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this is something that will likely get derailed with typical political catfighting, but i'll try anyway...i've spent a good deal of time considering why i like or dislike the candidates this year, and i've come up with this...
it'd be nice to agree with the ideals of a candidate, but i'm more interested in intelligence, open-mindedness, and competence...perhaps that's a product of my political awareness beginning with Bush's 1st term...he doesn't seem to rely on any of those qualities...i don't care if a candidate has a different view than me, but if they refuse to listen to other perspectives and/or cannot accomplish tasks in an efficient and effective manner, that's the dealbreaker for me...
this is why, at this point, i'm unsure about Obama vs. McCain, but i support both over Clinton...the first two give a sense of being reasonable people with integrity...Clinton would excel at manipulating the system to get her way, but she'd do about anything it takes, and will happily shut out opposing views...that's like giving the job to Bush's liberal twin...no thanks...
what do you all base your candidate choice on, and why?...
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McCain : I dont think it's all up stairs anymore, I've seen & heard way to many thing come out of his mouth that just dont make since to me, That I cant vote for him, God bless him for his service to our country, but he's off the wall on a few things, or maybe I'm the one off the wall.....  Clinton : Dont trust her...no one breath....I dont care about the Bill thing with her taking him back, Dont care about that, Everybody has that feeling when you look at somebody or hear them speak, something inside just say fake, lier......well that me when I hear Hilary, just my opinon....But saddly I would pick her over MCcain....I guess it's who is the lesser of two Evils....it's sad when we Americans have it come down to the lesser of the trusted...Maybe i'll just Vote for Jimmy Buffett... Obama. I support, he's not perfect, but I do have a good feeling about him and like what he says, I do think this country does need drastic change if were gonna survive, maybe he dosent do it, but i do feel he can & will atleast get the ball rolling in that direction. Once again politics, I dont argue over it, ya get know where, everybody had diffrent opionons, so theres really nothing to agrue over, I'm nopt changing my mind, dont expect you to change yours.
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For me, I really do a list of what I value and what I absolutely will not stand for in a candidate. Then, I take a look at the candidates' stances on those issues and make my decision from that.
I absolutely REFUSE to vote for a party just because that's the party that my parents or friends belong to. Granted, I often do because of the values instilled in me by my parents in friends, but I make sure that any decision I make is my own.
IMO, the worst kind of voter is the one who hates all Democrats because they're Democrats or refuses to vote for a Republican just because he or she is a Republican.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I agree,
that being said, I don't think I will ever vote for a Republican candidate because my personal views are completely non-republican and i don't think there would ever be a republican candidate that would have views anywhere near mine. Mccain is as close as I will probably ever come to voting for a Republican, and theres no way I'm voting for him either. It would take 2 candidates that are in the middle for me to ever vote Republican.
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1. Policy - I look at each candidates views on the major issues, I see if their track record is consistent with what they stand for now... if it has changed, why. Changing isn't necessarily a bad thing if they can explain WHY they changed and it wasn't just to tow the party line or garner votes.
2. Character/Integrity - Lots of presidents have their presidency completely defined by issues that were never discussed during the election and for which they have no real "policy" for me to review, like the current one. So I have to judge a candidates character to try to determine how they will handle the unknown... It's a very inexact science.
3. Intangibles - Leadership, personality, basically tie-breaker stuff if 2 candidates are really close with the above, but that has never really happened.
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I'm always torn when it comes to this stuff.
I'm all for financial responsibility and lower spending.
But morally? I can't for the life of me tell a woman how to use her body, or force my religious beliefs on someone else, or tell a loving couple they can't get married because they're of the same sex (even if it makes me uncomfortable). I think it's wrong when in the richest country in the world, not everyone has access to healthcare.
I don't believe in penalizing business, but I don't believe in letting them roam free either otherwise they'll become more corrupt than you can imagine. Enron is proof of that.
It's a very delicate line, but I lean towards Democrat because of the moral issues. I just wish there was a moderate third party that was legit.
That said, Barack is my homeboy in this election.
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wow....That picutre of Hilary reminds me of a place hard things go to die... she has a face even Viagra couldnt love
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I want a candidate who wants to stay the farthest out of the lives of his/her constituents. I realize that this is now a foreign concept and something not embraced by most Americans. I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I'm never again going to have a candidate who represents what I want in a leader.
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On a national level, I want whoever is for the smallest, weakest national government and supports strong state and local government.
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McCain sure is handsome. 
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If you say so. 
I do think he comes closest to what I want, at least of the candidates that can win.
Of all the messages, I like Paul the best....sounds like we are basically Libertarian....too bad he couldn't get his message out.
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I'm not against McCain, I'll probably be forced to vote for him. I just get sick of the constant bashing of a candidate's looks which is only because of the gender.
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I know......life isn't fair in that regard. I don't pay much attention to that......though I must say it was a relief when Reno exited the national stage.
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Time to get loose for a 1:00 tee time.....I will pick this back up later in the evening.....have a good day!
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I vote according to what I feel the needs of our nation are at the current time. McCain? He "used to be" a maverick who was more of an independant than an actual GOP. He has shown the ability to cross party lines for non partisan legislation. Which I consider a good thing. Yet the current administration has two wars on two fronts without the manpower to do so. And it looks as if the current administration is even MORE intent on raising the ire or even going into a third war before he steps down.  And McCain is fine with that. For up to 100 years according to him! I simply can not support that. Not without instituting the draft. While that is the practical solution, it's also political suicide. But we are vastly undermanned to fight two wars at once, much less three wars. From my standpoint, McCain has sold his "maverick views" down the road to align his views MUCH closer to that of the current administration. I simply can not support that. But I do have a great deal of respect for the man. I actually supported him in 2000. And I truely believe had he been elected then, we wouldn't be in half the mess we are in now. I have NO TRUST in Clinton! From her "being shot at on the runway in Bosnia", to her flip flop on NAFTA, she is like a camelion and changes colors according to her environment. That leaves Obama. Which I support more for "what he is not" rather than "what he is". He is NOT a lifetime Washington insider. He does NOT accept PAC and lobbyist money. He has NOT spendt 30 years in Washington. Which means he has NOT been a "part of the problem" for decades to this point. I believe he is open minded, smart and articulate. It's my only way to send Washington the message that if they don't get out of the pockets of lobbyists and do what's best for "the American people" instead of what's best for "American big business? That we'll kick all of the "insiders out" and put the "outsiders in"! It's my best way to send a message to BOTH parties that Americans are SICK of "the status quo". JMHO
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I vote according to what I feel the needs of our nation are at the current time.
McCain? He "used to be" a maverick who was more of an independant than an actual GOP. He has shown the ability to crosee party lines for non partisan legislation. Which I consider a good thing. Yet the current administration has two wars on two fronts without the manpower to do so. And it looks as if the current administration is even MORE intent on raising the ire or even going into a third war before he steps down.
And McCain is fine with that. For up to 100 years according to him! I simply can not support that. Not without instituting the draft. While that is the practical solution, it's also political suicide. But we are vastly undermanned to fight two wars at once, much less three wars.
From my standpoint, McCain has sold his "maverick views" down the road to align his views MUCH closer to that of the current administration. I simply can not support that. But I do have a great deal of respect for the man. I actually supported him in 2000. And I truely believe had he been elected then, we wouldn't be in half the mess we are in now.
I have NO TRUST in Clinton! From her "being shot at on the runway in Bosnia", to her flip flop on NAFTA, she is like a camelion and changes colors according to her environment.
That leaves Obama. Which I support more for "what he is not" rather than "what he is".
He is NOT a lifetime Washington insider. He does NOT accept PAC and lobbyist money. He has NOT spendt 30 years in Washington. Which means he has NOT been a "part of the problem" for decades to this point.
I believe he is open minded, smart and articulate. It's my only way to send Washington the message that if they don't get out of the pockets of lobbyists and do what's best for "the American people" instead of what's best for "American big business?
That we'll kick all of the "insiders out" and put the "outsiders in"!
It's my best way to send a message to BOTH parties that Americans are SICK of "the status quo".
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Does it really matter what your voting strategy is if all the canidates aren't qualified to run a country? 
McCain: No real direction on anything, maybe past his prime, only thing you hear from him is he is a vietnam vet...more or less a puppet.
Clinton: Extremist, strange views, a socialist, involved with shady people, forgien policiy? wouldnt be where she was without her name, and she wouldnt be where she was if she was a man, although theres question to that fact.....more or less a puppet.
Obama: No expirence here or foegien policiy, goes around saying "change" but leaves out the how, what, why, really has no views on anything excpet going to opposite of everyone else, swore in office on a Koran, wouldnt be where he is without being a minority and being a smooth talker....more or less a puppet.
The best strategy? Close your eyes, put names in a hat, flip a coin.
We're screwed either way, each election the canidates are less genuine, have less leadership, less direction, and whackier ideas.
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My philosophy is: "you gotta be a real low-life POS to become involved in politics."
With that said, I don't vote, never will, don't care, won't care, I just kinda ramble through life doing my own thing.
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Obama: No expirence here or foegien policiy, goes around saying "change" but leaves out the how, what, why, really has no views on anything excpet going to opposite of everyone else, swore in office on a Koran, wouldnt be where he is without being a minority and being a smooth talker....more or less a puppet.
Puppet to whom? He doesn't take PAC money OR lobbyist money. He's fighting the "dynamic duo", the Clintons. Which ARE the crux of the democratic party. He's been fighting an uphill battle from day 1.
So since he doesn't take PAC money or lobbyist money and is fighting the strongest couple in the democratic party, exactly who is he a "puppet" for?
BTW- If you go to his web site? It explains "exactly" what his platform is and how he plans to pay for it. But then again, I guess if you don't look, you won't know. But it's there.
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My philosophy is: "you gotta be a real low-life POS to become involved in politics."
With that said, I don't vote, never will, don't care, won't care, I just kinda ramble through life doing my own thing.
So in other words, you had nothing to add to the discussion. No "voting philosophy" what so ever. You just like to blurt things out for shock value and to garner attention.
In that case, well done!
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Not voting is a philosophy. I give my opinion, no matter whether you or who ever judges it relevant or not. So go climb a tree Pit.
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I'm pretty sure it was proven that he took PAC and lobbyist money when he was a senator.
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I'm pretty sure it was proven that he took PAC and lobbyist money when he was a senator.
He has refused to accept any in his bid for the presidency.
And once again, it's what I percieve as more of "a message to Washington" than anything else.
I honestly believe until the public lets Washington know, on no uncertain terms, that we are sick and tired of "party insiders" and life time politicians running our country, rather than having new ideas and new blood, I believe we are stuck in nutreul. Nothing ever changes.
But I believe if they got the message loud and clear, it may "force change".
So my vote for Obama would be the best possible way I can "send this message" so that maybe we will see "some change in the future".
I believe many in our nation are sick and tired life long politicians and special interests running our nation. And there is no "great candidate" to vote for. So if my vote can cause Washington to realise they must change or be kicked to the curb?
I believe it will be a vote well spendt IMO
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No, that's what is known as a "cop out".
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I give my opinion, no matter whether you or who ever judges it relevant or not. So go climb a tree Pit.
Your opinion is "do nothing". That's not a philosophy. That's sitting on your hands and doing nothing.
Face it. It is what it is.
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thanks everybody...
sounds like most of you vote more on issues than character...
the thing i have a problem with issues-based voting is just a personal problem, i guess...i don't have the time, energy, or interest to thoroughly investigate every issue important to this nation...i could probably build a well-informed opinion on an issue or two by electiontime, but certainly not on the economy, the war, healthcare, education, immigration, the environment, foreign policy, etc...neither can any candidate, for that matter...so i suppose i'm looking for someone i believe will surround themselves with high-quality people that DO know the ins and outs of each of these issues...
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I'm pretty sure he has. Not sure how reliable this source is though..it's on about.com which seems pretty non-affiliated in general: PAC Funds I guess I'd be an Independent with some Consrvative leanings, and personally I'm not thrilled by any of them. I used to lean Republican but as I got older I kind of figured out the the parties really don't have anything but staying in power as a goal. Neither really supports what they say they do. McCain is basically a nut job as far as I can tell. I know some think he was great when going against his party, but that is pretty odd for someone that choses to affiliate themselves with one. I respect his military service though...but I don't think that overcomes the my distrust of him. Clinton has serious issues with having any sort of reliability. She's the classic politician "You can tell she's lying when her mouth is moving." She's got a few ideas I agree on, but I get the impression she says what she thinks the audience wants to hear. Obama...I really wanted to believe in the guy. I think a black president could greatly heal some of the things that ail this country. But over time once you start to scrape past the 'hope' and 'change' messages you end up with very liberal ideas. One thing that we can't probably handle given the current economy would be a massive tax hike and government expansion. (Mind you the current group has managed to increase government size against all their party allegedly stands for). I'm very concerned with where the country is going. I don't feel like there is a single person that deserves my vote. Who is really planning on doing something about job losses (that won't cause more damage than has already been done)? Who will address the mess with healthcare? Who will see to it that the national defense isn't crippled? Who will avoid tromping on people's civil rights? Bleh I can't say that any of them will actually adequately meet my objectives 
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Actually, for the first time in my adult life, I am considering not voting for any of the bums we have running.
I don't like any of them.
I don't like McCain ..... can't stand Clinton ..... and don;t want Obama in there. (Both Clinton and Obama have promised to roll back the Bush tax cuts for the "rich" ....... which would cost my not so rich self several thousand dollars per year)
Based solely on tax considerations, McCain should get my vote ... but frankly, I don't trust the man, nor do I trust his new found conservative conversion.
I might just write in Mickey Mouse and live with the consequences.
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I believe you have the right idea.
I mean, you COULD vote for someone based solely "on their platform". Problem being, these bills must be passed by the senate and the congress. So in many cases, what a president "believes in or wants to do" is not possible.
So basing your vote on integrity, character and believability, has far more weight to it than it seems many believe it does.
I just want someone "level headed enough" not to panic and become paranoid when a catastrophic occurance comes about. That doesn't "jump to conclusions" that lead us down the wrong path.
Ideaoligy is what I consider to be a fairly shallow thing to base your vote on. Even when elected, it's often impossible for a president to pass such idealogical legislation.
So voting for who you believe would be the most open and accepting person that you believe would be calm in a time of crisis is just as good of a way to decide your vote as any IMO
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I must admit, Minny would make a pretty good First Lady!
Other than the fact that I feel voting for Obama might send a shockwave into lifetime politicians, I might very well vote for Mickey too!
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Mickey?...you liberals never cease to amaze me...
Donald's military service makes him a much stronger candidate in this post-9/11 world...
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The person/team who I feel will do whats best for the people. The person/team who I feel has the best chance of executing what we vote for. Partisum is a primary inhibitor to progress needed to correct areas that need addressed. The cons/repubs.vs. liberals thing just has to stop... When our system is not all about money, power and ego then we can get back on track... Until then we'll end up with the likes of the total loser that is about to leave office... The current team has done what for this country exactly? The US has become what we fought to not be a couple of hundred years ago...   
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For me, I am afraid it has come down to voting against who I absolutely do not want holding the office of the president, and this election, like most (if I want my vote to count in some small way,) it will be against the democratic candidate. The only difference is, if Hillary is elected I will become physically ill. If it's Obama, I'll simply wonder why everyone disregards his positions on key issues while experiencing utter disgust at the knowledge that the majority of voting Americans based their decision soley on image. JMHO
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Obama: No expirence here or foegien policiy, goes around saying "change" but leaves out the how, what, why, really has no views on anything excpet going to opposite of everyone else, swore in office on a Koran, wouldnt be where he is without being a minority and being a smooth talker....more or less a puppet.
Wow, showing your political knowledge on this one are we. Let me tell you one by one where you're wrong.
Experience: Illinois State Senate since 1997. US Senator since 2004.
Change: He actually does explain what he wants and how to get it done. Go on his website and look it up. His website covers IN DEPTH how he wants to accomplish his goals. He explains his stances and "doesn't go against the grain for fun" as you put it. Oh, and he wrote 2 in depth books discussing his beliefs, how they were formed and what and HOW he plans to accomplish his goals..but let's just dismiss all that.
Swore in on the Koran? Number one, that's a GREAT reason to dismiss someone's opinion because of religion. Second of all, this might be a shocker to you, but he swore in on the Bible..you know like how the rest of the Christians do...because that's what he is. Keith Ellison is the Muslim you're thinking of, but who cares they're all black so it's close enough right? Plus, God forbid we ever let a Muslim serve in office. Don't you know following that faith automatically makes you a horrible person who wants to kill Americans? Your post screams of ignorance, racism, bigotry and I'm willing to bet you won't address this post because you know you are wrong and have nothing to back up what you say.
Here's the link so you can look for yourself
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As for my voting philosophy, it's pretty simple. I look for someone that agrees with what I want and where I want this country to go. They have to be bipartisan because they are the President and represent all of us, not just those who voted for them, regardless of what Bush may think. Second, the person has to be someone I can believe in. I have to believe they want to do the things they say. Hillary screams politician to me and will do anything to get elected, I have no respect for her...and it has nothing to do with her sex. McCain, he's a good guy, I believe, but I just disagree with him too much on everything especially Iraq, which I think will be his downfall in the fall. So obviously, I support Obama. He's the uniter and I believe while still a bit green, is perfect for what this country needs right now.
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In 2000, during the primary season, by far the candidate I wanted the most was McCain. To be honest, I feel that we have 3 great candidates, that are better than any we have had in the last two general elections. For each their own reason they stand out.
The thing that makes me confused about McCain lately is his "League of Democracies"... Maybe its that his idea is new and hasnt been fully communicated, but how does shaking up the G8, leaving Russia and China on the outside looking in...help foreign relations or even the US Domestic Economy... He seems a little out of touch with todays world.
Clinton, makes me both excited and nervous about her health care plan. It would help my mothers parents out, but cost all the rest of my family alot of money... touchy subject.
Obama, does lack concrete plans...I am all for hope and change but...give me some details bro...plus whats the deal with that wacky pastor?
Two things that would win me over 100%. A triple-bottom line accounting policy, and a commitment to breaking up monopoly and oligopoly as outlined in the Sherman Act. I just feel that to many US Industries are being run by to few businesses and that is what is hurting the US consumer. Plus they have little to no incentive to innovate if there is no competition.
JMHO
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Actually, for the first time in my adult life, I am considering not voting for any of the bums we have running.
In the end I know you will, but you then need to vote for the best of the bums.
I have been voting a long time and and really can't remember a time when someone hit all of my marks.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I'm never again going to have a candidate who represents what I want in a leader.
What took you so long to realize that politicians don't represent their constituents or that constituents have no real power over what their elected politicians do.
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It's simple for me....IMHO Foreign Policy is the key....We must have External Security to have Internal Security....That said , I feel more secure with McCain as President  ....
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