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"AND two second rounders! Or at least I think we have two seconds"
The Cavaliers have 0 2nd round picks...Sorry.
I wish we did have 2 picks though...we could trade them both for a guy that drops (Bill Walker, Courtney Lee, JJ Hickson, or Joey Dorsey). I still hope that we "buy" into the 2nd round to get one of those guys as we need young athletic bigs and this is the year to get them cheap.
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Chad Ford (ESPN) has implied trade rumblings of Z & Varejao plus our #19 to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. I think it is BS though because, due to the Ted Stepien rule, I don't think we can trade our 1st rounder this year. Personally, after seeing O'Neal's recent injury history (played 42 games in 2007-08), I'd pass. He's starting to make Larry Hughes look like Jack Lalanne. 
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Chad Ford (ESPN) has implied trade rumblings of Z & Varejao plus our #19 to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. I think it is BS though because, due to the Ted Stepien rule, I don't think we can trade our 1st rounder this year.
Personally, after seeing O'Neal's recent injury history (played 42 games in 2007-08), I'd pass. He's starting to make Larry Hughes look like Jack Lalanne.
Chad Ford said he asked the front office and they said it was bogus.
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The Ted Stepein rule can be avoided by making the trade official AFTER we select a player.
In terms of the NBA, they view that as trading players for players instead of draft picks. It is stupid, but it is how the rule works.
That said: I like Big Z to retire a Cavalier. I don't see how O'Neal with his injury history at this point of his career is even better than Z; let alone better than Z, AV and the #19.
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Chad Ford (ESPN) has implied trade rumblings of Z & Varejao plus our #19 to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. I think it is BS though because, due to the Ted Stepien rule, I don't think we can trade our 1st rounder this year.
Personally, after seeing O'Neal's recent injury history (played 42 games in 2007-08), I'd pass. He's starting to make Larry Hughes look like Jack Lalanne.
Chad Ford said he asked the front office and they said it was bogus.
Let's hope so. If Ferry made that trade, i'd be on the front line of the lynching mob that would come for his head.
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i'd rather see us make a run at elton brand...
and i would try and get andy involved in tha deal, because you could put big ben and joe on the bench, and you have quite the rotation of bigs there...
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Elton Brand would be lovely.
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yeah, i mean, who couldn't use 20&10 on a nightly basis...
you also get someone who can play with their back to the basket, and score ugly points in the paint, something this team needs...
and when you watch the spurs, ginobili, parker, finley, etc... they all reap the benefits of having tim duncan demand double teams down low...
plus, he seems like a really good teammate, and someone the fans would absolutely love...
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I agree, and the little he played at the end of the year after the injury he looked good, didnt look like he really missed a beat.
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yeah, i mean, who couldn't use 20&10 on a nightly basis...
you also get someone who can play with their back to the basket, and score ugly points in the paint, something this team needs...
and when you watch the spurs, ginobili, parker, finley, etc... they all reap the benefits of having tim duncan demand double teams down low...
plus, he seems like a really good teammate, and someone the fans would absolutely love...
but he went to.... Duke. 
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Chad Ford (ESPN) has implied trade rumblings of Z & Varejao plus our #19 to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. I think it is BS though because, due to the Ted Stepien rule, I don't think we can trade our 1st rounder this year.
Personally, after seeing O'Neal's recent injury history (played 42 games in 2007-08), I'd pass. He's starting to make Larry Hughes look like Jack Lalanne.
Chad Ford said he asked the front office and they said it was bogus.
Let's hope so. If Ferry made that trade, i'd be on the front line of the lynching mob that would come for his head.
I don't know, O'Neal is a very dominant player. The only concern I would have with him is his overall health (like someone mentioned).
He had somewhat of a reduced role this year as he was battling injuries but 6 of the last 7 years he's averaged atleast 19 points and 9 rebounds and 3 of those seasons he was a double-double guy. He's a dominant shot blocker and infinitely more athletic then Z.
O'Neal is a flat out all-star player. If he's healthy and we can get him, I don't think you even blink. Z is a nice player but he's on his last legs. Andy is a one dimensional player and not nearly the defender O'Neal is. If we trade our DP, we're essentially saying that no one at #19 is probably going to contribute significantly for us.
Again, it all hinges on health but if his body checks out in a physical I think you immediately pull the trigger. O'neal is kind of an underrated player IMO. He's one of those under the radar guys because he was hurt last year but he would be a monster with LeBron. He's been doing it by himself in Indiana for some time and playing on some not so great teams. If you free him up with a dominant player like LeBron and I could EASILY see him put up Dwight howard type numbers. LeBron not only opens up passing lanes but rebounding lanes as well. It's kind of a trickle down effect. Might sound crazy to some but I would be surprised if he wasn't going for 23 and 12.
As for the trade itself, I would think the Pacers want expiring money and not an old Center as the centerpiece of the deal. I would guess if we were trading for O'neal, it would be Wally and not Z in the package.
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Just clicking..
But why would Indiana even want Z? They are a mediocre team in need of rebuilding, Z is not the man for that.
This trade makes no sense for either team, plus Z should retire a Cavalier.
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"O'Neal is a very dominant player"
Sure, before both his knees were shot, he was. Now...he has shot 43.6% and 43.9% from the field the past 2 seasons. Those are Larry Hughes numbers except you would be getting them from a post player.
"6 of the last 7 years he's averaged atleast 19 points and 9 rebounds and 3 of those seasons he was a double-double guy. He's a dominant shot blocker and infinitely more athletic then Z"
No arguments on that one. Though Z is a pretty good shot-blocker as well.
"O'Neal is a flat out all-star player. If he's healthy and we can get him, I don't think you even blink."
Why is O'Neal an all-star player when he is on bad knees? And, he is obviously not healthy. He has started the following number of game the past 4 seasons:
04/05 41
05/06 47
06/07 69
07/08 34
Also, factor in that while O'Neal is only 30yrs old...he came straight from HS, so he has extra wear-n-tear on those knees. He actually came into the NBA a year before Z.
Big Z, on the other hand, has been healthy.
04/05 78
05/06 78
06/07 78
07/08 73
"Andy is a one dimensional player and not nearly the defender O'Neal is"
Yes, Andy is a 1D player...but why is he not the defender of O'Neal? AV is the best big guy at taking charges in the NBA. He can body a guy up with the best of them (see his play against Garnett). Not to mention that he has great lateral movement and can get up and down the floor to help on D. These are all things that O'Neal has struggled with the past few seasons on his bad knees. O'Neal is still a way way better shot-blocker though.
"If you free him up with a dominant player like LeBron and I could EASILY see him put up Dwight howard type numbers."
Now, you are just being silly. A 30yo on bad knees is not going to be able to put up Dwight Howard numbers even with LeBron. Especially with his FG% dropping precipitously the past couple seasons.
"I would think the Pacers want expiring money and not an old Center as the centerpiece of the deal. I would guess if we were trading for O'neal, it would be Wally and not Z in the package"
I completely agree. And, if you switch out Z for Wally (so Wally/AV/#19) in the deal, then I agree it is worth the gamble to make the deal. Even if O'Neal only gives you half a season, as long as he is ready for the playoffs, then you have Z and O'Neal starting in your frontcourt with Joe Smith and Ben Wallace coming off the bench. That is a monster frontline and Z and O'Neal compliment each others skillsets greatly.
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Robert "Tractor" Traylor returns Posted by Branson Wright May 24, 2008 23:40PM Categories: Cavaliers Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry did not waste any time once the Cavaliers were eliminated from the postseason last week. Robert "Tractor" Traylor will participate in the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas as a member of the Cavs, according to a source close to the situation. The summer league runs July 11-20. It's a tryout of sorts for Traylor, who last played in the NBA (with the Cavs) during the 2004-05 season. Traylor also played with the Cavs during the 2000-01 season. Traylor became a free agent after the 2004-05 season and was prepared to sign with the New Jersey Nets but the Nets' doctors discovered Traylor had an enlarged aortic valve. Traylor had corrective heart surgery in November 2006. He sat for more than a year before playing in Spain and Puerto Rico, where he has played since December. Based on his play in Puerto Rico (11.7 points and 7.8 rebounds in the regular season), several scouts said Traylor is ready to return to the NBA. If so, the Cavs could use some of their midlevel exception ($5.5 million) or all of their bi-level exception ($1.8 million) to sign Traylor. A possible return of the 6-8, 290 pound Traylor would mean more toughness inside for the Cavs. http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/05/robert_tractor_traylor_returns.html
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I don't disagree with most what you're saying (if you're assuming his body is spent) and in my original post I said it all hinges on O'Neal's health. If he's not healthy you don't even think about it.....if he is, yes he surely can put up 20 and 10+ and be very dominant singled up in the post. Even more so if Z is retained.
You can reference overall statistics (FG %) but look at his numbers from December, before eventually shutting it down. In December (he then was shut down 10 days in to january after his knee really started to flare up) he averaged 19 points, 8 rebounds, shot 85% from the line and 49% from the field in that 15 game stretch. The guy can surely still play and he was doing it on a VERY average team with little to no help. IF he's healthy, you grab him IMO. Not saying O'neal is the cure all for this team but given we'd be trading (hypothetically) Wally, Andy and a DP I don't see why you don't do it.
Just because a player has battled injuries doesn't mean he can't overcome them. Z is a perfect example of that. Even as he gets older (he'll be 33 in June) he's taken care of his body and got healthy. Is that the case for everyone? No, it's not but that's why players have physicals when they're traded. If our medical staff gives the thumbs up, I think you give it a shot.
Also, the 2005-06 games played stat is a little bit misleading. He was suspended for what, 30 games? Because of the Detroit brawl?
Are there injury concerns with him? Sure, there are but given he's had half a season+ to recover, rehab and hopefully get healthy you have to look at him. He only has 2 years left on his contract so it's not going to hurt us too much if it doesn't work out. It's essentially a 1 year tryout and a big expiring contract the year after. Not much of a downside IMO.
Won't be disappointed if we don't look at him (given there are some red flags) but there's not much of a downside when you consider what it might take to land him. If the guys healthy, I would be pretty comfortable putting down money on him going for a double double next season.
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Recent "scuttlebutt" is Jermaine O'Neal and the # 11 draft pick coming to the Cavs for expiring contracts and more. The Cavs would then take the # 11 & # 19 pick, along with Varejao (and possibly Gibson), and trade to a top 5 team in the draft to obtain someone like an OJ Mayo.
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Was that on ESPN insider?
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Oh Gawd .... Jermaine O'neal and OJ Mayo are two people I really don't want on our team. Two guys who *think* they are franchise superstars, but really aren't.
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Was that on ESPN insider?
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Oh Gawd .... Jermaine O'neal and OJ Mayo are two people I really don't want on our team. Two guys who *think* they are franchise superstars, but really aren't.
I don't want O'Neal either and I said "like an OJ Mayo". It could be a Beasley, depending on who they'd trade with.
Mayo's name wasn't specifically mentioned (first top 5 player I thought of since I highly doubt that ChiTown gives up the rights to Rose).
Let me rephrase, they would make that trade to get into the top 5 and then pick "whoever" because I really don't know who they'd be targeting.
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Yeah I saw it on hoopshype this morning, but hoopshype has all the BS fodder as well i guess.
Say what you want, if we could pull off O'Neal and OJ this offseason and somehow hold on to Boobie, Delonte, and Z, that would be phenomenal.
We NEED talen that can put the ball in the hole.
If you actually WATCH Mayo play, he is a very unselfish player. Plus, LB would be a great mentor for him, since LB had a lot of the same issues.
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How about Chauncey Billups? ESPN just said that if the Cavs get the # 11 in that O'Neal deal that the Cavs might make a play for Billups because the Pistons are trying to reshape their roster and get draft picks.
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YES PLEASE!
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Yeah I saw it on hoopshype this morning, but hoopshype has all the BS fodder as well i guess.
Say what you want, if we could pull off O'Neal and OJ this offseason and somehow hold on to Boobie, Delonte, and Z, that would be phenomenal.
We NEED talen that can put the ball in the hole.
If you actually WATCH Mayo play, he is a very unselfish player. Plus, LB would be a great mentor for him, since LB had a lot of the same issues.
i really like oj mayo...
he has the off the court issues, but everything with him on the court is pretty amazing, he's going to be a very good player, and seems like he'd be a good fit if he came to cleveland...
as far as billups goes, i'd take him, but i really think the talk of the pistons breaking up is a bit much, they don't have much time left, but i think they could try and do it again for a year...
i'd take him if i had the chance, although hamilton would be a better fit (like they'd get rid of him)
it's good to hear this kind of stuff though, although it is only rumor, it seems like danny ferry isn't going to just sit on his hands this summer, he's going to look for a move that can put us into an elite class
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With Kevin McHale trading KG to the Celtics for pennies on the dollar ... and Jerry West likely prominently involved in the Paul Gasol to the Lakers trade for pennies on the dollar ... what we really need to do this off-season is get Mark Price a GM job for New Orleans and Austin Carr a front office job for Orlando. Then we can get Chris Paul and Dwight Howard for next to nothing. 
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With Kevin McHale trading KG to the Celtics for pennies on the dollar ... and Jerry West likely prominently involved in the Paul Gasol to the Lakers trade for pennies on the dollar ... what we really need to do this off-season is get Mark Price a GM job for New Orleans and Austin Carr a front office job for Orlando.
Then we can get Chris Paul and Dwight Howard for next to nothing.
actually, a lot of people thought the moves made by sam presti (gm, seattle) were a favor to danny ferry, they both worked under rc buford in san antonio...
i mean, if you're going to pull some shady stuff, you can't be getting back wally freaking szcerbiak...
the lakers get gasol, the celts get kg, and we get wally freaking szcerbiak
that's so cleveland that it's not even funny.
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Not sure how I would feel about Chauncey....
Pros: Veteran LEADER who has lead team to a title, demands respect the minute he walks in. not afraid to wave off LB and take control of the offense at any point of a game, takes and makes big shots, is a good mentor to young players (Stuckey), knocks down free throws at 90%, likes to play physical which mixes in good with MB's system, can defend pretty well..
Cons: Can get complacent on the floor (settling for jumpers), sometimes he is too confident (see last years playoffs), his body is getting less and less durable...
I think the pros outweigh the cons.
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Pros: Veteran LEADER who has lead team to a title, demands respect the minute he walks in. not afraid to wave off LB and take control of the offense at any point of a game, takes and makes big shots, is a good mentor to young players (Stuckey), knocks down free throws at 90%, likes to play physical which mixes in good with MB's system, can defend pretty well..
Cons: Can get complacent on the floor (settling for jumpers), sometimes he is too confident (see last years playoffs), his body is getting less and less durable...
I think the pros outweigh the cons.
i agree with everything you said
i think it really comes down to what we'd have to give up...
he's definitely a good fit for mike brown's system, but i don't think he solves all our problems... we still need a guy that can beat you off the dribble...
we also need a ball handler who is ok when teams will really pressure you late in games... delonte west had trouble with that against boston, and that's where all the problems start, west gives the ball to lebron because the backcourt pressure is too much, lebron looks around, can't find anyone, is swarmed, and takes a 20 foot shot..
amazingly, he will drain some of those, probably 3 or 4 out of ten, but late in games, you need better shots than that, and you need to utilize his skills better...
chauncey billups fills that ball handler role, but he isn't really known for putting the ball on the court and attacking the rim, getting easy ones/free throws...
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Arenas opts out of deal after injury-shortened season June 9, 2008 CBSSports.com wire reports WASHINGTON -- Gilbert Arenas lived up to his word and opted out of the final year of his contract, the Washington Wizards said Monday. Will Arenas' move to opt out of his contract pay off? (Getty Images) The move had been long expected. Arenas has repeatedly said he would forgo the final year of his six-year, $65 million deal so that he could re-sign with the team for an even larger amount. Arenas can begin negotiating with any team on July 1. While he has expressed a desire to remain with the Wizards, he has also said he won't return unless the team also re-signs Antawn Jamison, who is also set to become a free agent. Wizards president Ernie Grunfeld has said he wants to re-sign both Arenas and Jamison. Arenas, a three-time All-Star, missed most of last season after two operations on his left knee. He has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career. http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/10860004
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