DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Time outs after big plays.

Ever notice how many times teams have to call TO after a big gainer? We're certainly not immune to it. It almost seems to be a flaw in the product design.

Perhaps extra time should be allotted to plays of over 30 yards or so. Maybe the official just doesn't signal the start of the play clock for 5 seconds or so.
It just takes too much time for all the guys to get down-field, get huddled and get the play off.

True, but thats when the Offensive coordinator tells DA to use armband number 5. DA figures it out, and calls it immediately when they get to the huddle. It takes discipline IMO, and thats it. Focus on getting to the next play, and getting it off.

Not saying it's not difficult, but it's not impossible.

A major part of the problem is the celebration afterwards,...

Get your ass back to the huddle.

Yup. The after play celebration is part of the problem...but it just seems like the shortened play clock was done with the 5 or 10 yard plays in mind. Especially later in the games, the linemen expect to use the time between plays to catch a breather...not to have to sprint down the field.

Many time outs are TV time outs, they have to get reporter, sound guys rearranged and this also give the players a breather, kinda works for both. Camera guys dont have to be rearranged during this, there everywhere, one camera stops another one picks up the action.

That's a good twist on this issue,....I really hate TV timeouts when you're at the (a) game,...they definitely are "flow-changers." If the linemen get rest, then that's a good thing,...but I thought all these steroids and drugs would keep you in good enough shape to withstand all of this millionaire pressure,....

Aside from celebration, the OC probably needs to be better in tune to pick a follow-on play in anticipation of a successful "biggie." You got the QB on a helmet radio, so that's not an excuse, and there's a plethora of plays on these armbands with your backup QB giving signals.

It didn't cost the Browns the game though.

I think there's no need to add extra time. It's the same for all teams and that makes it fair.

I understand that it's the same for all teams. That is stated in the very first sentence in this thread. Now, I understand it's not a 'hot topic'...but it's something that I've noticed that occurs almost predictably.

When the play clock time was lowered, the amount of celebration time after a big play was not. As a matter of fact, celebration time has been escallating over the years.

Years ago, nobody celebrated making a first down. Now guys feel like they've got to play official and signal first down. Or they have to strut around nodding their head or pounding their chest. That stuff doesn't turn me on...but the kiddies like it...and it gets the camera to stay on the player longer...and since the players are now greater than the team, it's not going to end. (just think of what fantasy football has done to put the player above the team - BTW, I won my game this week )

It's a combination of the individual celebrating, good ol' fashion team celebration (THAT I don't mind) and the fact that there's not as much time for tired linemen to get way downfield, congratulate the player, get huddled, lined up, then the QB and the center have to point to the middle of the defense...AND THEN snap the ball.

The only time somebody should be celebrating is after a score that keeps you ahead or puts you ahead. It should be all business other than that.

Everything is camera time nowadays. Sportscenter highlights etc.
It will just keep getting worse. Every generation does something different than the last one and they don't like it because that's not how they did it.

It's a never ending circle.

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A major part of the problem is the celebration afterwards,...

Get your ass back to the huddle.

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I agree. Imagine the advantage a team would have if everyone returned immediately to the huddle or to the LOS for no-huddle. If we could forget about the goofy chicken dances or slamming the ball over the uprights, maybe we could focus on winning or getting fewer penalties.

I can see the hi-fives and general celebrations but all the gimmick stuff is getting old. I've seen a couple TD's this year where players with significant leads going into the end zone were closed on because of the Primetime tributes. STUPID.

And celebrating a good play when you’re down a ton on the scoreboard... WTF? Celebrate the W's but not until then.

It probably helps with momentum changing but I could definitely live without all the showboating celebrations.

First and foremost, the celebration and yip-yap after every play wastes so much time. that may solve alot of this

A couple ideas my bro and I were thinking.

First you need to run the next play with the same personel. You cant be subbing in a different package. You would have a "fire" play call after a long play, similar to a spike play call. Simple formation. Or even a draw play out of the three wide set.


In college ball, you see the qb to head to the sideline after heaving the long ball to grab the next play. Sometimes before the play is finished. Different timig rules though. But I have seen some teams do this. pittspuke does this with craplessburger.

Let the qb take control. let him call some of the plays at the line. Same formation, audible.


None of this will work for us.

A. our qb is slow, so none running for him.

B. we cant run a two minute drill, how can you expect them to run a quick play after a big gainer.

C. Our qb/coaching staph takes 10 seconds to get the playcall to qb sneak on thrid and inches in the two minute drill. After the play comes in we have to huddle.

D. our offense cant get it right(false starts, illegal formation/shifts) when they have time to set up.

thanks for posting pork loin. I notice that you don't do much of that.

With QB's having radios in their helmets, there's almost no excuse for not having a play to run. Unless he's too busy hoopin' & hollerin' to hear it or the OC is too busy patting himself on the back for the call he just made.

You're right, you would probably want to run a play with the same personel that you had on the field to speed things up. Of course, if you were in a 4 or 5 wide set and the play ended on the one you might want your jumbo package.

I don't think they'll be letting refs wait a few seconds before winding up the play clock so teams (actually it's the Browns that matters to us) will just have to get better at getting the next play off.

As you said, the celebration and yip-yap will have to end sooner.
The linemen will have to hustle their butts down the field.

Having 'fire' plays is a good idea...but how many can you have for each package of players you might have in the game? But 'fire' plays would also aid in other ways...for instance, you want to quickly run a play to avoid a challenge of your last big play. Or you wanna catch the opponent offsides while substituting THEIR players.

It just has to become a priority to save time outs and get the next play off.

I love the direction this thread has just taken, 'Vette. (And props 2 U, pork loin...)

More and more, you see situations in which the attacking O can take advantage of the temporary chaos that ensues after a big gain. It's part of the reason why 2-minute or "hurry-up O's" seem to move the ball so well.

I see no reason why teams shouldn't fit this mindset into their general gameplan and start drilling for it in training camp.

Browns were supposed to be this high-powered offense (after our games last year), and this could be a great wrinkle to add into the arsenal- a wrinkle that could do a couple things:

add to the potentially potent offense we already can generate (at times... like in the Giants game..)
be used as a momentum-changer, if thing are going roughly (as in the Wash game...)



It doesn't have to be used all the time, but it should be considered. Think of it. A big strike for 20-30+ yards, followed by a scripted 15-20 yarder immediately after. [shudders]

Talk about a "quick-strike offense"... 4--50 yards chewed up in 2 plays. Could be game (or at least momentum) changing.


It all hinges on the discipline you instill in your team. If players are more interested in e-spin "face time," than they are scoring for the team, it'll never work. You'll need true professionals out there with their heads in the game at all times.

..but it can work.