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CNN) -- The military is investigating a "shocking and deplorable" YouTube video that seems to show a Marine throwing a puppy off a rocky cliff. YouTube.com removed the video for violating the Web site's terms of use. The black-and-white puppy makes a yelping sound as it flies through the air. "That's mean, that was mean," one companion says off-camera, addressing the alleged puppy thrower by his last name. The fate of the animal is not known. The Marine is identified on the video and in other Internet postings as a lance corporal stationed at Marine Corps Base Hawaii in Kaneohe. It's not clear where the video was shot, although the man who appears to throw the puppy and another Marine are in full combat gear with helmets. YouTube.com had taken down the video by 12:30 p.m. ET Tuesday "due to terms of use violation," according to a banner on the Web site. "This is a shocking and deplorable video that is contrary to the high standards that we set for every Marine," Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Chris Perrine said at a news conference Monday night. "We will investigate this and take appropriate actions," Perrine said. He said the Marine is being kept safe in view of the anger over the alleged incident. Perrine added that the majority of Marines conduct themselves honorably. "There are many examples of Marines who adopt pets and bring them back from Iraq and demonstrate their compassion on a daily basis," he said. If the video is deemed legitimate, the lance corporal could face a charge of conduct unbecoming a Marine, Perrine said. There could be administrative action, nonjudicial punishment or a court-martial, he added. "It's all governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and anything from reduction in pay to reduction in rank to confinement to discharge from the Marine Corps" is possible, Perrine said. If others are involved, they too will be disciplined, he said. "Certainly, there's a lot of outrage, and a lot of people are upset about it. I think every Marine is upset about this video," he said. "We hope that it turns out not to be what it looks like." http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.htmlWhat a jerk 
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Reprimand?? Yes.
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The important thing is that public opinion should have no bearing, so what we or anyone else thinks should not be considered at all.
Only the opinion of the UCMJ should be considered.
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If things are as they appear the first thing I'd do is send him for a psychological evaluation. He apparently places no value on life and has no empathy for suffering, somethings wrong with him. Puppies today. People tomorrow?:(
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Considering he is in a war it was probably people yesterday and puppies tomorrow. Animal cruelty is a felony, and Ive seen Marines get court martialed for less. He is in some doo-doo I think. The Marine Corps will make an example out of him, and should.
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Someone on another forum that i go to called it, The War on Terrier.....
I hate cruelty to animals btw but chuckled at the play on words...didn't watch the vid. either.
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Court Martial? Oh, Hell, yes.
Or just toss him over the cliff. His choice.
I have no use for people that would abuse women, children or animals. We're supposed to be at the top of the food chain, not hanging around the bottom.
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If this is all true, he should be arrested for cruelty to animals. If charged and found to be guilty, it would make him guilty of a felony, and then he should be court marshaled.
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Court Martial is actually just any serious disciplinary action, not just the big ones on TV, there are multiple levels. I was court marshalled for far less than that. The marine should be punished rather severely, putting the video on youtube caused significant damage. A summary court martial would certainly be in order.
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Wow,...
The worst part is, the general "unknowing" public will believe that this turd did this because of some formal or informal indoctrination as a Marine. That is the real horror of such a story.
I would like (and am qualified) to be the summary court-martial officer at this trial. He would clean a lot of crap out of a lot of military kennels,....
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If things are as they appear the first thing I'd do is send him for a psychological evaluation. He apparently places no value on life and has no empathy for suffering, somethings wrong with him.
That's what I was thinking,this guy must have no sense of feeling. Maybe he's a person the military should consider putting on the front line in future combat. I'm glad to see the Marine Corp taking the situation seriously.
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That is the real horror of such a story.
I thought the "horror" of the situation would be that a dog got killed, not that it hurts the public image of a business.
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He apparently places no value on life and has no empathy for suffering,
Isn't that good? We send these guys to go kill people they don't know, and then expect them to value life and have empathy for suffering? If they did that, then what we're asking them to do is emotional torture to themselves.
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I've seen the video.
There are just some things about it that doesn't seem right. I'm not so sure it's fake, but I'm not sure it's real either. I'll just let the investigation play itself out and reserve judgement.
If it's determined to be real, then the guy needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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I find it sadly ironic that we send young men out into horrific conditions to murder and maim, and then cry foul when one of them loses perspective.
With that said, court-martial the moron.
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Isn't that good? .
No! Thats bad.
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Everybody was concerned that the Europeans were laughing at us because we cared that our President was a cheater and a liar... I wonder if the terrorists are laughing at us because we would kick a guy out of the military for hurting a dog.
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I am THE last person that this marine wants sitting on any jury that would control his fate....
Hurt a Puppy,, you go 10 rounds with Lennox Lewis,, and your hands are tied behind your back and your feet are shackled..
KILL a Puppy,,, you get the fireing squad....
I don't know what it is with me, but for some reason, I can't stand it when people mistreat animals...
You know how I'm always accused of riding a fence on subjects.... Well, I wouldn't get accused of that when it comes to cruelty to animals,, especially dogs...
Man I was hoping that Mike Vick would get the Death penalty.... I know, I know,, it's extreme... like I said, there must be something wrong with me for feeling this way... but it is what it is..
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Me either Daman and it surprises me how often it happens as well. There should be much harsher punishments for sicko's who abuse animals for the thrill of it. I sure as hell don't want somebody like that living in my neighborhood and I would pound somebody big time if I ever witnessed someone abusing a animal 
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Very true,...I did not mean to overlook the death of the puppy. The fact remains, this is a story because it involves a Marine.
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Very true,...I did not mean to overlook the death of the puppy. The fact remains, this is a story because it involves a Marine.
Maybe that's true for you,,, But for me, it's a story because it involves cruelty to animals, namely a little puppy... I really don't think it would matter if the guy was a Marine, Sailor, Pilot, Welder, male gigilo, cod fisherman or out of work used car salesman... doesn't matter to me what a man does for living,,,
But whatever it is, as far as I'm concerned,, mistreat an animal,, I'm ready to hang them from the nearest tree... It's that freakin simple...
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I agree with your point(s),....fact is, the Corps gets dragged through the mud because the media wants it that way. How many other puppies were mistreated in the past year that we never heard about,....?
BTW, I am with you on the maltreatment of animals, and this is why I cannot bear to go to the shelter and rescue a replacement for my dog who died last summer.
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Everybody was concerned that the Europeans were laughing at us because we cared that our President was a cheater and a liar... I wonder if the terrorists are laughing at us because we would kick a guy out of the military for hurting a dog.
Seriously? Dude, turn off the Rush Limbaugh, you are seriously out of touch with reality.
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Everybody was concerned that the Europeans were laughing at us because we cared that our President was a cheater and a liar... I wonder if the terrorists are laughing at us because we would kick a guy out of the military for hurting a dog.
Seriously? Dude, turn off the Rush Limbaugh, you are seriously out of touch with reality.
Well, I sure won't tell you to turn ON Rush, but seriously - you think the terrorists don't laugh at this kind of thing? Please.
What's more scary is, the terrorists know what kind of crap our soldiers have to do before they are allowed to fiire their weapons. If not directly fired upon, they basically have to radio for clearance in order to shoot. Not really the way a war is supposed to be fought...........at least not if you want to win.
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If there was gambling involved he shoud go to prison for 18 months.
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Reprimand?? Yes.
Court Martial? No.
Ditto. Throw in some service at a local animal shelter as well.
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Jut throwing this out there. Did many of you know that there is a major problem in Iraq with packs of wild stray dogs attacking people including soldiers? Not saying I condone what the guy did but just thought I would shed a little bit of a different light on the subject.
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Well, I sure won't tell you to turn ON Rush, but seriously - you think the terrorists don't laugh at this kind of thing? Please.
I didn't know that terrorists laughing has ever hurt anyone?
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I am THE last person that this marine wants sitting on any jury that would control his fate....
Hurt a Puppy,, you go 10 rounds with Lennox Lewis,, and your hands are tied behind your back and your feet are shackled..
KILL a Puppy,,, you get the fireing squad....
I don't know what it is with me, but for some reason, I can't stand it when people mistreat animals...
You know how I'm always accused of riding a fence on subjects.... Well, I wouldn't get accused of that when it comes to cruelty to animals,, especially dogs...
Man I was hoping that Mike Vick would get the Death penalty.... I know, I know,, it's extreme... like I said, there must be something wrong with me for feeling this way... but it is what it is..
I feel exactly the same way.
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Agreed....Unless other such situations come to light or if he is proven unstable  ....
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Stray dogs might be attacking people and that can be a problem I understand, but if for 1 second you think that puppy is maiming our soldiers theres a local NA meeting in your town somewhere. 
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Stray dogs might be attacking people and that can be a problem I understand, but if for 1 second you think that puppy is maiming our soldiers theres a local NA meeting in your town somewhere.
Maybe you need to take your own suggestion and attend that NA meeting.
Does that puppy stay a puppy for very long??
If you lived in a area where wolf packs had become a problem and were attacking and killing children, and you discovered a den filled with a litter of wolf pups, would you just walk away and leave the pups knowing they would grow up to be more wolves in a population that had gotten out of control and were a danger to society?
Like I said, I dont condone that the guy threw that puppy off a cliff but I was just pointing out that there may be a slightly different view of puppies over there, especially if they are the puppies of stray, wild dogs.
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First off there is a lot of soldiers adopting the strays in Iraq. So being a puppy and is HARMLESS why do what the Marine did. Simple hes messed in the head. You simply find a home for the pup, not a hard thing to do considering there is so many lonely soldiers in Iraq.
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Its just a dog though. however heartless we all may feel his actions were----it still only resulted in the death of a dog. A stray dog. Big deal.
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Its just a dog though. however heartless we all may feel his actions were----it still only resulted in the death of a dog. A stray dog. Big deal.
To a lot of people, me included, dogs are more than "just dogs." I never understood the thinking that any life other than human life is devalued and unimportant. Why should the murder of a dog be looked past because it is "just a dog?"
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I'm not saying its unimportant---I'm saying that a dogs life and a humans life are not equal. Thats why you put down your fun little doggy when you decide that its not able to live a decent life anymore. Thats why dogs are euthanized all over the country. Thats why we use dogs in science, in police work. B/c the life of a dog is not as valuable as a human.
i know most people don't like to hear this. But it is the cold fact of the matter.
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First off there is a lot of soldiers adopting the strays in Iraq. So being a puppy and is HARMLESS why do what the Marine did. Simple hes messed in the head. You simply find a home for the pup, not a hard thing to do considering there is so many lonely soldiers in Iraq.
If it was that easy to find a home for the puppies then they wouldnt have packs of wild dogs that are causing problems.
So you didnt anser the question I asked, wolf puppies are pretty harmless too right?? So you would let them live??
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If it was that easy to find a home for the puppies then they wouldnt have packs of wild dogs that are causing problems.
LMAO.....What packs of wild dogs do you keep referring to ? Maybe you can find a story or provide a link to something ? Not saying you're lying but I have not heard of all these problems of wild packs of dogs in Iraq. However a Marine taking a puppy and chucking it over a cliff on camera is absurd 
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First off there is a lot of soldiers adopting the strays in Iraq. So being a puppy and is HARMLESS why do what the Marine did. Simple hes messed in the head. You simply find a home for the pup, not a hard thing to do considering there is so many lonely soldiers in Iraq.
If it was that easy to find a home for the puppies then they wouldnt have packs of wild dogs that are causing problems.
So you didnt anser the question I asked, wolf puppies are pretty harmless too right?? So you would let them live??
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Actually, for the most part, wolf puppies are harmless. Like almost every other animal, a wolf will almost always avoid a human if at all possible. Obviously there are cases that state otherwise, but for the most part wild animals will avoid humans if possible.
So yes, if I find a litter of wolf pups, I let them live.
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I asked, wolf puppies are pretty harmless too right?? So you would let them live??
So we should start killing all the baby alligators in Florida because they have been known to hurt people when they are older 
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