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Police: Teacher shot at Ohio elementary school BREAKING NEWS NBC, MSNBC and news services updated 1 hour, 7 minutes ago PORTSMOUTH, Ohio - A female teacher was shot inside the Notre Dame Elementary school in Portsmouth, Ohio., police said Thursday. Portsmouth police told NBC News that the suspect in the school shooting was the husband of the teacher who was shot. The suspect was no longer on school grounds and students were reported to be safe. Please check back for updates on this breaking news story. link What kind of guy would subject all those kids to something like that?
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people make some very bad choices in their lives that they do not realize or care if it affects other people I hope the authorities catch the shooter very soon
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Great, now folks are really gonna want free healthcare to pay for these kids' therapy bills after seeing their teacher get shot.
Hope she's alright.
Whoever it was that did this, in front of kids.... THIS is why we need electric chairs.
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When I first saw the title on website I thought it was an elementary student who shot up a school, which would have been terrible.
I don't know if this situation is worse or not, though.
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THIS is why we need electric chairs.
Or firing squad execution style.
Take him out the same way he meant to take someone else out.
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I thought the same thing.... I blame the post in "America's Greatest Threat" thread that has a picture of Stewie Griffin. I mean, we all saw what he's capable of when Brian made the mistake of not paying a bet immediately 
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Exactly. I have no idea what goes through the mind of somebody who would do this... but it's like a person who plans on committing suicide by driving into on-coming traffic or somebody who drives off a cliff with the kids in the car... If you absolutely have to do it, leave everybody else out of it... just like this shooter.. could he not have shot her at home, did he have to do it with a bunch of kids around?
I'm not condoning the act as if it would have been OK to shoot her at home.. but for the love of God, leave everybody else and the kids out of it.
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Whoever it was that did this, in front of kids.... THIS is why we need electric chairs.
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What a horrible thing. I certainly don't sympathize with this guy at all, and he deserves everything he gets. However, I just think, can you imagine getting to a point in your life where something as heinous as this seems like the best possible choice? Tough to even fathom.
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THIS is why we need electric chairs.
Or firing squad execution style.
Take him out the same way he meant to take someone else out.
Unless, of course, he was executing her because of something awful she did, right?
Or is it possible we don't have all the facts yet?
If the headline was "Woman ties down, then electrocutes man in front of 20 gawking spectators," would you be outraged? That's the electric chair.
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Not jumping to conclusions...too much like right!
However, he didn't have to do that in front of the kids, if it was in fact in front of the kids.
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Unless, of course, he was executing her because of something awful she did, right?
Or is it possible we don't have all the facts yet?
I'm all for waiting until the facts are in... but that's a reach. What do you think she might have done to warrant being shot at work?
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Not if a jury had determined the punishment. Just like him, I want him to get a fair and speedy trial before they hang him.
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THIS is why we need electric chairs.
Or firing squad execution style.
Take him out the same way he meant to take someone else out.
Unless, of course, he was executing her because of something awful she did, right?
Or is it possible we don't have all the facts yet?
If the headline was "Woman ties down, then electrocutes man in front of 20 gawking spectators," would you be outraged? That's the electric chair.
I doubt those "20 gawking spectators" would be elementary students who had absolutely nothing to do with the situation.
And might I ask what you think would be a justifiable reason for him to shoot her in an elementary school? Was whatever she did so awful that he couldn't wait until she left, or simply shoot her whenever she did this act?
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If the headline was "Woman ties down, then electrocutes man in front of 20 gawking spectators," would you be outraged? That's the electric chair.
Those Gawking spectators your refering to are there on thier own accord, not becuase they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. If they dont wanna see a electracution, than they have the right to leave. So that argument towards the electric chair is notta.....Bring back sparky
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Do we live in Hell? Lots of pain, suffering, chaos, genocide, homicide, suicide, diseases, cruelty towards humans, cruelty towards animals, selfishness, greed, poverty, etc. Couldn't I make a sound argument that this is Hell that we live in?
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Was whatever she did so awful that he couldn't wait until she left, or simply shoot her whenever she did this act?
Or, perhaps, not shoot her at all? If she did something so terrible, I'm sure the legal system would work itself out.
I know you and others aren't saying this, but its coming off like if she did something to warrant getting shot, then he was justified in doing it, just not at work.
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http://www.wbns.com/?sec=&story=sites/10tv/content/pool/200802/1661657295.htmlSuspect Dead After School Shooting Feb 07 2008 3:06PM PORTSMOUTH, Ohio - Police said the man who allegedly shot his wife inside a school on Thursday morning later killed himself. The shooting occurred at about 9 a.m. at Notre Dame Elementary, a private, Catholic school on the main road in Portsmouth, a community in southern Ohio near the Kentucky border. Authorities later surrounded a nearby home and later determined the gunman, William Layne, killed himself, 10TV's Kevin Landers reported. A student who was inside the school said she hid in a coatroom when gunshots rang out. "Some of us were in the coatroom and some of the people ran out the door," she said. "I was in the coatroom and we heard it all. The police officers came in and got us." After the shooting, SWAT teams surrounded a home about 2 miles from the school where they believe the Layne, 56, was inside. Shots were heard fired from inside the house. Kim Harris, who cares for a man who lives next door, said at one point police fired at the house after gunshots came from inside the home. Police "told us to get down on the floor and stay in the back of the house," she said. A Portsmouth radio station reported that Layne's wife, Christi Layne, was in stable condition after the shooting, Landers reported. 10TV News learned that Christi Lane, 53, was a fifth grade teacher at the school. No other injuries were reported inside the school, Landers reported. Parents, many with cell phones clutched to their ears, congregated in a church parking lot across the street from the school. They began leaving with their children around 10:30 a.m., said Kathy Hall, who works at the Cornerstone United Methodist Church. The scene outside the school was chaotic with police cars and few ambulances descending on the school and the fire department blocking off the street, Hall said. "I wasn't afraid for my own safety, I was afraid for the children, because these turn out so terrible, you know," she said. The church's pastor said he went out to talk to parents and grandparents, who were shaken. "Just imagine if that were your child there," Rev. Clark Hess said. He described fearful parents caught up in a "swirl of differing scenarios and stories" about what had happened. The school and another Catholic school nearby were locked down for a period, said Deacon Tom Berg, vice chancellor of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus. "We are mobilizing our crisis team and sending them down," Berg said. Public schools also were put on lockdown, said Jan Broughton, the school superintendent. About 160 children from preschool through sixth grade attend the three-story, yellow brick school, which has 15 teachers. (Information from The Associated Press contributed to this report.)
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I'm not offering anything or saying she deserved it or any of that. I'm just making the point that reading one newspaper article with limited facts is a bit early to say someone deserves to be executed. We are often so quick to judge and lay blame and seek vengence. The story is seldom, if ever, black and white.
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Was whatever she did so awful that he couldn't wait until she left, or simply shoot her whenever she did this act?
Or, perhaps, not shoot her at all? If she did something so terrible, I'm sure the legal system would work itself out.
I know you and others aren't saying this, but its coming off like if she did something to warrant getting shot, then he was justified in doing it, just not at work.
There aren't a lot of things that justify killing someone else. Murder or forceful rape of a family member are basically the only things I consider to warrant killing someone. And even if that were the case here, to subject the children of that school to it is still not justified whatsoever.
EDIT: While our legal system does a lot of good, it doesn't always 'work itself out'. See: OJ Simpson.
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Do we live in Hell? Lots of pain, suffering, chaos, genocide, homicide, suicide, diseases, cruelty towards humans, cruelty towards animals, selfishness, greed, poverty, etc. Couldn't I make a sound argument that this is Hell that we live in?
Or how about the argument that there cannot possibly be an all-loving super being watching over us.... And this is what he wants for us...
How can god(s) be watching over our world and be happy with how it is currently working?....
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Do we live in Hell? Lots of pain, suffering, chaos, genocide, homicide, suicide, diseases, cruelty towards humans, cruelty towards animals, selfishness, greed, poverty, etc. Couldn't I make a sound argument that this is Hell that we live in?
Or how about the argument that there cannot possibly be an all-loving super being watching over us.... And this is what he wants for us...
How can god(s) be watching over our world and be happy with how it is currently working?....
Aside from the "supposed" times of Adam and Eve, has there ever been a recorded period on this planet where there was no violence or cruelty?
It's unrealistic to think we can achieve something like that. It's part of humanity.
If there was no bad, how could we determine what's good?
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It's unrealistic to think we can achieve something like that. It's part of humanity.
Here's where we have a parting of the ways, TI...
For every Charles Manson we have on the planet there's a Mahatma Ghandi. I think that even if it seems unrealistic to expect it's ultimately VERY reasonable to want.
In the end, I have no control over what another chunk of 98.6 does, but I DO have control over my own behavior. It all comes down to taking personal responsibility for how YOUR own world spins... and I refuse to let Man's baser behaviors force me to give in to despair.
I'll work my ass off to remain civil, courteous and under control... not to necessarily make the entire world a better place to live, but to make my own world a better place to be. Hopefully those who are near me will be effected positively by my attitude, and "pay it forward."
When all is said and done, it's the only thing decent people can do.
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Do we live in Hell? Lots of pain, suffering, chaos, genocide, homicide, suicide, diseases, cruelty towards humans, cruelty towards animals, selfishness, greed, poverty, etc. Couldn't I make a sound argument that this is Hell that we live in?
Or how about the argument that there cannot possibly be an all-loving super being watching over us.... And this is what he wants for us...
How can god(s) be watching over our world and be happy with how it is currently working?....
Aside from the "supposed" times of Adam and Eve, has there ever been a recorded period on this planet where there was no violence or cruelty?
It's unrealistic to think we can achieve something like that. It's part of humanity.
If there was no bad, how could we determine what's good?
I really doubt ' good ' needs any ' bad ' to " determine " it. I agree though, that humanity seems to have a horrible time/way of displaying such judgement.
The blame is on the system that allows such behavior to be accepted.
Half of this nonsense stops with a public execution on PBS.
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Easily... it isn't what He wants for us, but He gave us Self Will just as He gave us everything else.... He may try to guide us, doesn't stop us from doing what our Self Will wants us to do.
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For every Charles Manson we have on the planet there's a Mahatma Ghandi. I think that even if it seems unrealistic to expect it's ultimately VERY reasonable to want.
Right there is the thing, though. For every good person, there is an equal amount of the bad. With a ratio like that, it'll be impossible to create a world without cruelty.
I basically agree with the rest of what your said. It's all about making your world a better place for you, in a responsible, civil manner.
Unfortunately, there will always be those people who forget the responsible, civil part.
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There aren't a lot of things that justify killing someone else. Murder or forceful rape of a family member are basically the only things I consider to warrant killing someone. And even if that were the case here, to subject the children of that school to it is still not justified whatsoever.
EDIT: While our legal system does a lot of good, it doesn't always 'work itself out'. See: OJ Simpson.
Legal system point noted, but OJ got off because he's famous and because of Johnnie Cochran. Not because of a random chance of fault in our legal system. Some Ohio school teacher would have a harder time pulling that off than Simpson did.
Just a difference of opinion on the matter, I guess. I don't think killing anyone can be justified, no matter what they've done. Just a personal belief.
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Just a difference of opinion on the matter, I guess. I don't think killing anyone can be justified, no matter what they've done. Just a personal belief.
Fair enough.
On a side note; Has anyone else read OJ's book that the Goldman family put out, "If I Did It?"
It was insane, and one of the most disturbing things I've read. 
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I'm not offering anything or saying she deserved it or any of that. I'm just making the point that reading one newspaper article with limited facts is a bit early to say someone deserves to be executed. We are often so quick to judge and lay blame and seek vengence. The story is seldom, if ever, black and white.
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Well said Clem, there are far more decent people in the world than bad. The hand wringers just like to get up in arms over the few and condemn all of us.
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First, I hope what I heard is true, and the proceeds from that abomination go to the Goldman's and not O.J. Did you actually buy the book???
Second, I saw the cover of that book and think it's hilarious that they print the word "IF" in tiny tiny text, so that from a distance it looks like the title reads "I DID IT."
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Has anybody noticed that the story changed from the man shooting his wife to stabbing her? Stabbed someone else too? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OH_TEACHER_STABBING_OHOL-?SITE=WBNSTV&SECTION=HOMEFeb 8, 9:47 AM EST Police: Man facing divorce stabs estranged wife, another woman By TERRY KINNEY Associated Press Writer PORTSMOUTH, Ohio (AP) -- A teacher who police say was stabbed by her estranged husband in front of a classroom of fifth-graders feared he would harm her, court records show. Police say William Michael Layne, 56, also stabbed a second woman, 22-year-old Stephanie Loop, minutes before attacking his wife Thursday morning, and they don't know why. Loop's cousin, Chrissy Shepherd, told the Portsmouth Daily Times that Layne considered Loop to be his girlfriend. "I don't know if he feared she was abandoning him or what," Shepherd told the Portsmouth Daily Times. The cousins were pulling into the driveway at Shepherd's house when Layne "came out of nowhere" and started stabbing Loop, she said. "He kept slashing at her, but for the most part, the knife was just ripping her coat," Shepherd said. "We jumped inside and I locked the door, locked the front door, too, and called 911." Layne and his wife, Christi, 53, separated in the summer, said neighbor Jack Freeland, who noted that the husband had a temper. "If he didn't like something, he'd tell you straight up how it was," Freeland said. It was that bluntness that pushed Christi Layne to seek a civil protection order and a divorce. "He said I better enjoy myself because it will be soon," she wrote in a restraining order request. "I am afraid that he will hurt me or my son when he is mad." She said Layne, who went by the name Mike, threatened her and her son on Dec. 26. A judge on Jan. 15 ordered him to stay at least 100 yards from her. But on Thursday, police say, he entered Notre Dame Elementary School shortly after 9 a.m., walked into her third-floor classroom and stabbed her in front of 17 students. About four-and-a-half hours later, his body was found with an apparent self-inflicted shotgun wound. Police engaged in a three-hour standoff with Layne at his home before finding him dead in his garage. At least one shot apparently fired by Layne hit the living room wall of a neighboring home, Portsmouth Police Chief Charles Horner told The Columbus Dispatch. Christi Layne was taken to Cabell Hospital in Huntington, W.Va., where she underwent surgery and "should be fine," her lawyer told The Dispatch. Hospital personnel would not release her condition. Loop was at Grant Medical Center in Columbus, where staff would not release information about her Friday at Loop's request. Both women were in critical but stable condition, Horner said Thursday. Christi Layne had filed for divorce on Jan 25. Police had been involved in a domestic dispute between the Laynes around that time, Horner said, but he did not give details. "She was terrified something like this would happen," said Rebecca Bennett, Christi Layne's attorney said Thursday. "I spoke with her actually a couple of days ago and she was still extremely worried." Jim Arnzen, who lives in the apartment unit next to Christi Layne's, said she had a security system installed before moving in about two months ago. "It's such a small school, when I heard that a teacher had been stabbed, I thought, 'Oh my gosh, is that her?'" Arnzen said. Arnzen's 12-year-old daughter, Jen, had been excited when Layne moved in next door because she had been the girl's teacher two years ago. "She was really fun and nice, and I really liked her," the girl said. Michael Layne, who retired in 2004 as an assistant director of the city's water distribution plant, was similarly friendly toward his neighbors in his working-class neighborhood near the Ohio River. Freeland said he talked to him almost every day and called him a nice guy. Layne would always wave when he drove by - including just after police say he stabbed the two women. "My fiance was sitting out on the front porch this morning about a quarter after nine," Freeland said. "He waved. She waved. She didn't know anything had happened at this point." Less than an hour earlier, police say, Layne stabbed Loop, then walked into the yellow-brick Roman Catholic school, stabbed his wife and fired at least one shot from a gun. Horner said it was unclear whether the bullet hit Layne. Student Emmaly Baker said she hid in the classroom's coatroom when Layne walked in. "We heard gunshots, and we heard her yelling. I was scared," Baker told WSAZ-TV. "The police officer came and got us, and she was still laying there and she was hurt really bad." Krista Gohmann, a parent of a sixth grader, was in the school talking to the principal when the gunfire erupted. The principal ordered a school lock down, and the office secretary climbed under a desk and dialed 911, Gohmann said. "The children ran down the steps. They ran into the office," she said. "They were screaming and said their teacher had been shot." Police said they were reviewing surveillance video from the school to determine how Michael Layne entered the building. "The doors are locked. So people can't just walk into the school," said Larry Mullins, spokesman for the county's Emergency Management Agency. Classes were canceled on Friday, said Deacon Tom Berg, vice chancellor of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus. Thursday evening, an overflow crowd of more than 500 jammed St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church in Portsmouth for a prayer service. Many said they did not know the victims but came to show support for the families and students affected by the attacks. Mike Sammons said he went to the church because his daughter had been a student of Christi Layne. "You think in a small town, a small Christian school, you send your children there to kind of protect them from things like this," Sammons said. "But you just never know when or where things are going to happen."
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Here is our local coverage. http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/15395431.htmlLots of links to yesterdays events. The full picture of what happened is still cloudy. It was a tragic event, and I hope the children get help they will need.
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First, I hope what I heard is true, and the proceeds from that abomination go to the Goldman's and not O.J. Did you actually buy the book???
Second, I saw the cover of that book and think it's hilarious that they print the word "IF" in tiny tiny text, so that from a distance it looks like the title reads "I DID IT."
Yeah I'm pretty sure all profits went directly to the Goldman's. And yes I bought it, seemed too interesting of a read to pass up.
I also laughed when I saw the actual title. What's better is the actual title is, "If I Did It. Confessions of The Killer"
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I'm not offering anything or saying she deserved it or any of that. I'm just making the point that reading one newspaper article with limited facts is a bit early to say someone deserves to be executed. We are often so quick to judge and lay blame and seek vengence. The story is seldom, if ever, black and white.
Wow, I can only think of a few. You ahve a vivid imagination.
Yeah, I can think of a million justifications for walking into a school and killing someone.
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Ah, I detect from your recent posts somebody who just wants attention. It's cute.
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Ah, I detect from your recent posts somebody who just wants attention. It's cute.
So I'm not the only one?
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Ah, I detect from your recent posts somebody who just wants attention. It's cute.
So I'm not the only one?
Yes please please, give me more attention. You caught me, alright.
Notice in my posts, however, I use logic and reasoning to argue your points, and don't resort to insults or name calling. Even when I write something I think might get one of you going, doesn't mean I don't believe it.
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Notice in my posts, however, I use logic and reasoning to argue your points,
Sure you do. Why don't you compare a baby, and a chicken again 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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