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Sorry you feel that way.

Honestly in a forum where there is a lot of inane crap said - what does your post even mean?

It means he's no more qualified to be a life coach because he's no less of being a loud-mouth @Dawgtalkers and no less guilty of flinging poo.

It's as if he's calling out people out for the same thing he does.

I guess. But he never claimed to be a life coach.

Neither did the person he was responding to. But I suppose that part doesn't matter to you. Maybe you consider it a rant so that part doesn't count.

I think its good to let people vent and rant and not pick on everything they say. That goes for you or OCD or Peen or Fate or whoever ... I can only speak for myself but ive said dumb stuff while venting.

So all it has to do is look like they're venting and they get a pass? You don't or can't see how that would get a response from those their rants are directed at? I think all of us have said dumb stauff when venting. How does that somehow mean we shouldn't be held accountable for what we posted?

We all have a right to our opinions so I'm not begrudging you yours. But it seems as though if someone attacks the other side in anger you feel they should not be called out by the very people they're attacking. That those people should just sit there and take it and shut the hell up. I don't begrudge you of your opinion but it's certainly a hard one for me to understand. My take is if you lack enough self control to hold your emotions in check when posting on social media those on the receiving end have every right to defend themselves and it's you who bear the responsibility for what you posted, not them. I think allowing someone to attack you and not standing up for yourself is a sign of weakness.

Yeah, I apologize. That was uncalled for. But I want to be clear. You questioning what I look at on the internet or how I should be spending my time, let alone questioning what I post on as message board that has Pit as a member, is uncalled for as well. It reeks as "holier than thou" in a climate that clearly has each side looking at the other like they've lost their marbles.

No hard feeling, I hope.

I didn't say I was. You invented that as a talking point so that you could move the goalposts to insulting someone for a conversation you weren't even involved in. It's despicable. And that's clearly evident when the person you're patting yourself on the back for sticking up for just told you to STHU.

The only difference between the two of us is you have become the "king of rants". And the funny part is you actually have mgh convinced that you only do it when you lose your cool. When we both know that's not true and it's totally intentional. And it's funny as hell that you use me as the excuse why nobody should ever call you out. But I'm not surprised by that.

I said you were no more qualified than the person you pointed the finger at.


I didn't say you claimed to be a qualified life coach. You are the one who is now making things up.


You mean just like you did between Peen and I just yesterday? Pot meet kettle.


As if you think I take orders from other posters? Maybe you really do need medication.

I lookie, Pitboy chops up an entire post try try to make a point that doesn't exist. Try harder, get your last word like a good dawgie.

You poor little man. When you can't address the points made you deflect and try to act like you won something. You are what you are and it's getting easier to seed by the day. I'm not the one who needs to try harder. Like I said, I don't take orders from other posters and every point I made was valid. That's why you are avoiding them like the plague. Now go back and crawl under your rock.

Oh, memories.

Clowns and sheep.

MAGA… derp.

None. Likewise I hope.

I was thinking overnight about this - and I think the issue I have with those memes and painting the randos as the face of the party (and Pdawg just hit on this in another thread) ... is that when the 'Left' wants to label an entire 'other' party as Nazi's, or supremicists - its a problem and not accurate. When the 'right' wants to say that the violent idiots that have sabotaged Teslas or hit interviewers in the street are representive of the entire 'other' party it is a problem and not accurate.

Are there Nazi's that support Trump? Yes. Are there people who have acted violently recently/now who voted for Biden/Harris (or would vote against Trump today if they could) - Yes. Are they the majority or the fringe? Undoubtedly the fringe.

Where it might get a little more less straight forward - you played some Dem politicians talking about protests or actions and who used really bad choices of words. I don't feel like any of them called for violence and I don't think any normal person would - but would one of the idiots from the fringe think otherwise? Possibly/maybe/probably.

The flip side of that would of course be Trump and the numerous times he's said something in a similar vein - from telling people at a rally he'd cover their legal expenses for hurting a protester, to more famously/recently Jan 6th. . . You might roll your eyes at Jan 6th - but then how can you then use these sound bites of Dem politicians using what I would think is lesser inflmatory talk in a calm interview - to what Trump said at a rally stoked with what you could discribe as an angry mob ... if you don't like that choice of words ... a highly emotionaly charged crowd of supporters who were there because Trump had told them the election had been stolen. A rally Planned to be there on the same day as the peaceful transfer of power was to take place. After months of lies and fake accusations of a stolen election. After pressurizing his VP to not carry out his constituitional duty. After having arranged (or more accurately - someone else arranged and Trump no-doubt denies all knowledge of) fake electors who stood ready to step in and deny Biden's legal and fairly won election.

To me they are different sides of the same coin - but I don't believe you think of Jan 6th in the same light as you do the interviews you posted. While to me when you add all those other circumstances surrounding Jan 6 - it seems much more sinister (and I am being kind - or non inflammatory with that choice of words because this isn't another Jan 6 discussion).

Another thought I had - we live in the safest of times generally/statistically speaking. But people's fear is hieghtened by the constant news and spamming of the bad things that happen through news and social media. And whether it's lunatics driving cars into rallys or teens getting stabbed at track meets (no I hadn't seen that story and no I don't watch ABC, CNN or MSNBC - and I have not caught up on the whole story and I am not making light of it by only mentioning it in passing) - but these stories are then weaponized by the media. Yes they both do it. Acting like Fox or Breitbart does it less than the left wing arms of the media would be another inaccuracy. . . . And sorry to be a blowhard but in one of those examples you had Trump try to downplay the issues. Trump did not say there are good people on both sides - as has been endlessly portrayed by the 'Left' - I went and read the transcript or saw the full footage and the context is out of place when the 'left' try to infer he is talking about the supremicists. But while that lie was peddeled and is still peddaled by the ignorant - what I feel (my opinion) like so often Trump did/does, he manages to pander to the fringe extremists by not condemning them outright. Remember when he denied knowing who David Duke was. Telling the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by (and then claiming he didn't know who they were). And whether he manages to placate them or acknowledge them ... what he has done is do it in such a way (or not if you disagree) to make them/encourage them to vote for him .... I don't think that makes Trump a Nazi. But his actions and what he says is discussion worthy.

Last thing I believe is worth remembering - there are literally human factories around the world posting and spamming social media with one express purpose, to create division. They do it through spreading lies, fake claims, exageration, and trying to make the extremes more front and center as if the 'other side' are unAmerican. Someone I heard recently talked about trojan horse politics - people (or SM posts) real issues but filled with lies and no solutions. I think that goes on a lot - we have a lot of people on here on the left who spam things I think of as BS and I don't pay them any attention (Mac posted the thing about the Australian Penguin Islands in the last 2 days - to me that's somethng you send to a friend via Whatapp and have a chuckle - it's not conducive to political discussion). Maybe I need to do the same when I see the same with posts trolling from the right.

And really really the last thing - sure if I tell you what to watch, when to watch it and how to watch it .... if we were sat in a bar over a pint you'd tell me to F right off and I'd smile and realize why you said it. So again, no hard feelings here.

** Edit - meant to mention the interview. No the woman didn't want to get hit or go to hospital. But she was 100% goading/trolling with her questions. You can disagree - her (and her husbands) entire agenda was to get a reaction and see someone spaz out and doing something dumb by continuously belittling their ansswers to questions. I don't know if it fits the definition of gaslighting fully - but she was absolutely baiting the person she was interviewing and she was doing it for clicks when she posted the interview on line. I'd love to see the ENTIRE interview and the entire way the interviewer responded to all the answers ... she mentions she interviewed the woman for 20 minutes. . . . . None of which excuses or dimishes the violence and the reaction. But to me it's relevant to the discussion.

And what would you say if I started posting up highlight reels of dumb stuff MAGA folks are doing?

We jump down people's throats in the Draft thread when people post highlight reels and say that's why we should draft said person. I don't see why this should be any different.

I would say it's Monday. j/k (but only joking because you said "I")

I don't know what you mean by "highlight reels". The initial post showed the woman that agreed to be interviewed and stood there answering questions until deciding she should assault the interviewer. That's emblematic of behavior being normalized and fomented by many on the left -- including politicians -- which I included videos of as well. And it's been that way for a while.

But the playbook reads, all of that is acceptable: because January 6th (^ Just read above, it's like a disease ^). I mostly post this stuff because many reading, but not necessarily posting, get to read the ensuing hypocrisy. I do it as a public service.

I also like to point out the hypocrisy of the media. Like the fact that a high school student was stabbed in the heart at a track meet and died. But he was white and the murderer was black, so no coverage. Wait, so we're clear -- NO COVERAGE. If the colors were reversed there would be ish on fire, rioting in the streets and posters here copy/pasting op-eds on how the KKK is making a comeback. That's not opinion, that's fact, and it's fact steeped in years of evidence. I post that stuff because half of the country never even sees it because if it doesn't fit the narrative it's swept under the rug.

Trying to base false conclusions based on another rando............

Meanwhile......

By highlight reels, I mean carefully cherry-picked clips spun to try to convince one side that anybody that disagrees with them is like THIS. Highlight reels of best plays over a year are not representative of a draft prospect, and neither are carefully clipped snippets of an interview representative of dems and/or libs.

Do you think Trump is an angel sent from God himself to deliver the USA from the evils of Satan aka Nancy Pelosi? Because according to that one clip from MSNBC (I would assume), that's you.


I'm not going to go back and forth with you on Jan6. Jan6 IS unacceptable... and like you, I also like to point out hypocrisy. I find it extremely hypocritical to pardon folks involved in an attempted coup and turn around label people domestic terrorists for dragging down his best buddy's stock price.

Does that excuse other people/things going on.... No. I just find it interesting where different admins choose to draw that line. I don't have the energy or the mental bandwidth to go hard in the paint on everything I disagree with. I don't find much value with pointing out my issues with our country's mainstream media. It's garbage.

Gaslighting or strawman arguments because NO-ONE SAID THAT. NEITHER IS ACCEPTABLE.

Guess I was wrong to make any effort, again sorry you seem to think this is a one side - 50% of the country issue.

I think you're starting to figure it out.

What's gaslighting or strawman?? I'm pointing out real events, they're called isolated. I then point out leaders all but calling for the same type of activity and it's a strawman?

And now you're a martyr? Going out of your way to "make an effort" that I ruined because I still have an opinion?

Guess you're right then -- it's definitely not worth the effort.

This is entirely 100% self explanitory. No one said what you just claimed. Thats it in a nutshell.

Keep it up!

On the one hand, I agree with you... this is the type of empty rhetoric (empty in that they're not backing anything up with action or solutions) that got them annihilated in the election.


https://www.project2025.observer/

On the other hand, they're making incredible progress on something Trump "had no knowledge of" and was "just a bunch of lefty fearmongering".

Ooookay. Strange segue, but yes, incredible progress. And to think -- not even 80 days in office.

I do struggle with the fact that Americans actually believe Donald J Trump needed, wanted or requested a think tank to hand him a playbook though. I guess if it makes some feel better and scream "Told you! Project 2025!!" I'd also argue that that, too, loses more votes, as most Americans agree with a large part of that playbook.

I guess if there's an actual conversation to be had -- what do you think Trump would be doing different if there were no "Project 2025"? Seems to me that 90% of what he's doing he's been pretty passionate about for over 30 years.

I can't open the link oober posted, so I will speak to one aspect, which I obviously know very well, and it would be the "bureaucrats" or federal employees.

I don't think that anyone is handing him a playbook or that he necessarily cares a lot about Project 2025. I would actually venture to say there is a lot about P2025 that he doesn't care about one way or the other, but I think those that he put into cabinet positions (Vought for instance) care about it deeply and see working in his administration as an opportunity to accomplish those tasks.

With us, for example, I obviously have worked under both of his administrations. The way we are being treated during this administration is completely night and day with the way we were treated in 1.0. Below is a Tweet that he sent out to us in 2019:



So, somehow we went from an executive championing a pay increase and paid parental leave, to discussing what a ripoff and pariah we are to tax payers.

I'm obviously speaking to something that is touched by my own world view, but that would be an example of how P2025 has seeped into the new admin. Again, not that it's Trump necessarily taking the playbook and owning it, but the new admin is a vessel for it to be run, with its actors and authors in positions of power.

One common GOP complaint about the first Trump administration was that it was not well organized at the start of 2017.

Project 2025 was intended to address that issue.

It has achieved its objective, for worse.

All of the people tied to project 2025 being a part of this administration, all of the policies being enacted that were outlined in project 2025, all of which was predicted to happen...................... It's all merely a long, extracted set of coincidences.

And according to FATE everyone should just shut the hell up about it. Same as it ever was.

It's a playbook he disavowed (his words, not mine) during the campaign.

People were losing their mind over the manifesto (I honestly don't know what to call it, so I'll be dramatic), and MAGA, up to and including Trump, said not to worry about it because it wasn't real/wasn't happening. Of course, that was patently false. Of course he knew what it was. People with close ties with him were littered throughout the author list.


Nobody feels better with dismantling entire departments with no real plan. As someone who takes issue with hypocrisy, I'm sure you understand the problem with saying "don't be ridiculous, that's not happening" and then turning around and cheering for that same thing happening, right?


I don't follow that last line at all. For a handful of issues, you only have to go back to his previous term to find him contradicting what he's doing now. As for the first line I just quoted... you're asking the wrong person to try to crawl into his mind. I was expecting more of the same from his previous term. He has many of the same tactics (ex. not getting along with traditional allies and cozying up to some (not all) of our adversaries, using chaos as a negotiating tactic). Taking his actions and trying to figure out the "good" tends to be what gets people riled up.

More truth. Seems you don’t like the truth. You are in the right party then.

Jc

You have to be a real chucklehead to support Project 2025, IMO. Anyone saying that most agree with most of it’s ideas is just licking the window. 60+ percent did not want to see that plan enacted pre-election. Only the far right was on board and 99% of them are incapable of understanding what it means for their own lives. If they did, they wouldn’t be losing their Snap and Medicaid. The best thing about being ignorant and incompetent is not knowing that you are.

worse yet, the Supreme court is going along with it. Trump is a "whatever suits my needs today" kinda president.. I swear, if he found out that the difference in an election was the people he fired, he's rehire them, win an election, fire them again.

Bill Maher is a deranged old man yelling get off my grass. Nobody on the left cares what he has to say any more and haven’t for about a decade now. FYI.

Whoah, whoah, whoah... did you say "deranged old man yelling get off my grass"? 🤣

Keep it up! You're doing great!

We know. And someday we’ll get all this scum out of our government.