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Did anyone else happen to see any of this interview last night-I saw a little bit of it but it is definitely getting airplay this morning


Musk eyes Social Security and benefit programs for cuts while claiming widespread fraud
Elon Musk flashes his t-shirt that reads "DOGE" to the media as he walks on South Lawn of the White House, in Washington, Sunday, March 9, 2025. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)


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WASHINGTON (AP) — Elon Musk pushed debunked theories about Social Security on Monday while describing federal benefit programs as rife with fraud, suggesting they will be a primary target in his crusade to reduce government spending.

The billionaire entrepreneur, who is advising President Donald Trump, suggested that $500 billion to $700 billion in waste needed to be cut.

“Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”

The comments on the popular program and other benefits provided to Americans could rattle politicians on both sides of the aisle as Musk works to downsize the federal government, especially as he already faces blowback for his chainsaw-wielding approach to laying off workers and slashing programs.

Musk’s estimate for the level of fraud in entitlements far outpaces figures from watchdogs like Social Security’s inspector general, who previously said there was $71.8 billion in improper payments from fiscal years 2015 through 2022. That’s less than 1% of benefits paid out during that time period.

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Musk also said there were “20 million people who are definitely dead marked as alive in the Social Security database.” However, the leader of the agency has rejected claims about widespread payments to dead people.


The interview with Fox Business was a reminder of Musk’s deep skepticism and even hostility toward the program, which provides monthly benefits to retirees and some children. Trump has promised to defend Social Security from cuts, but Musk has described it as “the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time,” and the administration is shutting down some of the agency’s offices.

Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.” The allegation echoed the “great replacement” theory, which claims that politicians are trying to expand their power by reshaping the country’s racial demographics.


The interview was conducted in the White House complex by Larry Kudlow, who served as an economic adviser to Trump during his first term. During the conversation, Musk seemed to acknowledge the unusual nature of his role in the administration.

“Frankly, I can’t believe I’m here doing this,” Musk said. “It’s kind of bizarre.”

Musk is the world’s richest person and still runs his private enterprises as he advises the president on ways to overhaul the federal government.

He also thanked Trump for his confidence, saying, “Without the president’s support, we couldn’t make any progress here.”

Trump has publicly backed Musk and given him extraordinary influence over the federal government. However, the Republican president has indicated a shift in approach, saying that Musk’s team would use a “scalpel” rather than a “hatchet.”

Musk has not often spoken publicly since joining the administration, preferring instead to present a stream of consciousness on X, his social media platform. On Monday, he accused Democrats of attacking Tesla dealerships; bragged about X being “the top source for news on Earth;” and accused Arizona Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly, a former fighter pilot and astronaut, of being a traitor for visiting Ukraine over the weekend.


Musk’s sitdown with Kudlow was his third interview since joining Trump’s administration, and he hasn’t strayed from his ideological safe space. He previously did a joint interview with the president and Sean Hannity of Fox News, and he sat down with Joe Rogan, a podcaster who endorsed Trump last year.

Republicans have spent decades trying to reduce the size and scope of the federal government, and many have cheered Musk’s work.

“The American people are sick of the swamp. They’re sick of waste, fraud and abuse,” said Rep. Richard Hudson of North Carolina, who leads the National Republican Congressional Committee. “For the first time ever, we finally have the tools to affect it. So I think the voters are going to reward us.”



But there are signs of backlash and skepticism. Some Republicans have even boasted of blocking budget cuts.

Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole issued a statement saying three federal offices in his state — the National Weather Center in Norman, the Social Security Administration Office in Lawton and the Indian Health Services Office in Oklahoma City — would stay open.

“I am thrilled to announce that common sense has prevailed,” he said. Cole added that “all three of these places provide vital and valuable services to Oklahomans and I am so proud to have advocated for them.”

About half of Americans said it’s “a bad thing” that Trump has given Musk a prominent role in his administration, according to a mid-February CNN/SSRS poll. Only a third saw it as “a good thing.”

Another mid-February survey by The Washington Post and Ipsos found that Americans were divided on whether Musk is mainly cutting wasteful spending or necessary programs, with about a third falling into each camp. Another quarter said they weren’t sure.

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Why can't this go in the Musk thread?


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The problem with all the allegations of fraud and whatnot is that there hasn't been any specific accusations or indictments or even really investigations. All this rampant fraud, but nobody is actually responsible for it?


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Haven't you heard? All the fraud for the past 50 years is by the biden crime family


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Rapant fraudlent voting cost Trump the previous election. He said so. But of course the actual people found and prosecuted for voter fraud were more commonly Republicans.

Mass fraud claimed by DOGE - and of course ... no actual evidence.

This isn't hard. Outrageous claims - no evidence. But it sticks and the Trumptards lap it all up. Yum yum yum.

Hey did you know Biden personally aauthorized $50m for condoms to Gaza? That's freaking true. It's a fact. The White House said so and you can bet your entire net worth there are millions of Trumptards that honestly believe that.

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Originally Posted by dawglover05
The problem with all the allegations of fraud and whatnot is that there hasn't been any specific accusations or indictments or even really investigations. All this rampant fraud, but nobody is actually responsible for it?

I'm assuming he actually means waste when he says fraud.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Why can't this go in the Musk thread?


that's the only response you have to this?


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
The problem with all the allegations of fraud and whatnot is that there hasn't been any specific accusations or indictments or even really investigations. All this rampant fraud, but nobody is actually responsible for it?

I'm assuming he actually means waste when he says fraud.


So you think he knows the difference between waste and fraud but is purposefully using fraud to be misleading?
Or do you think he is too stupid to know the difference between the 2 words?


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I don't think anyone involved is actually stupid. I think they don't put a whole lot of thought into what they say, but they aren't necessarily stupid.


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I was going to ask the exact same question, I don't see how the two words are even remotely similar in meaning. I believe that when musk says fraud he believes or he wants other people to believe there is fraud even though no proof has been supplied. I believe the choice of words is very deliberate.

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So what! So they're coming after my social security! So what if they'll be coming after my medicare! Both parties are the same and it doesn't make any difference!


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
I don't think anyone involved is actually stupid. I think they don't put a whole lot of thought into what they say, but they aren't necessarily stupid.

They've gotten away with saying anything they want and still get blind support from their voters so they have no reason to keep what used to be the quiet part quiet anymore.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Why can't this go in the Musk thread?

Cause this matters to lots of people and it deserved its own thread

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Doge takeover of social security seemed ‘based on myth’, says ex-senior official
Tiffany Flick claims agents from Elon Musk’s government cost-cutting unit assailed staff with questions about fraud

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Mon 10 Mar 2025 10.42 EDT
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A former chief of staff at the US Social Security Administration (SSA) described how agents of the so-called “department of government efficiency” (Doge) – Elon Musk’s government cost-cutting operation – were imposed on the agency, assailing senior staff with questions “based on the general myth of supposed widespread fraud” and acting with dangerous disregard for data confidentiality.

In a declaration filed with a lawsuit on Friday and referring to the Doge agents Mike Russo and Akash Bobba, Tiffany Flick said: “We proposed briefings to help Mr Russo and Mr Bobba understand the many measures the agency takes to help ensure the accuracy of benefit payments, including those measures that help ensure we are not paying benefits to deceased individuals.


“However, Mr Russo seemed completely focused on questions … based on the general myth of supposed widespread social security fraud, rather than facts.”

Flick also said she was “not confident” Doge agents had “the requisite knowledge and training to prevent sensitive information from being inadvertently transferred to bad actors”, given its agents have “never been vetted by SSA or trained on SSA data, systems or programs”.

“In such a chaotic environment, the risk of data leaking into the wrong hands is significant,” Flick said.

Russo is now the SSA’s chief information officer. And Bobba is one of a number of young aides to Musk whose work for Doge – imposing staff as well as budget cuts – has proved hugely controversial.



Flick became acting chief of staff to the acting social security commissioner, Michelle King, on 20 January, the day Trump was inaugurated for his second presidency. On 16 February, the White House named as acting commissioner Leland Dudek, a mid-level SSA data analyst who had been on leave and was suspected of passing information to Doge.


According to the Washington Post, Dudek has since told senior staff he is not really in charge, saying: “Doge people are learning and they will make mistakes, but we have to let them see what is going on at SSA. I am relying on longtime career people to inform my work, but I am receiving decisions that are made without my input. I have to effectuate those decisions.”

Flick worked for the SSA for 30 years but retired the day Dudek was appointed. Her declaration was given under oath. The lawsuit was brought by Democracy Forward, a group representing “a coalition of unions and retirees” seeking “to halt [Doge’s] unprecedented, unlawful seizure of personal, confidential, private, and sensitive data regarding millions of Americans across the country from the SSA, in violation of the law”.

Flick described confrontations with Doge including over a formal swearing-in for Bobba, necessary given the “highly sensitive” nature of SSA systems and data – but which, after “challenges with Mr Bobba’s background check”, had to be carried out over the phone, “contrary to standard practice” and at “around 9pm” on 10 February.

Russo, Flick said, “never fully disclosed … what information Doge wanted and issues it needed to address, but my understanding is that it was related to fraud.

“The information Doge sought seemed to fall into three categories: 1) untrue allegations regarding benefit payments to deceased people of advanced age; 2) concern regarding single social security numbers receiving multiple benefits (which is normal when multiple family members receive benefits through one wage-earner); and 3) payments made to people without a social security number.

“I considered each of these concerns to be invalid and based on an inaccurate understanding of SSA’s data and programs.




“As to the first, SSA’s benefits’ file contradicts any claim that payments are made to deceased people as old as 150 years. As to the second, Doge seemed to misunderstand the fact that benefits payments to spouses and dependents will be based on the social security number of a single worker. As to the third, we were simply never given enough information to understand the source of the concern but had never encountered anything to suggest that inappropriate benefit payments were being made to people without a social security number.”


Musk has repeatedly made inaccurate claims about social security fraud, including about supposed 150-year-old recipients, and has called the program “the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time”.

In response, one Democratic US senator, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, said: “Social security is not a Ponzi scheme. It is an effective lifeline that helps seniors avoid destitution. It is a sound insurance program that works for wage earners who pay into the system while they are working, and when they reach retirement age they get benefits.”

Reporting Flick’s declaration, the Post said: “Russo hung up on a reporter who called seeking comment” while Bobba and SSA officials did not comment. Advocates continue to sound the alarm.

The president of Democracy Forward, Skye Perryman, said: “Americans should be able to trust the government to protect their confidential data and yet – again – the Trump administration has shown a blatant disregard for the law and its obligations to the American people by granting unprecedented levels of access to unappointed and unvetted individuals.

“On behalf of retirees and worker representatives, we urge the court to block the Trump administration’s unlawful attempt to access the private data of hundreds of millions of Americans across the country.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/10/elon-musk-doge-social-security

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I'm sure MAGA is fine with Musk having access to their Social Security personal information.


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The Dow ONLY dropped 474 today…. Things are looking up…. 4D chess….

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