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CLEVELAND -- The Indians have the needs.
But as tends to be the case for small- and mid-market teams in the high-priced and high-risk world of free agency, they don't have the dollars.

That's not to say the Tribe will be nonexistent in the free-agent aspect of the Hot Stove season, which kicks off in earnest Friday, when teams are officially able to bid on free agents from other clubs. Look for general manager Mark Shapiro and Co. to kick the tires on an assortment of players.

"We'll look at the impact those players make," Shapiro said, "as well as the value that we apply to them and the costs associated with them."

Even in a sagging national economy, the cost of free-agent ballplayers will always be high. So it would be unrealistic to expect the Indians to fill all their needs through signings.

Therefore, Shapiro and his staff will prioritize their needs, which include an infielder at third base, second base or shortstop, back-end relief help (preferably in the closer's role) and a third starter.

Plugs for those holes, of course, won't come cheap.

If the Tribe's first priority isn't to land an infielder, it should be. The team has learned it cannot reasonably rely on Andy Marte to man third or Josh Barfield to handle second.

The Indians have several options when it comes to filling their infield. If they find a second baseman, they can move Asdrubal Cabrera to short and Jhonny Peralta to third. If they find a third baseman, they can keep Cabrera and Peralta where they are. And they are not ruling out the possibility of finding a shortstop to bump Peralta or Cabrera to the hot corner, though that seems less likely.

Overall, the Tribe's flexibility and open-mindedness expands the club's infield options, but filling third base would be the least-complicated solution.

At third base, the club's free-agent options include Casey Blake, whom the Indians traded to the Dodgers in July, and Joe Crede, who has battled back problems and just had surgery.

As is the case with all their needs, the Indians might be best-served to try to fill their third-base hole through trade. The Rockies might make Garrett Atkins available, and the Astros might be dangling Ty Wigginton. The Indians were linked earlier this month to the Royals' Mark Teahen, but that rumor was refuted by both Shapiro and Royals GM Dayton Moore.



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At second base, the Indians have talked to the agents representing Orlando Hudson, but he will be a high-priced commodity this winter, regardless of his injury history. The rest of the second-base pool is decidedly weak.

Orlando Cabrera heads an equally weak shortstop market that also includes Rafael Furcal.

"In an ideal situation," Shapiro said, "third base would be the area we plug a guy in."

The Indians feel they can plug Jensen Lewis into the closer's role, if no more attractive options are nailed down. After all, Lewis himself nailed down 13 saves in as many opportunities after taking over the ninth-inning role Aug. 8. Left-hander Rafael Perez can also help out in the ninth.

But the Indians would nonetheless like to have more experience in the back end.

Forget about Brian Fuentes and Francisco Rodriguez. The Indians aren't likely to match the offers, in terms of both dollars and years, that those closers can get on the open market.

All-time saves leader Trevor Hoffman, who just turned 41, could be available after saving 30 games for the Padres, and Kerry Wood is a free agent after saving 34 games for the Cubs. If they don't re-sign with their respective clubs, the Indians will be getting in touch with their agents. Jason Isringhausen, who lost his closing job with the Cardinals and suffered an elbow injury late in the year, is another option.

The Indians will also be in touch with teams who might be willing to part with a closing candidate. That looks to be the case in Florida, where the Marlins are believed to be shopping Kevin Gregg, and in Oakland, where former closer Huston Street can be had for the right package.

In the end, the Indians will have to ask themselves if the price of a closer is worth it, or if they should stick with what was working at the end of '08 with Lewis.

"We're going to look to get better," Shapiro said, "and look to add very meaningful pitchers to the back end."

As for the rotation, the Indians would feel much more comfortable if they could add a quality starter for the third spot, behind likely American League Cy Young Award winner Cliff Lee and Fausto Carmona.

But they might have enough depth in the form of left-handers Dave Huff, Aaron Laffey, Scott Lewis, Jeremy Sowers and Zach Jackson and right-hander Anthony Reyes to get by. So it doesn't appear as though the No. 3 starter is a top priority when it comes to financial commitment.

Still, should the Indians go that route, their options might include the likes of Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia and Braden Looper.

"We have a lot of [internal] alternatives," Shapiro said. "But I'd feel better if we had one more experienced top-of-the-rotation guy."

Chalk that up as a need the Indians might not have the dollars to satisfy.

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The Indians need to make something happen, via trade or free agency. I already heard Shipiro making excuses about how much money they have saved by letting go CC, Blake, Micheals, and Byrd. He said current players will make more, and about spending money on the farm players. From the looks of it, the indians appear to be on the cheap again.

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But as tends to be the case for small- and mid-market teams in the high-priced and high-risk world of free agency, they don't have the dollars.




Lets see they make you sick because they don't take in the same kind of cash as the big market teams.....ummm OK


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Lets see they make you sick because they don't take in the same kind of cash as the big market teams.....ummm OK






Or maybe it's because they dont throw billions of dollars at over hyped, I had one good year in my 10 year career players, or maybe it's the fact they've put together one of the best farm clubs in baseball with many excellent players who if on another team would be in the bigs...not sure.

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If only we would blow all kinds of money of shiny free agents, like Seattle and Detroit did ... we could be sitting around the .400 mark, instead of the .500 mark. Stupid management.

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maybe it's the fact they've put together one of the best farm clubs in baseball with many excellent players who if on another team would be in the bigs



What??? So they are the best of the minor leaguers, but they can't supplant those on the parent club that just went .500?

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What??? So they are the best of the minor leaguers, but they can't supplant those on the parent club that just went .500?





Common Shep, you know more about baseball than that, Having excellent talent in the minors as we do dosent mean thier ready now and all at the same time.

and as for the Indians going .500 after all thier injuries this club battled thru and with the trading of C.C. or $.$. as he's now called, this team had a pretty good year, I didnt see one guy stop playing either, something we all saw out of Detroits high priced players, an even New Yorks players.

I do think it's been proven over the last few years a team dosent need a huge payroll to win, just spending wisely on whats availible. Torornto is despertly trying to get out from under BJ Ryans contract, sometimes throwing money at the problem dosent fix the problem it just opens up other problems on your team.

I'm not a big fan of the idea of Jenson Lewis going into the season as our closer, but really what is out thier WE can afford. honestly, we cant compete with alot of the bigger market clubs, it's a fact we just cant. If we toss all our $$ at a closer K-rod, I do think we have enough talent in Columbus to fill other holes we might have in the starting rotation or 3rd Base, but is that the way to go.

I get tired of people expecting our owner to spend money like Stienbrenner or the Mets or the dodgers, we cant, we just cant.

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I get tired of people expecting our owner to spend money like Stienbrenner or the Mets or the dodgers, we cant, we just cant.




No doubt. This team can contend in 2009 without adding top 10 free agent. We had CC when he was struggling, Carmona was hurt almost all year, VMart and Hafner essentially contributed nothing and we traded Casey Blake and CC at the midpoint. This team finished with an amazing 2nd half and almost caught Chicago/Minnesota. The Tribe is still in good shape.

As far as our payroll for next year, I can totally understand if they pull back a bit. The economy will make it harder for people to come out to the Prog, so they HAVE TO plan for that. If they go nuts this offseason and people don't show, it will cripple this franchise.

The Indians have proven they can contend by having the 2nd or 3rd highest payroll in our division. Why should we follow Detroit's example?


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Who you calling poor


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Don't blame her, she's just using bungle logic like medwoman in the shack.

Her Reds suck and since the Tribe didn't make it to the playoffs, they must suck too. But what she is forgetting is 81 > 74.


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You, after buying me beer.

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Common Shep, you know more about baseball than that, Having excellent talent in the minors as we do dosent mean thier ready now and all at the same time.




The post said if they were on another team they would be in the bigs.....so, to me, that means they cannot supplant those on their own big league team even though this team just went .500. Indians fans are so terrible at rationalizing.....and that's ridiculous considering the practice they have had at it since 1948.

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I do think it's been proven over the last few years a team dosent need a huge payroll to win




Yeah, we just saw the Phillies (#13 payroll) and the Rays (#29-next to last payroll) meet in the World Series. How 'bout that.....

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Kinda proves my point....

I do think teams have to be carefull on whom & what position they do spend the most money on.

bottom line for ME is ya field the best team you can with the money you can spend and hope for the best. It's a long season and the team who survies with a limited amount of injuries and problems added in a huge amount of luck normally come out ahead.

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Yeah, we just saw the Phillies (#13 payroll) and the Rays (#29-next to last payroll) meet in the World Series. How 'bout that.....





Kinda proves my point....

I do think teams have to be carefull on whom & what position they do spend the most money on.

bottom line for ME is ya field the best team you can with the money you can spend and hope for the best. It's a long season and the team who survies with a limited amount of injuries and problems added in a huge amount of luck normally come out ahead.



Yeah I love the excitement of free agency. I'm really hoping that now that the NFL owners have opted out of the CBA that we can get some real FA action in football.Imagine the thrill of winning a super bowl with the lowest payroll in the league

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Having excellent talent in the minors as we do






Should read "as we DID"

Are farm system isnt as deep as it used to be. Its by no means dried up, but I don't know if Id call it excellent. The trades this past year definitely helped though.


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I am not sick about the fact that we don't have a large payroll. I am sick about the fact that we have all of this money from C.C, Casey, and Byrd and we aren't going to spend it. Is Derek Lowe, Orlando Hudson and Brian Fuentes too much to ask?


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You, after buying me beer.




I think your enjoying the fact that I owe it to you, more than you will actually enjoy drinking it


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Probably. How do you feel about Russel Branyan & Ray Durham instead?
Better yet Aaron Boone he could play second and third.

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Jules...Hows the Washington D.C. Reds looking this year or is it the Cincinnati Nationals....

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ahhh Reds, Bengals same thing


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