DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Tim Couch is a "hero"

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Couch got put in Brett Favre's shoes......and couldn't get the ball 10 yards downfield because of his bad wing, a wing that was ALWAYS sore and troublesome, long before his third year in the league.

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Oh come on Toad,,, that is misrepresenting the facts there my friend....

True that Couch didn't have a "brett favre" type arm even on his best day, but to critique a guy because he's injured is just about crazy....

Also, his arm wasn't ALWAYS sore and TROUBLESOME until he came to Cleveland and got sacked a million times in just a few short years..

So your comment kinda incorrect Toad.....

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It's unfortunate that people sometimes fail to recall facts, simply because they felt for a specific player. You simply don't remember that Couch always had a sore arm, whether it was his elbow or his shoulder.

Think he wore that band around his forearm as a fashion statement? I used to wear one because I had tendonitis in a chronic way. Couch had those same problems in college, and NOT because he "got sacked a million times in just a few short years."

Of course you'd want some proof. I would as well. So, without further adeu.....

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The embattled quarterback Tim Couch again struggled to spark the Browns' offense, but Cleveland scored its first touchdown since the preseason opener when Errict Rhett dove in from 1 yard with 11:09 left in the second quarter. Couch, who did not practice until Thursday while resting a sore arm, was 7 of 11 for 96 yards.

Published: August 27, 2000

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So that's that. He played in all 15 games as a rookie, starting all 14 after Detmer bottomed out. There's no evidence that any injury caused his sore arm. He often had a sore arm in camp as well. Don't remember all that? I sure do. It was always an issue for me.

There are other bits and pieces throughout the net that show evidence of a sore arm and problems with the elbow that really didn't have anything to do with getting hit. It was nothing more than wear and tear from throwing.

Ever torn scar tissue? I have. Feels like you've broken something. Couch did as well when he tore some scar tissue in his elbow prior to the '02 season. Yet another case where he sat out because his arm was hurting. Here's a snippet:

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Still, Couch never would have been a great pro quarterback. He matriculated in a glorified high-school offense at UK, with a playbook the size of Karen Carpenter's grocery list. He never had proper mechanics, throwing with a Kent Tekulve-esque three-quarters motion that probably contributed to the repeated bouts of tendonitis he suffered throughout his short career.

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Setting aside the sarcasm, the fact that Couch always had tendonitis and arm problems began long before he was smacked around behind a bad line.

That wasn't a secret.

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Couch, who has a sore right arm after tearing scar tissue near his elbow in the preseason, was kept out of throwing drills as the team prepared for the opener against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Per Rick Dean of the Capital Journal in Kansas. Sept. 6 2002.

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So what fact did I misrepresent?

I didn't say he was right. In fact, my very point was that he was injured, and that his injuries had always been one of his biggest problems. Those injuries started long before his problems with the line.

Is it not a fact that he missed the second half of the 2000 season because he smacked his thumb on a guys helmet? That has nothing to do with his sore elbow or shoulder.

Sorry D. Couch needed all the help in the world just to cover up the things he didn't do well. He never got that help here.

So I repeat: Couch is out of the league not because he sucked, but because he always had a bad wing dating back to his earliest days. Whether or not he had enough game to be a bonfide starter is open to discussion, but he came to the NFL as a product of a dink-dunk system not dissimiliar to that which made David Klingler and Andre Ware 1st round picks. That same type of system created the hype that made Alex Smith a #1 pick, and he's a bonifide dud.

If I've misrepresented anything, please, feel free. I'm bored

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Couch got put in Brett Favre's shoes......and couldn't get the ball 10 yards downfield because of his bad wing, a wing that was ALWAYS sore and troublesome, long before his third year in the league. [/quote

How do you figure Couch was put in Favre's shoes? I don't think the Packers were an expansion team in the '90's...

Granted, they weren't that great in 1991, but I definitely wouldn't put that team on the same level as the 1999 Browns.

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Couch got put in Brett Favre's shoes......and couldn't get the ball 10 yards downfield because of his bad wing, a wing that was ALWAYS sore and troublesome, long before his third year in the league.

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How do you figure Couch was put in Favre's shoes? I don't think the Packers were an expansion team in the '90's...

Granted, they weren't that great in 1991, but I definitely wouldn't put that team on the same level as the 1999 Browns.

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Because Couch got signed by the Packers. That was Favre's team, no? When Favre rested, Couch got his shot. So....Couch got put in Favre's shoes.

He couldn't play because his arm was shot. His arm was shot because it only had so many throws in it, and that was proven because he always had arm problems. Those problems existed even in his rookie camp.

A leads to B leads to C leads to D.

Did the fact that he got beat up pretty badly help his arm issues? No, it didn't. But that isn't my arguement. I've stated quite clearly that he had pre-existing troubles long before his third year in the league.....and I proved it. Furthermore, other QB's in NFL history took punishment like Couch did, and weren't forced out of the league because of arm troubles. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY got sacked and hit like David Carr. His arm is fine. David Carr never had a sore arm in camp the way Couch did every season, including his rookie year and every camp after that. His chronic arm problems are well-documented, even if people don't care to remember them.

D, yes, I'm pointing to an article from 2000 that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he had existing arm problems well-before his second year of punishment in the league. Sorry it's not enough for you.

Now that I really think about it, Couch isn't a hero. He's actually far from it. Any REAL hero status he had went out the window with that phony-balogny grevience he filed against the Packers, and then his subsequent admission that he used steroids or HGH to try and get back into the league. He was a hero prior to that, but not after. Now he's a fraud. Despite not ever believing he was going to pan out as a starter, I respected the fact that he didn't complain about the beatings he took. Granted, he was never a film-room protige and was pretty-much known to be a guy that carried an aire of self-entitlement, but he did his job and kept quiet. My opinion of him as a person soured when he knew damned-well that he was injured when he signed with the Packers, then filed that grevience. The Browns knew he was injured as well, which is why they didn't let him back into the complex. They were right. So he screwed over the Packers. Some "hero."

Setting all that aside, I don't know any "hero's" that admitted to using HGH or steroids.

Beating a dead horse? Maybe, but I don't like seeing a douchebag idolized.