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Part 1

In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?

Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over one year ago:



1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.



Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;

2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);

5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;

6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.



America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.



Part 2:

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates.

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.



PART 3:

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.& it. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html


5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html



9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html



11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht



12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'

Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf



13.. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm



The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.



Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama




Are we THAT stupid?

Its all fun and games until somebody gets hurt.

Part 1:
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Nice try, though, bucko.

Part 2:

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At least that one was rated "partly true." So, I'll give you partial credit.

Part 3:

I didn't find anything on Snopes, but I'll just say that everything you claim there may be true. That doesn't justify the expense in Iraq, though.

JMHO

Regardless of the war in Iraq these are issues we face and need to do something about.

We're in the midst of the worst president in our nation's history, and possibly the worst Congress as well...of course the people want change.

No, I think he means everyone, except those that have certainly had to be in an 8 year coma.

Let's see, it's because of the republicans that things went ok during Billys stay, and it's the democrats fault that Georgey sucks.

Here is one thing I can never understand. When talking about Illegals, why are we spending any kind of money supporting ANYTHING "illegal"? Why even call them illegal if we are still going to feed them, educate them, care for their medical needs, etc.

Because it's cheaper than rounding them up and shipping them home? I dunno, I think it's because America is far too nice.

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but I think overtaxing people to fund it is still a more viable option than spending money that doesn't exist.

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This is stupid too!!!!! You think it is ok to OVERTAX???? It is NEVER ok to overtax...that is why the prefix "over" is attached....because it has gone past acceptable. Here's an idea...how bout we cut spending. Lets not spend....Wow...what an idea....its just so crazy it just might work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We're borrowing tons of money for this war, and it's costing us a fortune

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Oh but the fact that more 2/3 of our budget is spent on out of control, ever expanding, dependant forming, bureaucratic laced social programs is not an issue.....just the war that doesn't come anywhere near this amount of spending....I see...thanks for the clarification.....

Let's see... use the democratic congress as a whipping boy...

use the president as a whipping boy.

that is why I am ready for change.

You remembered the part about cutting taxes but you forgot the part about greatly increasing the tax income the government collected....You can blast him for all the spending all you want...Hell I will even join you. But if taxes had stayed at their current rate we would have been in an even worse situation.

Part of the economic regression experienced at the end of Clinton's term was directly related to the tax increases. And part of the economic stabilazation and growth after Clinton left was and is directly tied to the Bush tax cuts.

Hey if you need to slow things down...new taxes are a great way to do it....but do you really think we need to slow this economy down?????

Since Bush LIED about Iraq, I have loist alot of money in the market.
He is a liar and America has gone down hill, Even his dad told him not to go minto Iraq.
He is a stubborn old man who just wanted to make money from oil with peoples lives.! JMHO

Going after Bin Laden was 1 thing but Iraq was just another lie about ties with terrorism.

I'm quite sure I want change. But then my feelings towards Bush/McCain and their war is proabably similar to how a right-to-lifer feels about somebody who performs abortions.

Yes I want change.

Our current system is broken on both sides.

Yes I want change.

I want less taxes, AND less government spending.

The higher the tax rates, the fewer gross dollars get collected. This has been the case since the inception of an income tax.

Taxation has no tie to spending. We need to keep tax rates low and cut spending. I have zero faith that Billary or Obama understand that.

I have no faith that any of the three Bozo's running understand it

McCain clearly understands 50% of it. Better than nothing.

Ah, come on.......I mean, the democrat congress DID raise the minimum wage. They got something accomplished. (please note: this is pure sarcasm).

Sigh....same old Phil. Please prove the Bush's administration "crafted" the intelligence. You keep saying that yet you never prove it happened.

Also, could I borrow your crystal ball? You claim that no other person would have invaded Iraq "period" as fact. So, since you can see these things, could you please provide me with the winning Mega Millions drawing? I would really appreciate it since you can see such things.

What other country was really looking at Iraq like the US was? Britain got dragged along, as did a few others. But the countries who stood up to us, and were ultimately proven correct, were mocked. Anybody remember freedom fries? The problem with the administration, or at least my biggest problem, was that they didn't listen to anybody on the outside. If you dissented at home, you didn't support the country or the soldiers. If you dissented and weren't American, you were anti-American and anti-freedom, no matter how wrong those statements were. The media took that and ran with it.

Of course, those countries that "stood up" to us and were mocked were doing so in their own self interest considering their ties to the Oil for Food scandal.

Perhaps... but in hindsight they had a point far beyond Oil for Food about the brashness of American foreign policy at the time.

That's the great thing about hindsight....it's 20/20