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Yes, the wait to become a citizen is too long. But that's not the biggest issue. You can't just have unlimited, and unimpeded immigration, or else we would be flooded with immigrants without the infrastructure or programs to support them.
We already have a unemployment issue, imagine if we just opened the doors, and now you have 30 million immigrants looking for work as well, and since they are all "legalized" immigrants, we have to supply welfare, health care, etc to them.
There is a way to enter the country legally, and remain while you go through the channels to become a citizen, they just choose not to.
You contradict yourself. You say the wait is too long, but then say that they shoudl enter the country illegally, they just choose not to. Often, they are trying to do both, but have to work in teh mean time.
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What I find really interesting is that we offer a Spanish translation for a driving test. Hello, the road signs are in English. Not to mention, why don't we offer translations for every language then?
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We are a melting pot, and a most everyone here at some point in their lineage immigrated. They came, they filled out the paperwork, they took citizenship classes, they learned English, they payed taxes, they worked and supported their communities, and they assimilated into the American culture, while keeping their own cultural traditions alive.
Not true. the term WOP, for example, referring to italians, means without papers. they all just showed. It's just that our policy then wasn't to just ship them back.
Illegal immigrants, unless their employers are paying them under the table, pay taxes. the difference is, because they are illegal, they don't get their taxes back at the end of the year if the qualify. they also work hard, support their communities, and do everythign they can to assimilate to the culture. I can say this, because I live in those communities. I think you may be basing your comments on assumptions.
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I'm not going to reply to everythign you said because you made a lot of jumps and assumptions about what I said. Basically, you are responding to things I didn't say. I think you should read more carefully what my comments were.
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Yes, the wait to become a citizen is too long. But that's not the biggest issue. You can't just have unlimited, and unimpeded immigration, or else we would be flooded with immigrants without the infrastructure or programs to support them.
We already have a unemployment issue, imagine if we just opened the doors, and now you have 30 million immigrants looking for work as well, and since they are all "legalized" immigrants, we have to supply welfare, health care, etc to them.
There is a way to enter the country legally, and remain while you go through the channels to become a citizen, they just choose not to.
You contradict yourself. You say the wait is too long, but then say that they shoudl enter the country illegally, they just choose not to. Often, they are trying to do both, but have to work in teh mean time.
Where did I say they should enter the country illegally?
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Do they "push 1" for english ?
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http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readleearticle.asp?articleid=19326&z=14LEE COUNTY: There is some backlash after 25 illegal workers were busted by federal agents at the construction site of the new Lee County Jail. The story has provoked strong reactions from many of our viewers. But we found one man who has, perhaps, the most to be angry about. Steve Iorio is not too sympathetic to those 25 illegal workers that are now out of a job. He’s been out of work for eight months. "They're taking our jobs, and it's just - it's tough. You have to end up doing what you have to do to get by," said Iorio. For Iorio, he has had to take a job at K-mart, just to make ends meet. "It seems like it's us, skilled carpenters and tradesmen, against them. And, you know, we just can't compete," he said. Friday’s raid at the new Lee County Jail site has Iorio fuming. He says while he and scores of other skilled construction workers sit without work, some contractors choose the cheaper, illegal alternative. "You're fighting for work and there are so many guys who are skilled," said Iorio. "And we can't get our hands on any because the cheaper laborers are coming in and undercutting us." And it’s not just those out of work who are frustrated. Contractors fighting for projects say the companies hiring illegals can often underbid them. "Maybe not all of their people are properly insured and licensed. How else can they bid so low?" asked Scott Hertz of Powell Construction. Workers with Powell Construction, which had nothing to do with the raid at the jail, say general contractors play a game of trust. When they hire subcontractors, they collect loads of licensing and paperwork, but don't have access to subcontractors’ employee records. "You get into privacy regulations, people's social security numbers. There's not really any method to check that," said Hertz. Iorio believes the answer lies in tougher fines for contractors who do get caught. "They just turn a blind eye to it because it just affects their bottom line," said Iorio. "You can pay one person ‘X’ amount of dollars or you can have three for the same price." The raid now has Lee County leaders questioning if illegals are working on other county projects. The county says every general contractor it does business with signs a contract promising not to hire illegals. But the county says it does not have the time and resources to check employee status at every job site.
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Not true. the term WOP, for example, referring to italians, means without papers. they all just showed. It's just that our policy then wasn't to just ship them back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wop Not true.
Regardless, it's one thing to have not had a passport/documentation from your original country when you get here. It's another to get here, and remain undocumented.
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It's also a different period of time. Back at the turn of the 20th century we had more work than workers. So we were willing to take on more immigrants.
Now it's just the opposite, just read FloridaFan's article a couple posts up.
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they also work hard, support their communities, and do everythign they can to assimilate to the culture. I can say this, because I live in those communities. I think you may be basing your comments on assumptions.
I live in South Florida, trust me I know about how Illegal Immigrants operate here, and what they do and don't do. Yes they support THEIR community. Not the community they live in, but the other immigrants like them. Sure some try to be all, but I can drive 5 minutes from where I am at now and show you an entire neighborhood of illegal immigrants.
These same people stand on specific corners in the mornings waiting for some contractor to come along looking for day labor, paying cash. These same people drive cars without licenses, and when there is an accident, and I can tell you I have seen this with my own eyes, they jump out and run into the yards, leaving the car behind.
And I won't even get into the gang issues that the younger kids have started in the last 10 years or so.
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"You're fighting for work and there are so many guys who are skilled," said Iorio. "And we can't get our hands on any because the cheaper laborers are coming in and undercutting us."
They're just doing the jobs Americans won't do... keep telling yourself that.
Y'know, there was a day when if you saw a hispanic on the site, he was either hanging drywall, finishing drywall, or painting... you walk on the site now, they are electricians, plumbers, tin knockers, carpenters... and it's not because they work harder, it's because they'll work cheaper... plain and simple.
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and do everythign they can to assimilate to the culture.
Do they "push 1" for english ?
once they learn it.
Believe it or not, if you've been speaking one language for 20 years, have a 3rd grade education, and can barely write your name, English usually takes more than a week to learn.
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"You're fighting for work and there are so many guys who are skilled," said Iorio. "And we can't get our hands on any because the cheaper laborers are coming in and undercutting us."
They're just doing the jobs Americans won't do... keep telling yourself that.
Y'know, there was a day when if you saw a hispanic on the site, he was either hanging drywall, finishing drywall, or painting... you walk on the site now, they are electricians, plumbers, tin knockers, carpenters... and it's not because they work harder, it's because they'll work cheaper... plain and simple.
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they also work hard, support their communities, and do everythign they can to assimilate to the culture. I can say this, because I live in those communities. I think you may be basing your comments on assumptions.
I live in South Florida, trust me I know about how Illegal Immigrants operate here, and what they do and don't do. Yes they support THEIR community. Not the community they live in, but the other immigrants like them. Sure some try to be all, but I can drive 5 minutes from where I am at now and show you an entire neighborhood of illegal immigrants.
These same people stand on specific corners in the mornings waiting for some contractor to come along looking for day labor, paying cash. These same people drive cars without licenses, and when there is an accident, and I can tell you I have seen this with my own eyes, they jump out and run into the yards, leaving the car behind.
And I won't even get into the gang issues that the younger kids have started in the last 10 years or so.
Sorry, I lived in south florida too. My dad does immigration law there. Those communities are all illegals because the housing is cheap. would you want to live where they are living if you could afford something better? I know those communities.
You know why they run? It's because they are afraid of deportation. Not because they don't want to help, or don't want to be responsible.
many of them do have licenses, they're just afraid of deportation because it's a felony, they'll go to jail, be separated from their family, and makes it ten times harder to continue the process of becoming legal. They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
And puh-lease. Gangs? Gangs are every race and people, and there is one common theme among all of them: Poverty and lack of opportunity. Give them decent jobs, decent homes, and decent education, and gangs go away. Nothing to do with legal status.
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Not true. the term WOP, for example, referring to italians, means without papers. they all just showed. It's just that our policy then wasn't to just ship them back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wop Not true.
Regardless, it's one thing to have not had a passport/documentation from your original country when you get here. It's another to get here, and remain undocumented.
I stand corrected, thanks. They remain here undocumented because the process takes so many years and so many thousands of dollars. Many of them are trying to get documented. It's not like you can just go to the INS and say, can I have a green card now? I've been here a month.
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Yes, the wait to become a citizen is too long. But that's not the biggest issue. You can't just have unlimited, and unimpeded immigration, or else we would be flooded with immigrants without the infrastructure or programs to support them.
We already have a unemployment issue, imagine if we just opened the doors, and now you have 30 million immigrants looking for work as well, and since they are all "legalized" immigrants, we have to supply welfare, health care, etc to them.
There is a way to enter the country legally, and remain while you go through the channels to become a citizen, they just choose not to.
You contradict yourself. You say the wait is too long, but then say that they shoudl enter the country illegally, they just choose not to. Often, they are trying to do both, but have to work in teh mean time.
Where did I say they should enter the country illegally?
I meant to say legally.
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and do everythign they can to assimilate to the culture.
Do they "push 1" for english ?
once they learn it.
Believe it or not, if you've been speaking one language for 20 years, have a 3rd grade education, and can barely write your name, English usually takes more than a week to learn.
If you really wanna be a part of the American society, you learn it before you pay to get yourself smuggled into the States.
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If people want to come here, and do so legally, than that process needs to be sped up. This isn't the cold war where we "need to keep an eye on them commies" or anything...
Please tell me you are not serious. We have alot more to look out for today than we did in the cold war era.
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once they learn it.
Believe it or not, if you've been speaking one language for 20 years, have a 3rd grade education, and can barely write your name, English usually takes more than a week to learn.
They had 20 years to learn it before they came here, granted the first 8 or 10 years I am sure they never thought about it, but they had time to learn it before they came here.
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Sorry, I lived in south florida too. My dad does immigration law there.
Florida, New York, California, just how many places have you lived, and how many kids did you say you had again?
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It does seem, no matter what geographic area is talked about, he has lived there, at least as far as the states go - plus, he seems to have been anywhere and everywhere outside of the states as well.........just gleeing info from his posts over the last few months.
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And puh-lease. Gangs? Gangs are every race and people, and there is one common theme among all of them: Poverty and lack of opportunity. Give them decent jobs, decent homes, and decent education, and gangs go away. Nothing to do with legal status.
Give??
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Thats what he said Saint "GIVE" you don't really expect them to have to WORK for it and EARN it do you 
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Thats what he said Saint "GIVE" you don't really expect them to have to WORK for it and EARN it do you
If people want to be doom and gloomers, that is the very type of thinking that will be the downfall of this country if allowed to continue from some groups.
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many of them do have licenses, they're just afraid of deportation because it's a felony, they'll go to jail, be separated from their family, and makes it ten times harder to continue the process of becoming legal. They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
 Last I knew you had to prove citizenship to get a license LEGALLY.
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They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
The system is flawed.. as most government systems are. I personally have no problem with it taking a number of years to get into the country, it's NOT something that should happen in a month for $20 just because you want it to.
You have been rather adament about this subject, do you not believe that these illegals have some kind of moral obligation to their families, to their communities, to their own countries to try to make their own country better before they just pack up and invade somebody elses country? You would think that a country so full of hard working honest people who just want to provide for their families, wouldn't be such a crap heap.
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many of them do have licenses, they're just afraid of deportation because it's a felony, they'll go to jail, be separated from their family, and makes it ten times harder to continue the process of becoming legal. They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
Last I knew you had to prove citizenship to get a license LEGALLY.
incorrect. often depends on state. Most states it isn't required.
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Sorry, I lived in south florida too. My dad does immigration law there.
Florida, New York, California, just how many places have you lived, and how many kids did you say you had again?
I was born in Ohio, moved to florida when I was 14, graduated HS in Arkansas, went to college in Dallas, grad school in Minnesota, went to New York via South Carolina to live, then came to California for law school and stayed.
I haven't been that many places in the world. Canada, Mexico, one trip to south america, three to europe. Never been to africa or asia.
I have zero kids, but that is hopefully changing this year.
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If you really wanna be a part of the American society, you learn it before you pay to get yourself smuggled into the States.
LOL. how, pray tell. Just sign up at the community college for english classes? a private tutor? books bought online? Your statement is so ridiculous. The arrogance of that comment is overwhelming.
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If you really wanna be a part of the American society, you learn it before you pay to get yourself smuggled into the States.
LOL. how, pray tell. Just sign up at the community college for english classes? a private tutor? books bought online? Your statement is so ridiculous. The arrogance of that comment is overwhelming.
How?
Not my problem. All I know is if I was gonna move to Mexico, I would learn Spanish BEFORE I moved (or in their case illegally smuggled myself into their country).
Moving to Germany? Learn German.
Moving to China, learn Chinese.
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Florida, New York, California, just how many places have you lived, and how many kids did you say you had again?
I was born in Ohio, moved to florida when I was 14, graduated HS in Arkansas, went to college in Dallas, grad school in Minnesota, went to New York via South Carolina to live, then came to California for law school and stayed.
I haven't been that many places in the world. Canada, Mexico, one trip to south america, three to europe. Never been to africa or asia.
I have zero kids, but that is hopefully changing this year.
You should move to Mexico.
You fit right in with your ass backwards way of thinking.
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many of them do have licenses, they're just afraid of deportation because it's a felony, they'll go to jail, be separated from their family, and makes it ten times harder to continue the process of becoming legal. They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
Last I knew you had to prove citizenship to get a license LEGALLY.
incorrect. often depends on state. Most states it isn't required.
Only if you consider 7 of 50 as "most".
Only seven states – Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Washington – allow undocumented immigrants to get driver’s licenses.
Maybe it's just me, but 43 of 50 would be considered "most" And those 43 do NOT allow illegals to get licenses.
Hate to bring it up again.... but....
WRONG AGAIN.
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The system is flawed.. as most government systems are. I personally have no problem with it taking a number of years to get into the country, it's NOT something that should happen in a month for $20 just because you want it to.
You have been rather adament about this subject, do you not believe that these illegals have some kind of moral obligation to their families, to their communities, to their own countries to try to make their own country better before they just pack up and invade somebody elses country? You would think that a country so full of hard working honest people who just want to provide for their families, wouldn't be such a crap heap.
They are hardly alone. This country isn't what it is simply because we worked harder than everyone else, i know you aren't that naive.
I am adamant about this subject because I have worked side by side with many of these people, seen the struggles they've overcome, seen how terribly we've treated them, how hard they worked (much harder than any American i've ever seen work in that factory), seen the developments in the law that i find, frankly, disgraceful, seen how cops abuse them, seen families broken up, mothers of nursing infants put in jail for working without a social security card, deported, and unable to see her child for ten years. Seeing all that, and then hearing how uninformed, how unforgiving, and how cold many people are in this country i find disgusting. So many chirstians with the what would jesus do line, wanting to build a wall to keep hungry people out and hoard what's "ours." Jesus wouldn't even be admitted into this country. Foreigner, doesn't speak english, no papers. We'd lock him and and charge him with a felony. We act like we're talking about the imporation of chemicals or animals. These are people.
And what really angers me is this arrogance, that somehow because we were born here we deserve it more than someone else. We don't deserve anything. In fact, if anyone deserves it, it's these other people who have suffered so much and overcome so much hardship just to get here for a chance to make a life. Not for welfare, not to be taken care of, but to pursue the American dream - work hard, raise a family, and give your kids a better chance than you had. We forget where we come from. That this nation is a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal. We forget what is written on teh statue of liberty.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door"
We are lucky to be here. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, the example for the rest of the world. And we treat these peopel like garbage. I'm not saying I have the answer, it's a difficult situation for sure. But more than anything, it's this attitude - that they are invading our country to do harm, that we deserve it more because we were born here, that they are criminals because they don't wait for the paperwork, that they are lazy because they don't already know english. Most of these people have more hardship just getting here than many of us experience our entire lives. We should be grateful, get down on our knees everyday for the luck we have, and do everything we can to help those who are less fortunate have the opportunity we have, even though we've done nothing to earn it ourselves.
Non citizens serve in our military and die for American. they help produce our food, build our houses, keep us safe. Are there also gang members, drug dealers, and addicts on welfare? Of course. They are people. But they are, by far, some of the hardest working and patriotic "americans" you'll find. We should be ashamed of ourselves and our government, and instead of treating them like the enemy, show some compassion and work to find a way that we can embrace those fleeing poverty and oppression and welcome them to a better place. It's not simple, it's not easy, but it's the right thing to do.
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many of them do have licenses, they're just afraid of deportation because it's a felony, they'll go to jail, be separated from their family, and makes it ten times harder to continue the process of becoming legal. They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
Last I knew you had to prove citizenship to get a license LEGALLY.
incorrect. often depends on state. Most states it isn't required.
Only if you consider 7 of 50 as "most".
Only seven states – Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Washington – allow undocumented immigrants to get driver’s licenses.
Maybe it's just me, but 43 of 50 would be considered "most" And those 43 do NOT allow illegals to get licenses.
Hate to bring it up again.... but....
WRONG AGAIN.
Some lawyer you are.
And in all fifty states a license from another country is valid here. And that license serves as documentation of who you are. You do not have to show citizenship, you have to show valid ID. So even if they swim across in the morning and get caught with only a mexican license, they can not be charged with driving without a license. same thing as if you were to travel to canada. You don't need to get a canadian license. This isn't determined by the states, because immigration is a federal issue.
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If you really wanna be a part of the American society, you learn it before you pay to get yourself smuggled into the States.
LOL. how, pray tell. Just sign up at the community college for english classes? a private tutor? books bought online? Your statement is so ridiculous. The arrogance of that comment is overwhelming.
How?
Not my problem. All I know is if I was gonna move to Mexico, I would learn Spanish BEFORE I moved (or in their case illegally smuggled myself into their country).
Moving to Germany? Learn German.
Moving to China, learn Chinese.
Seems logical to me.
That's easy to say from where you stand - what you "would" do. you, for whatever reason, just won't let yourself admit that they are people, no better or worse than you. You need to feel like you are better than them. That's your problem. But you are not better than them, whether you think you would do better in their shoes or not.
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You should move to Mexico.
You fit right in with your ass backwards way of thinking.
And what way of thinking is that? The "illegal immigration" way of thinking? Have you ever even spent five minutes having a friendly discussion with an illegal immigrant, or do you just believe what your told that they're stealing our jobs and ruining the economy and brining in terrorism and crime? Please, enlighten us - what is the "way" of thinking of Mexico?
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Well not speaking for navy, But I have manny time's!
And yes they are proud to be here unwanted! Im sick of it!!!!!
And the few I work with that have become us citizens hate the one's that dont!
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many of them do have licenses, they're just afraid of deportation because it's a felony, they'll go to jail, be separated from their family, and makes it ten times harder to continue the process of becoming legal. They system is screwed. It's not black and white.
Last I knew you had to prove citizenship to get a license LEGALLY.
incorrect. often depends on state. Most states it isn't required.
Only if you consider 7 of 50 as "most".
Only seven states – Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Washington – allow undocumented immigrants to get driver’s licenses.
Maybe it's just me, but 43 of 50 would be considered "most" And those 43 do NOT allow illegals to get licenses.
Hate to bring it up again.... but....
WRONG AGAIN.
Some lawyer you are.
And in all fifty states a license from another country is valid here. And that license serves as documentation of who you are. You do not have to show citizenship, you have to show valid ID. So even if they swim across in the morning and get caught with only a mexican license, they can not be charged with driving without a license. same thing as if you were to travel to canada. You don't need to get a canadian license. This isn't determined by the states, because immigration is a federal issue.
Keep trying though.
That is true of legal alien visitors. But you are speaking of illegal IMMIGRANTS.
IMMIGRANTS - a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there.
Also nice twist. But we are talking about US licenses and illegal immigrants, NOT foreign licenses of LEGAL VISITORS.
Keep trying though.
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If you really wanna be a part of the American society, you learn it before you pay to get yourself smuggled into the States.
LOL. how, pray tell. Just sign up at the community college for english classes? a private tutor? books bought online? Your statement is so ridiculous. The arrogance of that comment is overwhelming.
How?
Not my problem. All I know is if I was gonna move to Mexico, I would learn Spanish BEFORE I moved (or in their case illegally smuggled myself into their country).
Moving to Germany? Learn German.
Moving to China, learn Chinese.
Seems logical to me.
That's easy to say from where you stand - what you "would" do. you, for whatever reason, just won't let yourself admit that they are people, no better or worse than you. You need to feel like you are better than them. That's your problem. But you are not better than them, whether you think you would do better in their shoes or not.
That is not a problem, it is just the way it is. I am better than them. They are in MY country illegally. Breaking our laws. I on the other hand am NOT in their country breaking theirs. That alone makes me better than they are. I am not a criminal.
Then these clowns come here illegally waving that ugly flag of theirs. They wanna be me so badly but yet they don't wave my flag in my country they wave theirs. Makes alot of sense.
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Good read FloridaFan… I forwarded the story to my father who lives in Houston (Minute Man) on the front line at 70 years young. did you know that in this country they wont let you volunteer for home land security even if your X military over the age of 40. Imagine if they told our forefather of this Country that….I don’t think we would have won our liberty and freedom from England. If you are concerned about the Issue of Immigration and Amnesty and you would like to write your Senator and trust me it’s as easy as voting with this form….If you care about this Issue I would urge you to send this type written e-mail to the Powers that be in your neck of the woods And let our leaders know that you don’t believe the rhetoric that there will be a crop failure in this country if they don’t give them and their families Amnesty.  These leaders / crooks are trying to slide the bill in the Iraq bill. http://capwiz.com/caps/utr/2/?a=11392996&i=86206025&c=
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If you really wanna be a part of the American society, you learn it before you pay to get yourself smuggled into the States.
LOL. how, pray tell. Just sign up at the community college for english classes? a private tutor? books bought online? Your statement is so ridiculous. The arrogance of that comment is overwhelming.
How?
Not my problem. All I know is if I was gonna move to Mexico, I would learn Spanish BEFORE I moved (or in their case illegally smuggled myself into their country).
Moving to Germany? Learn German.
Moving to China, learn Chinese.
Seems logical to me.
That's easy to say from where you stand - what you "would" do. you, for whatever reason, just won't let yourself admit that they are people, no better or worse than you. You need to feel like you are better than them. That's your problem. But you are not better than them, whether you think you would do better in their shoes or not.
That is not a problem, it is just the way it is. I am better than them. They are in MY country illegally. Breaking our laws. I on the other hand am NOT in their country breaking theirs. That alone makes me better than they are. I am not a criminal.
Then these clowns come here illegally waving that ugly flag of theirs. They wanna be me so badly but yet they don't wave my flag in my country they wave theirs. Makes alot of sense.
it's OUR country. not YOURS.
And I already proved to you that you are also a criminal, as nearly all of us are. Your sentiments, as usual, are representative of the worst part of America, are against the spirit of the constitution, and downright ugly. May all of your worst nightmares come true, because that means peace and joy for the rest of us.
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