that whoever comes in takes some time with our QB's, but if a move was to be made I imagine we definitely could fetch a mid-late first for Quinn. Two first rounders could do wonders for us....
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Trades.. Quinn/Wimbley/Schaffer-Detroit- for the #1 pick
Attempt to trade down out of #1 and pick up extra second.(Detroit has a #20 pick and 33) Washington might nibble on this knowing Snyder and a need to compete in that tough division. They would love to have a Crabtree or best rated OL.
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#5- Chris Wells
#13-Rey Maualuga
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#36-Clint Sintim
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RB = Chris Wells/ Harrison/ Lewis
FB = Lawerence Vickers
WR = Braylon Edwards . Joe Jurivicious
WR = Donte Stallworth (just cause of the cap hit)
TE = Winslow
LT = Joe Thomas
LG = Eric Steinbach
C = Hank Fraley / Seth McKinney
RG = Ryan Tucker / Cedrick Dockery - 4th pick
RT = FA - Jordan Gross
DE = Corey Williams
DT/NT = Rubin/ Shaun smith
DE = Shaun Rogers
LOLB = Clint Sintim - 2nd pick , Alex Hall, Shantee Orr
ILB = D'Qwell Jackson, Beau Bell
ILB = Rey Maualuga / - 1st pick / Leon WIlliams
ROLB = Cushing ,Alex Hall, Shantee Orr
LCB = Eric Wright, FA - Dunta Robinson (Need depth) , Travis Daniels
RCB = Daven Holley (UFA - will resgin to keep from having to fill this hole), if not Brandon McDonald
SS = Sean Jones (UFA - thinking they will re-sign)
FS = Brodney Pool / Mike Adams
KR/PR = Josh Cribbs
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Agreed...how awesome would it be to grab Curry with our pick, and then Maualuga, Cushing or Spikes with the other first rounder from the Quinn trade...our D would be set.
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Trades.. Quinn/Wimbley/Schaffer-Detroit- for the #1 pick
Note for the future: Stop yourself if your entire post relies upon the fact that you trade for the #1 pick.
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Then we wouldn't have a qb! It is going to be REALLY interesting how the new coach deals with the Anderson/Quinn debate!
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Then we wouldn't have a qb! It is going to be REALLY interesting how the new coach deals with the Anderson/Quinn debate!
Of course we would have a QB! I know I am in the minority but I feel more confident in DA then I do with Brady. And as far as the the new coach handling the quarterbacks...it all depends on what type of offense he wants to run, if it is a WCO then we go with BQ, but if it is an air it out type offense like 07 was then I think we go with DA.
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Note for the future: Stop yourself if your entire post relies upon the fact that you trade for the #1 pick.
Sometimes you just have to make it happen. You ever hear of " The Trade "? Jimmy Johnson built his dynasty during the 90's from doing something extremely creative and crazy. This by no means would be of that magnitude and scale, but the players he received and drafted was the foundation of the team. Johnson felt his team was so bad that only a blockbuster trade would help... We would have a seriously talented and young foundation for years.. I wonder what Dallas fans were saying about trading Walker..for a bunch of unproven draft picks?
There are only three teams that would need a QB in the top 15..Detroit, KC, SF. Every scouting report I read says Stafford and bradford need to develop. Kansas City will likely stick with Thigpen for this year, Detroit needs a face and a marketing tool, and much more. They will pay dearly for a QB that can sell tickets and get the ball to Calvin Johnson and Kevin Smith. They had Don Orlovsky back there. It is like a match made in Heaven, the only problem would be if anyone wants that pick, because they are drafting a need guy instead of best overall. Someone that is not that far away, and could use a Crabtree such as Seattle, Buffalo, Washington. Seattle might ask for Winslow...but think about how you could set your team up for years like Johnson did in the 90's. I would never be scared to trade a player because of star power if I had a chance to have a better team for years to come.
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We could, today, trade DA/Brady, Winslow and Kam and it would never equate to that level of picks.
I didn't know that we were the previous highest bidder in the HWalker sweepstakes. I REALLY am curious what we were offering and how that would have changed our history!
It's good to dream but the truth of the matter is that I don't think Winslow could get us better than a 3rd, DA a 3rd/BQ a 2nd and maybe a 3rd for Wimbley.
We have to weight what we can get now to help us relative to how badly we need that player and their long-term production in the brown and orange.
A previous poster hit it on the head...BQ is a West Coast QB.
Who knows? I'm so sick of being in this same debate every 3-4 years...if it isn't Couch/Holcomb, its DA/Quinn or another coaching change...JUST GET IT RIGHT!
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TRADE QUINN????? NUTZ!
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I must have missed something....trading for the 1st pick would not be in the best interest of the Browns...if anything, we should maybe trade down a few picks...I think we still get Maua..whatever...let's just go with Rey.....to damn early for that stuff...lol..... ....No way that we need anyone in the top 4 picks that bad.....also, I think that we have to many hole to fill as it is....let alone give away 4 players for a pick...I know that they may not be the best players, but we have alot invested in a couple of them.....and the needs at other positions should be taken care of 1st...I think....that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it..... 
"Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-
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6:38am!!  It's Saturday!  Of course, I've already made the Walmart run, mowed the entire lawn and cleaned both bathrooms today (yes, that's one of my duties) so I don't have much room to talk. Anyway, I like your original roster/lineup at the beginning. It's solid and very, very doable as far as draft/FA goes. It may not be SB contending, but a solid start without breaking the bank or getting "too old". Year 2 could bring OL and RB help and whatever final piece of the D that might be needed. I also agree that we do NOT ever move up from 5. We have/had too many top 5 pickes that we have paid or are still paying for. If anything, we see if we can move down 3-6 slots and pick-up another selection to replace our missing 3rd round pick.
Last edited by DawgDaddy2006; 01/03/09 01:38 PM.
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OK, this may be just some pipe dream that came floating along but isn't Albert Haynesworth a UNrestricted free agent because of a clause in his contract since he is going to the pro bowl?
If we were to sign that
Sean Rogers...Albert Haynesworth
Slobbering over the things the could do
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OK, this may be just some pipe dream that came floating along but isn't Albert Haynesworth a UNrestricted free agent because of a clause in his contract since he is going to the pro bowl?
If we were to sign that
Sean Rogers...Albert Haynesworth
Slobbering over the things the could do
If we were to go to a 4-3 defense, that would be a pretty stout front 4...but I doubt that we could afford him for one, and I imagine that we will stay with the 3-4 just cause most of the coaches out there run it.........but boy would that be something to have.....
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6:38am!! It's Saturday! Of course, I've already made the Walmart run, mowed the entire lawn and cleaned both bathrooms today (yes, that's one of my duties) so I don't have much room to talk.
yeah, Zac got up EARLY this morning....... 
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