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I am curious how many this is affecting but as of right now the local NBC affiliate WDTN and Time Warner can't play nice together. Thought to some this might be a major issue, really it isn't too me, but am curious on how far this "blackout" is affecting.

Oh and this is affecting you, are you also see HBO family in place of NBC?

I think they will have this issue hashed out soon, but like I stated wonder how many this is affecting.

We have to use the antenna when we want to watch something on that channel. I don't know much about the negotiations and what's holding up the agreement but, my guess is that the Time Warner folks are greedy bastards.

Yes, we see HBO Family in place of NBC. All I want to know is why are 7.1 and 7.2 having digital issues? Both of those channels are scrammbly ( ) for me.

Our 7.1 and 7.2 are fine so I would guess that it's on your end (most likely time warner's side) I have noticed that since we got the HD box from them our pictures at times are not worth the hassle, but it is what it is, can't control it so I don't complain, but can't wait till all the bugs are worked out.

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Yep they are in negotiations now, I figure they will hash something out soon, I am reading some articles on the situation now and all basically are the same fluff, off the air, discussions. No real update since Monday and that wasn't much. It is what it is.

Last week in Buffalo they didn't get to see their game. The cable company did pass out free rabbit ears. Local station make all their money on the local news. It won't be long till people just forget about that station. Time Warner will win.

Other than news, I don't see a need for local stations anymore. Have 1 local news station, make ABC, NBC, and CBS into regular cable stations.


We have have 5 local stations that each have a news department, and they all have the same stories. In fact NBC and ABC are owned by the same conglomerate and share resources, during hurricanes the host/anchors all join in one studio and broadcast the shows on both stations.

Here in Shelby County where i live we are without channel 2 (WDTN) and another station, out of Indiana, that 2's parent company owns.

I get 40 local channels for free from the converter box!

With the economy and the way Time Warner has been treating it's customers I can see a lot of people trying it my way.