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It's Not About Killing; It's About Hunting
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When the hunt is over and my game bag is empty, I'm still thankful for the day I've had.

There's an unfortunate mindset in the average American that success is measured by counting things -- the number of home runs we can hit in a season, the speed with which we can finish a crossword puzzle, the number of tacky bowling trophies we can accumulate on the mantel.

Further, there's only one winner in these types of endeavors; everybody else was just there. Sammy Sosa hit 66 home runs in that dramatic 1998 baseball season, six more than Ruth hit in 1927, and five more than Maris hit in 1961, but I'll bet most of you didn't remember the number until I reminded you of it just now. Outside the Dominican Republic, Mark McGwire is the only name on anybody's lips. And I'll bet you can't even tell me how many homers Ken Griffey, Jr. hit that same year. (It was more than 50, but it proves my point even more strongly that I don't know the number, either.)

That way of thinking carries over into the outdoor arena as well. If a fisherman doesn't come in with a full livewell, he thinks he's had a lousy trip. If a squirrel hunter doesn't get eight squirrels every time out, he comes in with a frown and a vague feeling of incompletion. If a turkey hunter . . . ah, you get the point, I'm sure.

Like I said, I know some of these people. I used to be one of them, in fact. If my game pouch wasn't bulging when I got back home, I was a grumpy, incomplete soul. I felt like a failure.

But somewhere along the line it slowly soaked into my brain that killing isn't the object of a hunting or fishing trip. Rather, it's the vehicle that allows us to justify and indulge in these activities in the first place.

Face it. When you strip all the feathers off it, hunting and fishing are remarkably inefficient, expensive ways of putting meat on the table. There are exceptions. I could step out my back door right now and pot four or five half-tame gray squirrels in 2 minutes time, or I could go out there at daylight Saturday morning and kill two or three yearling does that have been showing up almost every day. But basically, wild meat is an expensive and troublesome commodity to procure. Put the pencil to it, factor in your gun, ammo, gasoline, hunting club dues, camo clothes and most of all your time, and you quickly realize you could be eating prime rib and caviar at every meal for less than you're spending on duck breasts with steel shot in them.

But what of it? When a hunter or angler finally realizes that it's not the kill, but the quest that's important, all those thoughts of expense and inconvenience go away.

"One does not hunt in order to kill," wrote the Spanish philosopher and hunter Jose Ortega y Gassett in his book Meditations on Hunting. "On the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted." I wish I'd come up with those words myself, but all I can do is plagiarize them because Gassett wrote them a half-century ago.



"One does not hunt in order to kill," wrote Jose Ortega y Gassett. "On the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted."

Gassett got it right, too. The kill -- or, often, just the possibility of the kill -- is the glue that binds all the wonderful things that make up a hunting or fishing trip: the camaraderie (or the solitude, depending on what you need at the time); the calm that comes over you in the wild places; the recharging of spiritual batteries; the challenge of pitting your senses against those of a critter whose senses are much better; the feeling of becoming a working link in the food chain.

That sounds pretty sappy, I guess, if you don't get it. Call me silly if you want, but you'll be showing your own shallowness, not mine. Gassett knew and appreciated these things, and I know and appreciate them, too. I hope you know and appreciate them as well, because until you do, you'll never learn to fully appreciate and enjoy hunting and fishing. The blood is important, but it's only a symbol of the thing itself.

Like I said, I know a lot of hunters and anglers who don't understand this. I know them, but I can't relate to them, and because I can't relate to them, I don't hunt and fish with them. Nor do I count them among my friends. I'm not unfriendly, but I'm pretty damn picky.

It's not about killing. It's about hunting.


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So hunting isn't about killing. Just who is he, and you, trying to convince?

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I was thinking the same thing.

Tell that to the people who hunt to feed their families...not the ones who hunt for sport on a full stomach!


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I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything, People can believe what they want, not up to me to try to convince them of anything, Just wanted to pass on a nice artical about why some of us, enjoy hunting whether we get something or not it's just being outside....

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Pssst, you can enjoy the outside without killing things.

I've read your posts for years. Your favorite stories are about killing animals. You enjoy it, just don't pretend you don't.

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I love the idea of being outside with my friends and family . I love the feeling you get when you have that feeling of being part of nature . I love the comraderie involved and the stories and lessons that hunting teaches you . I love all of those things but to be honest I also love the the power that you have in your hands when you are looking through the sights at your prey . It is very fleeting but there is an almost Godlike power that flashes the instant you pull the trigger and your prey goes down. Maybe that is too primordial for some and it certainly is not the exclusive reason I love the hunt but it does play a very ,very small part .

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I hunt to kill that which I am hunting...big deal. I don't go into the woods crazed to kill just anything. I don't freeze, get wet etc. to walk away saying, "gee, that was swell"! I want to succed when I hunt.

I enjoy the outdoors, I enjoy hunting. If someone disagrees that's their opinion and they're welcome to it. It's not for everyone for sure. We're to be responsible stewards of the earth and letting herds multiply and starve is not good stewardship.

Beside, there's nothing better to eat than a good venison tenderloin. Nothing!

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I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."

And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL."
And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."



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Don't get thrown in jail there for creating a nuisance.

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I don't hunt, my son-in-law does but he has a self-imposed rule to eat what he kills. I think hunting is like many other things, a few bad apples spoil the reputation of many. Good article, if all hunters had the author's attitude it would much more enjoyable listening to their stories.

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I wonder if Alice was a killer...


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Good read Clay. And I agree.

I do hunt to kill, but I also kill so I can hunt. I go for the food, it's my best excuse. But it's also about spending time in the camp with my dad and friends. Laughing at Jimmy because he smells and can't get within a country mile of a deer. Driving 25 hours to be on the land that I grew up hunting in Ohio and meeting new folks at the diner that I'll probably never run into again. I go because I like it. Even the wet days. Even the cold rainy days. (Hello last years opening day).


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Because you don't understand or agree, he has to be a moron? Shows me what to think of you more than you know.


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Have you ever watched the sunrise from a treestand, stood in a stream watching the mist rise while a deer stops down for a drink, had a bear climb up the tree you were sitting in, zoom across a smooth as glass lake, watched a great horned owl sitting on a limb from 30 feet, helped your son bait his first hook, sit around camp shooting the breeze with your buddies, get buzzed by a bald eagle or watched an incoming storm complete with water spouts from the middle of the lake? I've done all these on outings where the game bag or fish cooler was empty at the end of the day. I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. I also wouldn't have those memories if I weren't hunting or fishing.

If anyone thinks that being in the woods or on the water with their kids is meaningless unless they actually kill something, they are missing out big time.


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Ive been a big turkey hunter for year's, and have guided many people on hunts for their 1st. tom, I allway's have a saying that I tell them.
A good day is hearing a bird.
Agreat day is hearing one , then seeing one.
But the worst day is the harvest, The hunt is over,So injoy the time we spend in the wood's today.

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At least you're big at something.


Trying to explain hunting to non-hunters is as futile as them trying to explain to me why I shouldn't or how it is bad.


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Have you ever watched the sunrise from a treestand, stood in a stream watching the mist rise while a deer stops down for a drink, had a bear climb up the tree you were sitting in, zoom across a smooth as glass lake, watched a great horned owl sitting on a limb from 30 feet, helped your son bait his first hook, sit around camp shooting the breeze with your buddies, get buzzed by a bald eagle or watched an incoming storm complete with water spouts from the middle of the lake? I've done all these on outings where the game bag or fish cooler was empty at the end of the day. I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. I also wouldn't have those memories if I weren't hunting or fishing.

If anyone thinks that being in the woods or on the water with their kids is meaningless unless they actually kill something, they are missing out big time.




Excellent!

Of course he hasn't done any of this and that's OK if it's not his cup of tea!
This, unfortuneatly is the road these states have been on for a few years,
"I don't think like you so your a moron". It permeates our government and pits citizens against one another every day. Really If some of us hunt and harvest
does it warrant others to instantly drop labels on us!?

I see posting here all the time of things peolpe enjoy or activities they partake in, some that I have no interest in at all but wouldn't consider sticking it to them for what they enjoy.

Hunting is a legal activity but like anything there are yo-yos out there who give it a bad name. (You still watch the NFL!) There are those of us who follow extremely strict safety and ethical guidelines when taking game, the way you should hunt by the way.

Ease up already! You don't care or believe in hunting make your point, I respect that. Don't post like every hunter is a slobbering, maniac itching to pull the trigger at anything that moves in the wood! A little education on the subject might be helpful.

I don't think you'll see any of the pro hunting posters I've read here stalking big game down your street putting families at risj ant time soon!

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Never been hunting but I am willing to give it a "shot". ....Taking the safety course this fall...... I WANT VENISON......


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Trying to explain hunting to non-hunters is as futile as them trying to explain to me why I shouldn't or how it is bad.




Not always.

I don't hunt, but I don't mind people that do. It is a sport, a challenge. It's you versus nature, at the same time see natures beauty in place and ways that the average person will never see. As long as a hunter is following the regulations, and not just out shooting stuff for target practice, I have no issues with it myself.

PS: could you all come shoot some armadillos, they are tearing up my plant beds.


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No doubt. I should have said trying to explain to to the people who are against hunting.

There are a lot of people such as yourself who don't really care one way or the other.

Now shooting your armadillos, that wouldn't be hunting, that would simply be shooting things....but that's ok too sometimes. Armadillos do cause a problem.

Around here it is squirrels and chipmunks. They like to gnaw on everything if you let them. I shoot them on site with my pellet gun.

My last dog....just a big terrier mix...he knew exactly what that pellet gun was for. I would take him out in the yard with me and he was looking up into the trees, just waiting for me to knock down a squirrel . He was there ready to finish the thing off if the pellet hadn't already done the job.

He was one proud pup prancing up to me with a squirrel between his jaws.


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I have driven through Kentucky and West Virginia enough times at night, and seen enough deer approaching the roadside of I-75 or I-77 to know what a hazard they are to motorists ... very dangerous to hit a deer at 70 mph. So I do buy into the need to thin the herd, as opposed to having them starve or get killed by a vehicle (and possibly kill the driver).

On the other hand, a friend of mine told me about the time he went bow hunting and put an arrow into a deer's hindquarters, missed his mark you might say. He says he never forgot the sound of that deer running away through the woods with the arrow in that deers haunch rattling off the trees as it sped through. He never found it, but I can't imagine that deer met a very good ending.

I don't want to kill anything but - lets face it - if you eat meat at all, you are a killer by proxy. I certainly think its someones right to hunt if they want, but I would just ask that they do it well, and as quickly and humanely as possible. I would also just add that my comments pertain to those who hunt for food, not trophies.

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I am currently doing battle with a lil possum.. prolly a yearling that has taken up residence in the utility shed. I have been breaking up rat bait sticks and putting them in the shed..

So far he's been showing me what he thinks of that by taking dumps right next to the bait.. Hmmph.. I think the next tactic wikll be to borrow a Hav A Heart trap and snare his weaselly butt and release him in Hocking Hills.


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Have you ever watched the sunrise from a treestand, stood in a stream watching the mist rise while a deer stops down for a drink, had a bear climb up the tree you were sitting in, zoom across a smooth as glass lake, watched a great horned owl sitting on a limb from 30 feet, helped your son bait his first hook, sit around camp shooting the breeze with your buddies, get buzzed by a bald eagle or watched an incoming storm complete with water spouts from the middle of the lake? I've done all these on outings where the game bag or fish cooler was empty at the end of the day. I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. I also wouldn't have those memories if I weren't hunting or fishing.

If anyone thinks that being in the woods or on the water with their kids is meaningless unless they actually kill something, they are missing out big time.




Yes I've done all those [ except the bear thing ] and wouldn't trade the memories for anything. Now the grandkids are starting to push grandpa to take them out and teach them how to hunt. And i will do my best to teach them the right way.

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Perhaps what I should have said is that reading the article was a waste of time. I learned nothing. I have hunted with bow, rifle,shotgun and blackpowder. Fished in the Great Lakes, streams, rivers and lakes for trout,salmon,steelhead, bass, cats etc. like i said, i just learned nothing..........

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Perhaps what I should have said is that reading the article was a waste of time. I learned nothing. I have hunted with bow, rifle,shotgun and blackpowder. Fished in the Great Lakes, streams, rivers and lakes for trout,salmon,steelhead, bass, cats etc. like i said, i just learned nothing..........




Not everything you read has to make you learn nothing. If I held that standard to things I read, boy, what a boring world this would be. Sometimes it's just meant to share an experiance, or give someone an insight they may or may not have had before. Sometimes it's just venting, or letting you know what their opinion is.

You say you learned nothing, but what you did learn is that this person enjoys some of the same things you do. Maybe for the same reasons, maybe for different ones. If you can't take the time to look at someone's OPINION ARTICLE and understand that it's their OPINION, then I don't really know what else to say.


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I also enjoy hunting with my son. It has brought us closer and gives us an enjoyable weekend, even when we don't kill any thing. We eat what we kill.

The animals have a much better chance with the two of us than they would in the slaughter house. Some people are ashamed of the fact that we are at the top of the food chain, but I'm not ashamed of that. Hunters make every effort to kill humanely. One shot, one kill.

We also eat a little heathier than we would if we were eating meat from mass producers. No extra hormones, antibiotics or knowing that the animals are living in extremely tight quarters.


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I fish Lake Erie all the time and it isn't about the killing.( I guess fish count) Some days I limit out, some days, nothing. Either day I enjoy a day on the Lake.

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Pssst, you can enjoy the outside without killing things.

I've read your posts for years. Your favorite stories are about killing animals. You enjoy it, just don't pretend you don't.







Growing up in the country, those were some of my favorate stories and reading my post for years you also must realize many of those stories are from when I was a teenager. Many of the cat stories are from my teenage years, I havent shot a cat with anything but a bb gun to get it out of my trash in 20+ years. Many of my cat comments are now for fun.

Having read alot of my posts you also realize I hunt for the fun and have said countless time in my posts, a good day of hunting dosent mean I killed something, a good day is seeing the sun rise over the woods on a crip fall day or fresh coating of snow. I have also from prior post talked about the yeras of heading out on cold snowy days to feed deer in January or Febuary when thier food is running out, I've also talked about fishing with catch & release of Bass & only taking what we eat, walleye & perch we toss back if we have enough for supper. My many years of helping Ohio DNR keep our rights to hunt dove and keep PETA from taking away our rights to hunt.

Your 100% right Jules many of what I write about is shooting things but many of those posts are for fun, yes we shot cats & rats & we yard jarded a squirrel to a tree, but that was a one in a million shot, but realize if it was just for the kill, I'd given up on hunting years ago, because more times than not we've come back empty from a hunt but for me just being in the woods and the thrill of the case is far more rewarding than anything else. This is my up bringing and I dont appoligies for it or expect to convince anybody it's for them, if people are against it fine, if they dont agree with it fine, I respect thier right to disagree with what we do, but also I expect them to respect my right to hunt as long as it's within the laws, which is what we do. We or I dont shoot everything I see or take more than the law allows. If anything for years I giving back more than I've taken, once again my upbringing. Leave the wodds better than when you went in.

Yes we hunt to kill thats the main thing, but we eat what we kill, we dont and I've never shot anything and left it to die in the woods, I've always retreved & respected what we harvest.

If people wanna percieve us as gun weilding savages than they will, but I'm not gonna try to convince them diffrnetly if they think it they think it, maybe they should try to see the other side before setting judgment upon somebody else.

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Especially anybody who eats meat themselves, I find it ironic that someone can critiize us as hunters for going out and harvesting a animal to eat, yet will eat beef, or poultry, or fish that had to be killed.


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Especially anybody who eats meat themselves, I find it ironic that someone can critiize us as hunters for going out and harvesting a animal to eat, yet will eat beef, or poultry, or fish that had to be killed.





I agree with both of you. I don't hunt but feel it's ok for people to do so when they will eat what they kill. I think why a lot of people don't like hunters are because of the morons who feel like they need to go to someplace like Alaska or Canada to kill a bear(example) to make themselves feel like a major badass. I'm sure a lot might disagree with me but jmo.....

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Especially anybody who eats meat themselves, I find it ironic that someone can critiize us as hunters for going out and harvesting a animal to eat, yet will eat beef, or poultry, or fish that had to be killed.





I agree with both of you. I don't hunt but feel it's ok for people to do so when they will eat what they kill. I think why a lot of people don't like hunters are because of the morons who feel like they need to go to someplace like Alaska or Canada to kill a bear(example) to make themselves feel like a major badass. I'm sure a lot might disagree with me but jmo.....




Mmm....Bear steaks.....gamey for sure, but yum.


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I hunt and I don't apologize for it. Often times when I'm hunting I kill an animal , and I don't apologize for it.

I also eat the deer if I kill one.

I do NOT eat the woodchucks that I kill. I don't even pick them up. I leave them in the field/ditch, where ever. The vultures eat them, and it doesn't take much more than 24 hours before there is nothing but bones left.

But, I also realize most of the people that are against killing animals say so shortly before or shortly after they have eaten meat. They usually go out in their leather shoes, as well. Plus, most of those people also have no problem killing a mouse or rat, or spiders or ants, or flies - if it bugs them, they kill it, yet they attempt to denigrate hunting. Fine, if being 2 faced works for them, great. No skin off my back. They don't eat what they kill, yet they have the authority to attempt to demean me for killing pests and not eating them?

They can eat their beef, yet attempt to demean me for eating deer that I kill? Yeah, that works.

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