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So we should go back and revise history and define Vietnam protesters as having been Domestic Terrorists? That's an interesting take.

Once again it seems that Trump wants to bend the law and system to do his agenda and many are willing just to nod along.

You seem to be the one suggesting that. I didn't.

Anyway, you guys have at it. I'll bow out of this one because the conversation is lacking.

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Looking back and rereading Peen’s post, perhaps he thinks that I’m one who needs to go, but I can’t say that for sure.

With all the posting going on I missed your comment.

No, I don't think that.


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lol……per GOPer standards he was peacefully protesting and should be pardoned from any crime here.


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It's nice to see that you want this guy to have due process. Now, if we can only convince you and other MAGA types that it should apply to aliens, then we may have something here.


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It's nice to see that you want this guy to have due process. Now, if we can only convince you and other MAGA types that it should apply to aliens, then we may have something here.


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If you storm the capital, assault police officers and try to stop the certification of a presidential election it's compared to a tourist tour and a "day of love". Everyone will be pardoned. This guy keyed some Teslas and the same people that stayed silent about the Jan. 6th criminals being pardoned suddenly think a guy who keyed some cars deserves prison time.

It's such a waste of time trying to make any sense out of such hogwash.


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Originally Posted by Damanshot
It's nice to see that you want this guy to have due process. Now, if we can only convince you and other MAGA types that it should apply to aliens, then we may have something here.

Why do aliens get due process? They aren't legal citizens protected as legal citizens. Once it is established they aren't here legally, the only processing needed is to process them out of the country.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
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It's nice to see that you want this guy to have due process. Now, if we can only convince you and other MAGA types that it should apply to aliens, then we may have something here.

Why do aliens get due process? They aren't legal citizens protected as legal citizens. Once it is established they aren't here legally, the only processing needed is to process them out of the country.


Let's say that statement is true
How do you establish that someone isn't here legally?

I say you are not here legally, you say you are
Do you get deported on my word?


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Hell yeah. Ship his azz to el Salvador.... We don't need due process and I'll second you that he's here illegally.

Simple.


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The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution establish the right to due process — the Fifth Amendment says that “[n]o person shall … be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” The Fourteenth Amendment extends this obligation to the states.

“If due process applied only to citizens, or people who are here lawfully, yet at no point is there an opportunity to be heard or prove your case, how would a citizen prove they are a citizen prior to removal?”

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that there was a court order in place NOT to send him to one specific place, El Salvador and that's exactly where they sent him?

And how can you advocate sending people to a foreign prison with no criminal charges being filed and no due Process?

What it seems you are dong here is trying to act as though deportation and sending someone to a foreign prison based on accusations alone is the same thing. Well it's not.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
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It's nice to see that you want this guy to have due process. Now, if we can only convince you and other MAGA types that it should apply to aliens, then we may have something here.

Why do aliens get due process? They aren't legal citizens protected as legal citizens. Once it is established they aren't here legally, the only processing needed is to process them out of the country.

So I see that the MAGA bunch here are good with all of them being sold for $20,000 to a country not of their origin and put in a concentration (prison) camps. Is that right? Even the ones that have not been charged with any other crime? Really?


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It's nice to see that you want this guy to have due process. Now, if we can only convince you and other MAGA types that it should apply to aliens, then we may have something here.

Why do aliens get due process? They aren't legal citizens protected as legal citizens. Once it is established they aren't here legally, the only processing needed is to process them out of the country.


Let's say that statement is true
How do you establish that someone isn't here legally?

I say you are not here legally, you say you are
Do you get deported on my word?

I said i wasn't going to come back to this thread, but I did, so I need to at least reply to your questions.

My wording was poor in my last reply. They get due process, it not like "You are an illegal Jester, you are out of here".

This guy has been through two hearings. Both times it was established he was illegal.

We don't owe this "Maryland Man" the time of day. We sent him back to his own country. What is own country does to him is their business. His country determined he is a bad hombre and put him in prison. He probably ran from there to get away from them.

That's an issue his lawyers in El Salvador need to take up with the courts down there.

This isn't hard.

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We "sent him to a prison there and paid them to keep him there." El Salvador didn't put him there. There was an actual court order in place NOT TO SEND HIM THERE. When did a former legal official such as yourself determine that breaking a court order that is in place became okay?


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Illegal is as illegal does.


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They've sold so many of the very principals they used to stand for down the river to get what they want. It's no wonder you have people like 05 and even a guy like DC Dawg who used to post here which I'm friends with on FB that don't even recognize what their former party has turned into. It became so maddening they had to walk away.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
This guy has been through two hearings. Both times it was established he was illegal.

Once again, this is NOT true. If it were true, nobody would be arguing with you and nobody would know this guy's name.

The hearings you're talking about were bond hearings. They only decided that they would hold him w/o bond. The threshold for "guilty" in that hearing is not the same... the judge did NOT rule that he was here illegally, nor that he was a gang member, nor did the judge rule that he should be deported.

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This isn't hard

It shouldn't be, but willful ignorance can really complicate things sometimes.

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I don't know if it's comedic and hilarious or just tragic and sad. The same people and posters who went to Great length to explain the difference between a guilty lea and being found liable in a civil court of law when Trump was adjudicated to have raped someone now don't know the difference between a bond hearing and a court verdict.

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