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Let's not start the injury talk already. All teams have them. So far, we haven't lost a "star" player  We lost a kick returner. A great kick returner, but still a kick returner. (Cribbs) We lost a Right Guard (who was worse than our back-up RG who will be playing now). (Hadnot) A receiver, who with the addition of Stallworth, was going to basically be a #4 option behind Edwards, Stallworth, and Winslow. (JJ) A linebacker, who we didn't have healthy most of last year, anyway. (Peek) A corner, which is our only devastating injury. But also one we've known about for months, and were still optimistic afterwards (Holly) And a starting safety. That will hurt. But, he's not a reason to throw the season away just yet (Pool). I guess even with all the injuries, I don't see a reason for all the negativity.
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I don't see how saying our schedule is MUCH tougher this year and we'll have to be a LOT more consistant to ever match last years win total is "pessamistic". But to each their own. 
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Starting off the 2007 season, we were supposed to have a pretty tough schedule with opponents having a . 508 winning percentage from 2006. Our strength of schedule this year is supposed to be .547.
Our strength of schedule last year ended up being only .429 (and that's with the 16-0 Patriots on the schedule last year).... Which is .079 lower than what it was "supposed" to be. Let's say the same hold true this year, our strength of schedule goes from .547 to .468.
You do also realize that the fact that we beat more teams, lowered our end of season strength of schedule last year right? If we would have won 4 games instead of 10, our end of season strength of schedule would have looked more like .46 instead of .43...
Anyway, as somebody else pointed out, it's just a measure and until teams get on the field, it's the only measure you have... discussing it and debating is little more than an academic exercise anyway so why get worked up about it?
It's like a college team that wins 11 games one year, loses their starting QB, WR, RB, 2 OL and half the defense to graduation and the draft and is then ranked #2 in the next preseason poll... it really doesn't mean much.
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Can you tell me which of these teams you feel have suffered a "major downgrade" over last season Top?
Steelers - continued Oline woes from last season, including loss of Faneca, punter on IR
Cowboys - lost 3, 4, and 5 WRs
Giants ( lost Shockey and two DL players ) - you said it
But looked impressive last night. - I didn't see the game, but it sounds like the only player who did much of anything was Brandon Jacobs, and this is against a team who probably wouldn't make the playoffs if their backup QB didn't lead them to victories in their last four games.
Jacksonville - don't follow them, OLman in critical condition after being shot several times might have a mental toll
Denver - don't follow them
Colts - Jeff Saturday out indefinitely, rookie center snapping to Peyton
Eagles ( with a healthy McNabb ) - bad WR situation, how long McNabb stays healthy is the question, he hasn't played a full season since 2004
Just my $.02
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The Giants D held Washington to seven points. Is Jacobs on their D?  Yeah, the Steelers OL hasn't looked good for a couple of years. But they still beat us twice last year. But you seem to dismiss the signing of the C, Hartwig. Jacksonville? Back up OL criticaly shot. If their starter goes down it could mean trouble for them. And if you want to talk injuries? You'd have to add ours into the equasion as well. Point being, in the overall scheme of things, these teams made "additions" too.
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Here is the funny thing when you pull out that "we only won one game against .500 teams!" stat.
Last year we played : Pitt, Pitt, Pats and Sea as the teams over .500
Everyone who played against the Pats last year lost. We beat Seattle. So it comes down to Pittsburgh again, who we know we have to beat.
While somewhat concerning, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say we will win more than one game against +.500 competition this year.
SOS is way too overrated.
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Come on now, the 'Skins offense was downright pitiful last night. I'm not saying the Giants aren't good, but they're very beatable, especially if Eli continues to make decisions like he did yesterday (threw at least 3 balls that should have been picked). I'm also not sold on teams like Denver and Philly. Sure our schedule is tough but it's not THAT tough.
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Were playing the past 3 superbowl champs. At least we dont have pittsburghs schedule.
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Aw c'mon now, it ain't that bad. Except that they have the Chargers and the Pats for our games vs. the Bills and Denver, they're exactly the same !!
They'll be 14-2 behind only the 16-0 Browns.
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The Giants D held Washington to seven points. Is Jacobs on their D?
If the last 2 games of preseason and this week, the Skins have been outscored a combined 87 to 13.....
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It's a measuring stick, though the overall winning percentages mean less to me personally than do the teams themselves and their personnel. It comes down to match-ups and execution. For example, you can look at Pit's winning percentage and that paints one picture. Look at their O-line, that paints another. Look at Ben, or the continuous success of their D and they paint another, or look at our record against them and that paints an entirely different picture altogether. Also you have to consider that whatever can be said about what the other teams may face, (as far as doing better or worse than expected,) applies to us as well. Whatever picture you want to look at, at the end of the day, no matter what is said, IMO those will be two very tough games for us.
Beyond our division, the Giants, Washington, Dallas, Philly, Jacksonville, Houston, Indy and Tennessee all look like tough games to me, so say what you will about winning percentages, this still looks like a difficult schedule. Like it or not, strength of schedule is a factor, however you want to determine it. Just ask New England if they would rather have their schedule or ours.
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I would like to add this to the debate,
Pit, how many of those teams that were under .500 at the end of last season were over .500 the previous season? How many were playoff teams the previous season? How can you know what teams we play this year that were over .500 last year are actually going to be under .500 at the end of this year?
IMO, SOS is just another tool used by writers to have something to talk about before the season. Say Pittsburgh beats the teams considered the toughest on their schedule this year, and loses to the easier teams, wouldn't that diminish their so called toughest schedule at the end of the year?
And what if Favre turns the Jets into a 11 win team and the Giants end up at 8-8? So much for the preseason SOS garbage.
I would also like to add that the NFC east didn't play the AFC north last year, so how can anyone say with certainty that the NFC east is definately a stronger division. I mean those teams beat some pretty bad teams last year just as the Browns and Steelers did.
My point is at the end of the year this year, if the Browns beat the whole NFC east, how would the SOS look then?
IMO it means nothing.
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What about the Bears of 2006? If you played them 16 times, you might lose all 16. But, if you played them 16 times in 2007, you might win all 16. That's my point.
 Could one of the reasons be that they had a tougher schedule in '07?
...and who's to say that we can't be the 2007 Bears this year? (God forbid, please)
Who you have to play makes a big difference. Now obviously some teams are not going to live up to expectations while others far exceed. The hope is that OUR opponents turn out to be lambs.
SOS doesn't mean a whole lot right now (it's just info for making educated guesses) but it means a whole lot at the END of the season. Usually resulting in negative outcomes for us.....out of the playoffs, or a team that we beat and finished with the same record as, picks before us in the draft.
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I agree SOS is bull, however, any time you play the NFC East and AFC South, plus you add in 2 games with Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincy (I know Baltimore and Cincy are no good but any division game is going to be tough) it is going to be a tough season..
We could go 8-8 or 9-7 and be a much improved team...
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Depending on "Which" Browns show up, we can play with anyone...
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The Giants D held Washington to seven points. Is Jacobs on their D?
Yeah, the Steelers OL hasn't looked good for a couple of years. But they still beat us twice last year. But you seem to dismiss the signing of the C, Hartwig.
Jacksonville? Back up OL criticaly shot. If their starter goes down it could mean trouble for them.
And if you want to talk injuries? You'd have to add ours into the equasion as well.
Point being, in the overall scheme of things, these teams made "additions" too.
Yeah, all of those teams made upgrades in spots as well, but he didn't ask about those. It was stated that none of those teams downgraded in any way, which is simply not true.
RE: The Redskins...word is that their offense looked pathetic, and I imagine it will continue to look subpar as long as Jason Campbell is under center...you know, their current starting QB, who went 5-7 last season before being injured.
RE: The Jaguars...if one of your co-workers was shot and close to dying, would it have any sort of impact on you mentally? Maybe, maybe not.
Re: The Steelers...Justin Hartwig isn't going to magically make Ben's sack total drop below 40.
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I think its ridiculous as well. I mean, strength of schedule garbage is predicated on a team performance last year along with their improvements on paper.
SOS is not based in any way on any improvements made on paper; it is based solely on the previous season's record of the team's opponents on this year's schedule.
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SOS is not based in any way on any improvements made on paper; it is based solely on the previous season's record of the team's opponents on this year's schedule.
Yeah, we know Shep,, and without the ability to take into consideration all the improvements or personnel losses, it can't be accurate.. not to mention, guys have good years and bad years all the time.
That's why it's fine to use it as a talking point, but to put all the weight on this, well, doesn't make any sense.
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The main problem that I have with SOS is that it can't predict injuries! Let's look at a couple of teams. We see what Indy has with Sorgi at QB ('nuff said). What happens to the Almighty Pats if Brady & Moss go down? Injuries are the true test as to SOS. JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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