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Give me Spagnuola (sp?) or Schwartz....i don't want another Belichick coaching tree.
"Schwartz got his start in the NFL doing research for Bill Belichick on the Cleveland Browns staff in the mid-1990s"
Yeah, let's draft a rookie based on potential and pass on the proven commodities........................for the FOURTH TIME!
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I'd put him on the Fisher tree, not Belichick. He may have gotten in through Belichick, but he cut his teeth with Fisher....
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I have two thoughts on the Cowher rejection.
It has been widely publicized that he wanted complete control of the organization. This morning John Clayton reported that Bill WAS interested in talking to the Jets until he learned that their front office was intack, with no plans to restructure it. Thus, Bill wouldn't have complete control and therefore says he won't coach in '09. Cowhers about face with the Jets provides another indication that Bill does indeed want complete control. I don't recall too many instances of success in the NFL where one man ran the entire operation...I only remember Holmgren failing in Seattle, and of course Botch. Cowher's quick decision regarding the Browns may indicate that Randy wasn't willing to give him, or anybody else, absolute control. Good for Randy!
Or, there has also been the rumor that he gave the Rooneys his promise that if he returns to coaching he wouldn't coach within the AFC North. Perhaps this was just CYA for Bill, since he told Randy no and said he wasn't interested in coaching in '09, then abruptly turns around and says he is interested in talking to the Jets. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen but it is a convenient out for the "chin."
Well, hopefully we get it right this time because the Browns fans here in Arizona are just about ready to start rooting for the Cardinals! Sad day when that happens indeed.
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Or, there has also been the rumor that he gave the Rooneys his promise that if he returns to coaching he wouldn't coach within the AFC North. Perhaps this was just CYA for Bill, since he told Randy no and said he wasn't interested in coaching in '09, then abruptly turns around and says he is interested in talking to the Jets. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen but it is a convenient out for the "chin."
It's not a convenient out.. I heard this 2 years ago when the Browns weren't looking for a new coach.
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Whose idea was it to ship Pennington down the road for Favre? Whoever that was is the one who should have gotten fired
Like you said,, that sounds like a front office decision,, not a coaching decision. Now look at the mess they are in.. Favre may not return.. and if he does, how much you wanna bet they don't find out until April 
And what's behind Favre..... Kellen Klemans who continually lost to DA in High School and College LOL Yup, that's the man.. then you have Brett Ratliff.... Sorry, but that's a mess I wouldn't want to inherit...
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I don't necessarily disagree with them getting rid of Pennington, sure, he's having a great year this year but in NY he was oft injured and only sporadically effective... but if you're a good young team with a good young coach, then you make some moves to try to get a good young QB.. you don't go after the aging prima donna that is Brett Favre.
I think they made that move as a knee jerk reaction to the Giants winning the super bowl because they didn't want to be the red headed step child in the NY media.. JMHO.
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Has this name been brought up yet? I'm not for it, just posting more speculation . . . http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/If Browns land Pioli, Ferentz could jump to NFL Posted: December 30th, 2008 At a time of year when there is as much speculation as information, consider this a merging of the two. If Cleveland succeeds in hiring New England’s vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli, then one of the names that would vault to the top of the Browns coaching search would be University of Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. Now granted, the Ferentz-to-the-NFL Watch is almost as much of an annual exercise as The Brett Favre Watch. In 2006, when a handful of NFL teams were searching for a coach, Ferentz had to squash any speculation that he would jump to the pros. It happened again in 2007, after Bill Cowher left Pittsburgh. Ferentz always has maintained he was extremely happy at Iowa, where he signed an extension in June 2006 to make him one of the highest paid coaches in college football. But Pioli’s potential presence in Cleveland would be enough to make Ferentz consider jumping to the NFL. He and Pioli are close, there is a tremendous mutual respect between the two, and Ferentz has made it known he never would leave Iowa unless it were for a perfect opportunity. Working with Pioli, back in the city where the two men became friendly in the early to mid 1990’s, could be that perfect opportunity. It’s speculation that Pioli lands the Cleveland job and then considers Ferentz. But it’s fact that Pioli and Ferentz have a strong enough relationship to make the scenario a realistic possibility.
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The ONLY college coach I would want is Urban Meyer. Only because he could fix our offense but other then that no way in hell should they sign a college coach. 
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My list.
Bill Parcells both HC and GM....
Eric Mangini (sp)
Jim Mora Jr.
Ron Rivera
Russ Grimm (maybe)
Not sure who else at the moment!
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Butch Davis 2.0
No thanks!
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I read this earlier today..Ferentz was also on Opie's first list of coaches..
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Schwartz...you may not like the name, you may not like the guy,
but he's gonna get an interview and he's gonna blow Lerner away!
Charisma out the whazzoo and highly, highly intelligent. Not to mention
pretty much a bad a#%.
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Yeah, Michael Smith on ESPN said Ferentz looks like he might be the frontrunner for our HC spot after we hire Pioli (foregone conclusion). I'm not sure what to think of that, he's a great coach but college coaches in the NFL have had marginal success....and Iowa has been kinda stinky the past couple years before their great finish in 2008. He does put a premium on the offensive line and the running game and having a good defensive front 7 though, so that can help. He can draft his RB Shonn Greene in round 2 and I'd like that though : )
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Schwartz...you may not like the name, you may not like the guy,
but he's gonna get an interview and he's gonna blow Lerner away!
Charisma out the whazzoo and highly, highly intelligent. Not to mention
pretty much a bad a#%.
Dark horse?
He's #1 or #2 on my list. He's a pretty relatively young coach too who really has the makings of a head coach.
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I dont think it would be wise to pick up a college coach. Big Mistake IMO.
If Spurrier can't make much of an impact.... who can?
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Yeah, Michael Smith on ESPN said Ferentz looks like he might be the frontrunner for our HC spot after we hire Pioli
I'm sure you know this, but every reporter until we actually hire somebody is gonna have thier front runner, based upon thier thoughts, not based upon anything else, When Randy say we've hired..... .......as our GM or Head coach than i'll believe it.
I have heard Randy wants do do this with in a couple weeks, So I wonder if that will leave Schawrtz out in Tennesse due to them being in the playoff and we cant interview until thier done, I guess if he's the man, the longer Randy waits the more it will point to him.
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I'm hoping we get Pioli as GM and he & Lerner BOTH interview all the good candidates, including Scwartz, Spag[Giants guy] & anyone else who is in the playoffs after they're done for the season.
I'm definitely not interested in Ferentz. MAYBE as a coordinator, but definitely not as head coach.
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Unless we're going to go with assts. who have been eleiminated from playoff contention or already have been canned or...gulp, keep the ones we have  we pretty much will wait until the SB is played or our targets team has been ousted. What will be Ferentz' ability to land quality assistants with little experience and so much time away from the pro game? Supposedly, Grossi, Donovan and Dieken said Schwartz has expressed interest and really wants this gig. I'm not sure he can say that but heck, if the cat is making noise and excited about us...I tend to get excited about that! With Pioli in place does the HC urgency go down a bit? Most of these guys know who they'd pick as coordinators long before they ever get the call. At least you'd think.
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we can (as Detroit did) ask permission to interview Schwartz this week since their team has a bye week. there are no reports we have done so though.
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Jut came across on all bets are off that Lerner is in NY talking to Mangini right now.....
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I guess I just don't get why Lerner is talking to potential coaches when he doesn't even have a GM in place?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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And for as much as we're hearing a Pioli/Mangini/Crennel mix you
can add in the Floyd Reese/Jim Schwartz tandem. Two more guys who have alot of experience together.
I can't see Lerner going with Ferentz which in turn may cause Pioli to hesitate.
Who knows!?
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I guess I just don't get why Lerner is talking to potential coaches when he doesn't even have a GM in place?
That's what I've been saying. Lerner and the GM BOTH need to be interviewing coaches.
But he & the King of Queens could just be chatting, nothing near close to an official interview.
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Yeah, and we'd still need to interview minority candidates.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I guess I just don't get why Lerner is talking to potential coaches when he doesn't even have a GM in place?
In all reality, Pioli will probably be in place by weeks end. Does Pioli really need to interview with someone who he worked with for multiple years in NE? I don't really think so.
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I guess I just don't get why Lerner is talking to potential coaches when he doesn't even have a GM in place?
In all reality, Pioli will probably be in place by weeks end. Does Pioli really need to interview with someone who he worked with for multiple years in NE? I don't really think so.
That's what I'm thinking. I wonder if Pioli made the suggestion to Lerner.
It's remarkable how quickly Lerner is moving, and he is just 48 hours from firing Savage...
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I would think to put the "bug" in their ear. Let them know he's interested.
The more I read about Schwartz from the Titans the more I like what he has to offer.
I keep hearing Mel Brooks saying, "May the Schwartz be with you!"
And that creates some interesting elements . . . would Pioli (if hired) like him too, would Schwartz keep the 3-4, if so, would he consider RAC's request? Would Mangini still come here in some capacity?
Lots' of variables . . . .
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Thats the only thing with Schwartz.. The Titans run the 4-3..
I'd like to keep the 3-4 considering we are only two LB's away from having a great defense.
Rey Maualuga and Clint Sintim.
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That's what I've been saying. Lerner and the GM BOTH need to be interviewing coaches.
But he & the King of Queens could just be chatting, nothing near close to an official interview.
Why would Pioli need to interview Mangini... they've known each other for years... going back to the Old Browns in the 90's.
Besides, Lerner has to interview these guys.. what if he puts all his eggs in the Pioli basket and Pioli says no..
There is an order to things, but sometimes, things present themselves out of order..., ya gotta go with the flow.
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well the one thing we can thank savage for is that we have a versatile roster enough to go 3-4 or 4-3 in one draft. personally, i'm more for 4-3 than 3-4 at this point because, if previous drafts show anything, it's just much easier to draft for a 4-3. further, i think jackson can really fly in a 4-3, not even mentioning the havoc the pair of williams and rodgers can unleash..
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I think Rich Mckay is someone who may be strongly considered for GM.
Also, look for Cowher to go to Denver as that should be attractive to him because of the amount of control he can have.
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I can't see Cowher going to Denver. The guy just bought a house on the east coast, NC I think.
Being married myself I can imagine the conversation he would have with his wife . . . "You expect me to give up the ocean and the beach for winter jackets and skis???"
I think the NYJ's will give him the money, the power, and all the media attention he needs . . .
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I hear his daughter is going to school in NY and the other works in NYC.
He's got a big ego. He'll enjoy the attention he's about to get.
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Just to add to the "Why would Savage talk to Mangini" answer ....... it never hurts to get all of the imput you can on how someone would fix/run your team/business.
Also ..... if Lerner meets with someone ..... and really gets bad vibes from him .... and his potential GM candidate insists that the guy in question is the way to go .... then maybe that GM candidate isn't the right one.
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Everyone is assuming Mangini is being interviewed to be the Browns HC.
It may be that Lerner is seeing if Mangini might be interested in the DC position.
Food for thought....
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Everyone is assuming Mangini is being interviewed to be the Browns HC.
It may be that Lerner is seeing if Mangini might be interested in the DC position.
Food for thought....
Who's the HC?
By doing that isn't it essentially what Savage did to Crennel?
I think the guy will get a HC offer here or elsewhere. There are more firings to come.
I also don't see Pioli in the mix if Shanahan is mentioned or vice versa.
Although, I do think alot of these "total control" guys would be much better coaches if they would JUST coach! (see Butch Davis)
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1) Cowher
2) Marty
3) Spagnuolo
4) a young, fast rising coordinator or position coach...I don't have any names.
NO REX RYAN...Buddy Ryan and Rob Ryan both are NOT head coach material...I doubt Rex falls too far from the tree. There's a reason the Ravens passed him when all the players wanted him.
GM: Pioli or Kevin Colbert
What, no Billick anymore?
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Yeah, and we'd still need to interview minority candidates.
Not sure if it has been posted anywhere, but Leslie Fraser of the Vikings fits that mold. SOLID, young ( I think he is around 40-45) black DC for a team that has a helluva defense. Fraser took over as the DC when Tomlin left Minnesota for the Steelers gig. I believe he was a top asst. under Dungy in Indy before coming to work for Childress...
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Everyone is assuming Mangini is being interviewed to be the Browns HC.
It may be that Lerner is seeing if Mangini might be interested in the DC position.
Food for thought....
So you interview for a DC BEFORE you have a GM or HC?
2+2=6 ????
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