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If convicted he should be held accountable by existing laws. But making up new laws to hand out harsher penalties than those already on the books is political. If he committed vandalism, try him for vandalism. If he committed arson, try him for arson. Don't call him a domestic terrorist for committing vandalism or any other crimes already on the books against a person or business you want to protect.

Anyone found guilty of committing a crime should be held accountable.

20K worth? Yea buddy needs a timeout. Doing way too much to everyday people’s property.

I mean damn you work for the freaking government. Destroy some federal property or something if you’re gonna do all that. But nah, everyday people - most who hate Elon like you and bought they Telsa’s before dude went crazy - now gotta deal with all the BS that comes with insurance claims etc. just cause you wanted to throw a hissy fit. A D** pic to Elon’s weekly update requirement would’ve been more effective than what he decided to do.

Yea he needs to pay 20k restitution and a 3-6 month timeout.

I’m one of the people who bought a Tesla before he went crazy and I also have to send in weekly updates.

For the love of all that is good stop giving me such brilliant ideas.

I agree, but we do that all over the board. Calling something domestic terrorism isn't different from calling something a hate crime. Both can be rather nebulous in both definition and application.

In this case, this is one person, in one act, but in the big picture this is one act in a targeted movement of actions, so it isn't hard to move all of these acts under the umbrella of domestic terrorism.

Do I agree? Maybe by 51% if that makes sense. I am just trying to explain how one action might be classified one way and a similar action might be classified another.

Hate crime - Yes. I can accept that. Terrorism? No. Not now, not ever and trying to justify it by whatever means even theoretically is a sloppery and dangerous slope.

almost ever job requires weekly updates

Would it make you feel better if it was called a hate crime? There are people out there who hate the opposite political party. There are people who hate the country. Hate isn't singularly directed at people.

Heck, I hate liver. It should be a crime to serve it in any form.

You must have forgotten what actual domestic terrorism looks like and yesterday was the 30th anniversary of such an act. You need to stop convincing yourself vandalizing Tesla dealerships compares to anything like domestic terrorism.......................

It's wild how some people still don't seem to understand the whole TeslaCam thing.

This clown is gonna do some time and should have a hefty bill to look forward to. Good luck getting a govt job (he should run for office now that he has a record).

Doesn't make me feel any better no. That's not what I said or inferred, the point of my pose which you seem to have missed is that calling it domestic terrorism is wrong.

I guess I can piggy back onto this thread-this is about the kid that did the FSU shooting-Don't know if anyone heard.

New records show suspected FSU shooter had troubling fascination with hate groups
Records obtained by the Anti-Defamation League and shared with USA TODAY show the suspected Florida State University gunman held a fascination with Hitler, Nazis and other hate groups.
Portrait of Michael LoriaMichael Loria
USA TODAY





The suspected gunman in an attack at Florida State University that killed two and injured six had a troubling fascination with Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany, according to screenshots of his online history captured by the Anti-Defamation League and shared with USA TODAY on Friday.

Suspect Phoenix Ikner used a drawing of Hitler with the word “Nein” in a thought bubble next to the infamous dictator as a profile photo for an online gaming account, analysts at the anti-hate group found. For the name of another account, the 20-year-old used “Schutzstaffel,” the name of the ruthless “SS” paramilitary group that started out as Hitler’s personal bodyguard, grew into death squads and ran the concentration camps where millions of Jews were murdered.


“Neither one means anything in particular but they’re part of the broader story,” Carla Hill, a senior director of investigative research at the anti-hate group’s Center on Extremism, said of Ikner’s apparent fascination with Nazis. “It gives us a little more insight into what he’s thinking about and curious about.”

The new revelations come just a day after the shooting that began when a gunman opened fire near the university’s student union at approximately 11:50 a.m., striking multiple people and sending students fleeing for cover.


Leon County Sheriff Walter A. McNeil said Ikner used a gun that belonged to his stepmother, a veteran Leon County sheriff deputy. Ikner was injured in the shooting and is expected to spend significant time in the hospital, according to Tallahassee Police Department Chief Lawrence Revell.

In the aftermath of the shooting on Thursday, people who knew Ikner said he had a history of espousing radical conspiracy theories and hateful ideas. The president of a student politics club said Ikner “espoused so much white supremacist rhetoric” that they booted him from the group.

The new records provided by the ADL show that the politics student adopted the terminology and imagery of white supremacists from Nazi Germany and the U.S.

Hill said a team of about 20 researchers at the anti-hate group combed through Ikner’s activity after he was named by police as the suspected shooter. The research director said the group’s investigators routinely analyze suspected mass shooters' online activities, aiming to uncover any extremist ideological leanings before online accounts are wiped.


Other troubling signs in the FSU case, according to the ADL, include internet searches of the terms “scientific racism” and “national confederate flag.” The ADL collected the screenshots showing the searches from Ikner's frequent livestreams.

Another account linked to Ikner used the symbol for Patriot Front, the leading White nationalist group in the U.S. that formed in the aftermath of the white supremacist rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia, that left a person dead, according to Hill.

The account bearing the group’s logo was named “Rebel,” records show. Hill said the group is the largest and most active White supremacist group in America today.

“It’s just concerning,” said Hill. “What we’re seeing – if in fact this individual has extremist views and it seems at the very least he was exposed to extremism – is the continued crossover between extremism and the glorification of violence that eventually leads to violence.”

Other mass shooter suspects adopted similar rhetoric
Fascination with extremist figures is by no means uncommon in certain circles. Many suspected and confirmed mass shooters show patterns of adopting White supremacist imagery online.


The gunman behind a shooting in January at Antioch High School in Nashville, Tennessee, that left one student dead before the 17-year-old turned the gun on himself, repeated Nazi, antisemitic screeds in his writings, according to the ADL. He used “88,” a White supremacist code meaning Heil Hitler, in screen names.

ADL researchers also found that the shooter behind an attack in December at a Madison, Wisconsin, high school that left two people dead and six wounded reposted White supremacist and antisemitic memes. The teen died of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound after the attack.

The 15-year-old’s account bio used the phrase “‘Totally normal day,’" wording often used by racist users to signify the abbreviation "TND," with T for "total," N for a racist slur and D for "death," the ADL researchers wrote in the report.

What did Ikner say in class?
Revelations around Ikner’s online profiles come after fellow students said he espoused extremist ideas in class.


“I got into arguments with him in class over how gross the things he said were,” Lucas Luzietti, a politics student who shared a class with Ikner, told USA TODAY.

According to the Florida native, Ikner touted right wing conspiracy theories and hateful ideas. Among them was a theory that President Joe Biden illegally came into office, “Rosa Parks was in the wrong” and Black people were ruining his neighborhood.

“I remember thinking this man should not have access to firearms,” Luzietti told USA TODAY. But, “what are you supposed to do?"

Reid Seybold, a former Tallahassee State College student who transferred to Florida State at the same time as Ikner, recalled how they crossed paths at their old school, according to NBC News.

Seybold said they belonged to a "political round table" club where the group eventually asked Ikner to leave over the hateful things he said.

"Basically our only rule was no Nazis — colloquially speaking — and he espoused so much white supremacist rhetoric, and far-right rhetoric as well, to the point where we had to exercise that rule," Seybold said.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ed-hate-nazi-symbols-online/83169602007/

To a central HR office that oversees millions?

Got a link?

Edit - forgot to add those go to an email box that kicks back responses because it’s full.

I won’t even go over how much this costs in terms of the time it takes up, but it’s not exactly “efficient.”

Dumb is dumb.

I haven't forgotten anything.

If you want to troll people, that's on you, but don't troll me.

Thanks.

Sorry my friend, your response points out the flaws and why things need to be cut back.

If things are unmanageable...well, you get the point.

I didn't see it as a troll post at all.

I saw it as a legitimate question, posed in a good-faith, back+forth debate.
If we are going to parse words about what 'domestic terrorism' actually means, it's only fair for debators to bring receipts of actual domestic terrorism in their rebuttals.

The fact that this particular poster backed you into a logical, factual, and actual corner doesn't mean that (s)he trolled you.
It just means that you got called out- in front of all of us.

It's happened to me.
It's happened to everyone who regularly posts in this forum.

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Don't be the resident Donald Trump here at DT, 'Peen.
Don't double-down on The Dumb. It's not a good look for you.
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Drag your Judge Brain out of retirement for a moment, and think about the basic tenets of 1A.
Then, consider measuring your responses to those who don't see things your way on a fansite message board.

Debate isn't trolling.
Bringing receipts isn't trolling.


You are only calling this 'trolling' because you have no convenient response to the challenge that's been laid at your feet.


You used to be better than this.
Lately? -not so much.

It's sad for me to see this.


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Nobody is trolling you. You want to make the crime of vandalism into domestic terrorism. That's ridiculous. If anything that concept alone is the trump administration trolling America and creating some crazy law to punish people committing vandalism to far more lengthy prison sentences for laws that are already on the books and you are supporting that. All to protect Musk's business.

Getting called out for nonsense isn't the same thing as being trolled. I'm not sure you understand what getting trolled means.

What he is trying to point out to you is that the person trump put in charge of managing things isn't capable of managing things. So is the fact that Musk is screwing up means things need to be cut back? Can you explain the logic in that?

This response makes absolutely no sense.

Yeah exactly. The thing that needs to be cut are the people trying to “scale things back” and making it far worse.

We now have to divert attention to sending five points to an inbox that doesn’t get read and often gets full and occasionally kicked back. To Peen that is somehow justification?

Makes no sense.

i agree. it's crazy that people are this dumb.

Peen is playing chess while the butt-hurt TDS sufferers are playing checkers...encouraging people to THINK rather than feel. Oh the horror.

Obviously the thinking part didn't sink in for you.

https://nypost.com/2025/04/22/us-ne...-to-teslas-let-off-by-woke-minnesota-da/

Minnesota state employee who allegedly caused over $20K in damages to Teslas is let off by woke DA — as cops slam deal


A progressive district attorney has declined to charge the state employee in Tim Walz-led Minnesota who was allegedly caught causing $20,000 damage by vandalizing half a dozen Teslas — a decision the local police chief ripped as the latest betrayal of victims.

The suspected vandal, 33-year-old Minnesota government employee Dylan Bryan Adams, was allegedly spotted keying the vehicles and stripping their paint off while out walking his dog around the city.

Despite what police believe to be evidence of Adams committing felonies, Hennepin County District Attorney Mary Moriarty will seek diversion rather than criminal charges.

“This is an approach taken in many property crime cases and helps to ensure the individual keeps their job and can pay restitution, as well as reducing the likelihood of repeat offenses,” the attorney’s office said in a statement, CBS News reported.

Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said at the time of the incident that the damage in each case was the equivalent of a felony.

The chief said in a scathing statement on Monday that Moriarty’s decision not to bring charges is frustrating for his officers and the public.

“The Minneapolis Police Department did its job. It identified and investigated a crime trend, identified, and arrested a suspect, and presented a case file to the Hennepin County Attorney Office for consideration of charges,” he told KARE in a statement.

“This case impacted at least six different victims and totaled over $20,000 in damages. Any frustration related to the charging decision of the Hennepin County Attorney should be directed solely at her office.

“Our investigators are always frustrated when the cases they poured their hearts into are declined. In my experience, the victims in these cases often feel the same,” O’Hara said in a statement.

Adams was arrested a month after Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said watching Tesla’s stock price plummet gave him “a little boost during the day” during a rally in Wisconsin.

Adams, who works for Minnesota’s Department of Human Services, is not a political appointee in Walz’s administration, a spokesperson for the governor said last week. He is one of more than 40,000 state employees, the rep added.

Moriarty has been Hennepin County’s top prosecutor since January 2023 after handedly winning the nonpartisan DA election, but the former public defender quickly came under fire for her woke policies that allowed accused rapists and killers to stay free.

A DA determines whether there is enough evidence to take a case to trial or not. As the article states, "Our investigators are always frustrated when the cases they poured their hearts into are declined"

But that's what happens when there isn't enough evidence that the DA thinks he can get a conviction. Maybe more evidence will come forth to the point the DA will feel he can make a case in the future. But I expected rather than to look at this from the way the law and DA's office actually works we would hear some political slant. And you didn't disappoint.

In case you missed it, "accused" doesn't mean guilty and without enough evidence to get a conviction cases do not move forward. No matter how much people scream about it.

That's BS.

1. TDS… Nobody even mentioned Trump on this thread before you said TDS.

2. Ok, let’s talk this out and think rather than feel. How is everything being implemented boosting “efficiency” or demonstrating things need to be cut back? SBD made a blanket and likely inaccurate statement that most places have to send in bullet points weekly. We send ours to an inbox that doesn’t get read and will kick things back when it gets full. Please, now let’s THINK rather than feel and talk about how this makes sense.

Looking back and rereading Peen’s post, perhaps he thinks that I’m one who needs to go, but I can’t say that for sure.

Do you mean BS in the sense that the person was let off or BS in the sense that the article is not accurate?

From everything I’m looking at, they should have been prosecuted.

The former.

Video evidence of crimes that supposedly rise to felony level. Seems like an easy day for a prosecutor.

video evidence is no longer enough?

Sorry you feel that way.

As I said, I haven't forgotten anything. I am not saying this is on the level of OKC, but things don't have to be OKC strong to be called domestic terrorism.

Tesla dealerships have been targeted in many locations. I don't consider throwing incendiary devices simple vandalism. Do you?

On the other end, I don't consider some jerk who keys a random car in a parking lot a terrorist.

Musk is a domestic terrorist. He’s ruined US lives and has helped cause homelessness nationwide while he terrorizes government workers daily.


Vandalism doesn’t = terrorism. Making up new laws to pander to Musk isn’t the answer.

So now arson is domestic terrorism too?

This DA was elected by the people of Hennepin County. This is who the voters wanted to do this job. From the article you posted not only is this case something you have a problem with but many of her decisions. It appears this is pretty much her standard sentence for such violations. Not harsher, not lesser. Whether you like it or not in this court that's the way such cases are generally adjudicated. If voters in her area don't like the way she handles such matters they always have the right to elect someone else to her position in the next election. That's how democracy works. Or at least how it's supposed to work.

If the feds feel it's domestic terrorism or a hate crime they can always press federal charges against Adams. Maybe at this point you shouldn't be upset by the decision by Moriarty but upset that the feds haven't stepped in to do what you consider "the right thing" in this case. It's certainly within their power to do so.

BTW- I thought I would let you know that Moriarty is LBGTQ to give you yet one more thing you can add to your list not to like about her.

You are incomprehensible.

I said by 1%, a point you seemed to have missed.

Depends how it is used. It can be any number of charged crimes, insurance fraud being the most common. Once it has escalated to the point it is targeted in one direction, by multiple people, I say yes, it can be deemed terrorism.

If I as an example decide to burn a cross in my yard, as demented as it might be, isn't illegal other than maybe violating any burn restrictions in your area. As i said in my first post, it can enter that nebulous area if it was intended to intimidate, but state of mind isn't something you can really prove.

If I start burning one in the black neighbor's yard, it brings a different charge. Any neighbors yard for that matter.

So yes, my friend, domestic terrorism doesn't start with blowing up a federal building as you unsuited I forgot about.

So we should go back and revise history and define Vietnam protesters as having been Domestic Terrorists? That's an interesting take.

Once again it seems that Trump wants to bend the law and system to do his agenda and many are willing just to nod along.